19 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I would advice you to read my posts always carefully.

I didn't write a Thai man was involved, but you stated it right this man "appeared" to be a fellow tourists. It's not said he was a fellow tourists. So stop insinuating.

Sitting in a bar drinking water seems to be unlikely, especially in holidays being a Brit. This is not meant as a discrimination but experience.

You stated, verbatim:

 

"Being drunk and have a heated conversation with another (Thai) man. Stupid"

 

Having a drink in a bar does not mean one is necessarily drunk.

 

Doubtful the other man would be described as appearing ot be another tourist is he looked Thai.

 

Labeling the deceased's actions  "stupid" is not supported by facts at this time. Also rather insensitive.

Thai police pathologists are likely to hand over the body with all internal organs removed and dumped somewhere to prevent a proper autopsy overseas.  This has happened before when families went to some expense to repatriate bodies.

4 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

You stated, verbatim:

 

"Being drunk and have a heated conversation with another (Thai) man. Stupid"

 

Having a drink in a bar does not mean one is necessarily drunk.

 

Doubtful the other man would be described as appearing ot be another tourist is he looked Thai.

 

Labeling the deceased's actions  "stupid" is not supported by facts at this time. Also rather insensitive.

This incident happened in the "early hours of 3. January.

A heated conversation over a glass of water? 

And the other man was drinking only water too?

That's obviously what tourists do in early hours?

Don't tell me nonsense. 

Next you'll tell me it's a good thing for fundraising instead provide a travel insurance? No, I think you won't.

 

Bar staff will/should be able to assist with identity of other man! He needs to be spoken too regardless.

I hope the family are satisfied with the outcome. 

1 hour ago, Mark989 said:

“The Thai authorities have said it was drowning"

What do they base that conclusion on?

 

It's not that big a stretch to assume that they have seen enough drownings to know what they look like. No bruises, obvious injuries, or struggle would tend to support that. OR, maybe they meant that it was a likely drowning, pending a thorough autopsy. 

Bit of a strange one a fit young man drowning but its not the first and certainly not the last, police assumed drowned as obviously no injuries to suggest other wise, Patong beach is always busy day and night and sure some one would have seen some sort of altercation if foul play.

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Water in the lungs???

it is then important to know whether he could swim

52 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Did you read the story?

Why was he being chased?

Strong likelihood that he was assaulted.

 

Did you read the story, 'being followed' doesn't mean 'chased'

 

If assaulted, then their would be indications of that on his body.   It's the naked part that implies ... a skinny dip oops.

 

29 minutes ago, DualSportBiker said:

Where does it say he had no insurance? Nowhere - you dragged the thought out of a dark dank place. There are multiple levels of insurance and only a few ever buy the 'repatriate my dead body' option - especially at 28 years old. 

 

Do everyone a favour and keep your assumptions to yourself.

 

If insured, as responsible people do, would that not pay for transport back home ?  Along with a 3 month holiday, implies, he and or family, can afford the 15k they asking others to pay for.

 

Instead of sis & dad flying over and staying here, as that might have paid for the 15k alone.  It is high season, and not cheap this time of year.   Nobody needs to be here, he's dead.

48 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Yes I did, it was the 'passionate' bit, normally that's with a female.

 

   *Passionate means* : " showing or caused by strong feelings or a strong belief."

7 minutes ago, Dont confuse me said:

Bar staff will/should be able to assist with identity of other man!

 

Do they know him ?

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

That is saying all. 

Being drunk and have a heated conversation with another (Thai) man. Stupid

It said muscly tourist, not Thai. Why the need to bring that up? 

43 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I would advice you to read my posts always carefully.

I didn't write a Thai man was involved, but you stated it right this man "appeared" to be a fellow tourists. It's not said he was a fellow tourists. So stop insinuating.

Sitting in a bar drinking water seems to be unlikely, especially in holidays being a Brit. This is not meant as a discrimination but experience.

you did mention it as an option unlike any other nationality.

19 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Thai police pathologists are likely to hand over the body with all internal organs removed and dumped somewhere to prevent a proper autopsy overseas.  This has happened before when families went to some expense to repatriate bodies.

In that case, it would be better if the Pathologist comes to Thailand, but again that will probably not be allowed.

25 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Fundraising again???

Again No insurance??

 

In 25 years of traveling to and working in Asia, I have filed about half a dozen claims under travel insurance.  So far, they're at 100% in denying the claims for something down in the fine print.  Usually on about the 43rd page.  So I'm not a big believer in travel insurance.  Even so, I usually tick that box, hoping that someday I'll be proven wrong.  I don't hold out much hope of that, especially if the claim is a whopper.

 

I guess you've never sent flowers to a funeral home, or brought a covered dish to a memorial service.  It's a way to share the grief and show some humanity and compassion and support for the family.  If interweb fundraisers were available back then, I'd have donated cash in addition.  It's a lot more useful, and generally less expensive than sending flowers.  If you don't want to donate, fine.  But don't demean those of us who do.

