If you don't learn from history, you are destined to repeat it. This is all just the Munich Agreement, Trump edition.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement#:~:text=With tension high between the,Sudeten Germans expelled by Czechoslovakia.

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Zelensky was a comedian , wasn't he? 

yes,  you are correct. 

 

7 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

This is Biden's war costing US and EU taxpayers a fortune . Trump just wants to end it, Zelensky wants to keep it going to keep the money  rolling in.

I don't think Zelensky really wants the war to keep going, it's just he's stuck between a rock and a hard place,   why should he give up 50% of Ukraine rare earth minerals,  why should he relent to the cession of land to Russia, Russia invaded Ukraine remember, Russia started the war remember,  Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear arsenals for guaranteed security which didn't happen.   

There was a time when America would pay any price or bear any burden in the name of freedom.

 

No more. Americans have become xenophobic, racist, isolationist, and fearful. Your leader has played on your basest instincts.

 

The path to betraying Ukraine is already set. Peace talks without Ukraine, with concessions already made.

 

No ally will trust you. Cower behind your tariff walls, and watch your standard of living decline.

 

You have become a nation of gutless cowards. The rest of the democratic world has nothing but contempt for you.

 

You will become slaves. You just don't realize it yet.

 

 

12 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I don't think Zelensky really wants the war to keep going, it's just he's stuck between a rock and a hard place,   why should he give up 50% of Ukraine rare earth minerals,  why should he relent to the cession of land to Russia, Russia invaded Ukraine remember, Russia started the war remember,  Ukraine gave up it's Nuclear arsenals for guaranteed security which didn't happen.   

Valid points but the thing is he's losing the war and it's simply not rational to think this can be reversed without massive support from the US, EU and NATO and this isn't going to happen.

49 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The hatred for your own country is sickening. 

You may need to see a doctor about those fantasy delusions. Just because someone points out what a POS Trump is does not mean they hate the USA . Quite the opposite. It means they are still capable of differentiating right and wrong, good and bad, truth and lies. 

 

You may want to take a good hard look at your character and moral compass. 

 

A fool is someone that knows the truth, sees the evidence of the facts, but still believes the lies.

Trump is an opportunistic liar, he does not have a genuine bone in his body and he tends to abandon allies and coddle dictators and serial killers. That's just who is and what he does.

 

None of this should surprise us anymore, however he does continue to surprise and amaze with his ignorance and failings. He will pay the price for this and so will his supporters, it's just a matter of. 

 

Unfortunately the US is going to pay an enormous price for his policies and his other recklessness. 

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You may need to see a doctor about those fantasy delusions. Just because someone points out what a POS Trump is does not mean they hate the USA . Quite the opposite. It means they are still capable of differentiating right and wrong, good and bad, truth and lies. 

 

You may want to take a good hard look at your character and moral compass. 

 

A fool is someone that knows the truth, sees the evidence of the facts, but still believes the lies.

You were at one with Tug, Im sure, when he was viciously spewing hate at Trump supporters before the election. The policies he therefore supports are harmful to our country, He hates America. He supports stealing our tax dollars to promote Socialism. He supports Hamas. He supports racism and censorship.  No need to say more.

 

My character: We the People of the United States, et. seq. I am an American and won lifes lottery. I like free speech, good books, weed, money, Nascar, rule of law, Soccer, ancient history and machine guns. All men are created equal, but the afterward can differ.

 

 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is an opportunistic liar, he does not have a genuine bone in his body and he tends to abandon allies and coddle dictators and serial killers. That's just who is and what he does.

 

None of this should surprise us anymore, however he does continue to surprise and amaze with his ignorance and failings. He will pay the price for this and so will his supporters, it's just a matter of. 

 

Unfortunately the US is going to pay an enormous price for his policies and his other recklessness. 

You cant recite any real facts to support your tendless, copied and pasted, rote, America hating, Trump deranged posts. You just post the same mantra over and over, like a toddler chanting some mnemonic formulae to chase the monsters out from under his bed.

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You were at one with Tug, Im sure, when he was viciously spewing hate at Trump supporters before the election. The policies he therefore supports are harmful to our country, He hates