 

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

That is saying all. 

Being drunk and have a heated conversation with another (Thai) man. Stupid

 

   You stated that he was drunk , there's no evidence to make that assessment .

   The article also states that the other person was a foreigner and not a Thai . 

   Even if he had a few beers , which the article doesn't say he did , then that wouldn't men that he was drunk .

   He could have been in the bar watching football and not even drinking alcohol 

10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

It said muscly tourist, not Thai. Why the need to bring that up? 

I thought the word is muscular referring to someone's physic?

25 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

It said muscly tourist, not Thai. Why the need to bring that up? 

I didn't say he was Thai. Why do you that?

24 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

you did mention it as an option unlike any other nationality.

An option! Do you really know what it means? I doubt it

22 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

In 25 years of traveling to and working in Asia, I have filed about half a dozen claims under travel insurance.  So far, they're at 100% in denying the claims for something down in the fine print.  Usually on about the 43rd page.  So I'm not a big believer in travel insurance.  Even so, I usually tick that box, hoping that someday I'll be proven wrong.  I don't hold out much hope of that, especially if the claim is a whopper.

 

I guess you've never sent flowers to a funeral home, or brought a covered dish to a memorial service.  It's a way to share the grief and show some humanity and compassion and support for the family.  If interweb fundraisers were available back then, I'd have donated cash in addition.  It's a lot more useful, and generally less expensive than sending flowers.  If you don't want to donate, fine.  But don't demean those of us who do.

 

Sorry, that you got not so good experience with trave insurances. Sometimes or always it will be advised to read the small print and exclusions.

I'm travelling a bit longer than you, never without a proper insurance. At least once they paid, when a family member died in Asia 

Most Farangs Ive seen on their own, sitting in a Bar in  Phuket or Koh Samui are usually slightly Tippsie to say it nicely, but for some <deleted> to insinuate that because the poor guy was English he will have been pissed is totally unacceptable,

there is some very shady circumstantial things going on there, that needs looking into, suicide,! Ridiculous, the other burly tourist (Gay possibly) who knows, Proper Detectives needed, Thai authorities, too much like hard work for them, simple drowning saves them an investigation. TYPICAL

 

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

I would advice you to read my posts always carefully.

I didn't write a Thai man was involved, but you stated it right this man "appeared" to be a fellow tourists. It's not said he was a fellow tourists. So stop insinuating.

Sitting in a bar drinking water seems to be unlikely, especially in holidays being a Brit. This is not meant as a discrimination but experience.

You have only made your case weaker by these prejudiced comments about "Brits". Personal experience doesn't qualify as generalisations!

With all the foreigners dying in Thailand lately, often violently, it seems, is it just due to larger visitor numbers or is the place becoming even more dangerous than it was?

2 hours ago, Mark989 said:

“The Thai authorities have said it was drowning"

What do they base that conclusion on?

 

At a guess, probably because He was found dead, floating in the water.

a. He seems to have had good taste in food, just judging by his last meal in the OP.

 

b. We need to check his phone for evidence, and also security cams.

 

c.  He does not look like the type who would drown.

 

d.  Why go sprinting toward the beach, and then be followed 15 seconds later by the same tourist with whom he had had an argument or disagreement, moments before in a bar?

 

e.  Never drink and swim, especially at night.

 

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That is saying all. 

Being drunk and have a heated conversation with another (Thai) man. Stupid

 

"CCTV footage reveals Kelly in an intense discussion with a man who appeared to be a fellow tourist"

4 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Nice to repeat what I read. I can confirm being able to read, write and understand and having common sense.

 

Thanks for confirming, as it is far from obvious!

Lovers quarreling... The world may never know

A troll post which is just deflecting the topic into bickering and all replies have been removed.

2 hours ago, PomPolo said:

I totally agree with this, however I think some of the posts are more about being skeptical how the incident will be dealt with by the authorities rather than being hateful.  It is a terrible thing when anyone dies especially that far away from home and their relatives have to deal with the loss.

I strongly agree. Thank you. I lost a family member years ago in Asia. (Not in connection with bar going). I know what loss means.

Even there was a travel insurance which paid the personal grievance knocks you down.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

In 25 years of traveling to and working in Asia, I have filed about half a dozen claims under travel insurance.  So far, they're at 100% in denying the claims for something down in the fine print.  Usually on about the 43rd page.  So I'm not a big believer in travel insurance.  Even so, I usually tick that box, hoping that someday I'll be proven wrong.  I don't hold out much hope of that, especially if the claim is a whopper.

 

I guess you've never sent flowers to a funeral home, or brought a covered dish to a memorial service.  It's a way to share the grief and show some humanity and compassion and support for the family.  If interweb fundraisers were available back then, I'd have donated cash in addition.  It's a lot more useful, and generally less expensive than sending flowers.  If you don't want to donate, fine.  But don't demean those of us who do.

 

A lot of assumptions and insinuations. All wrong.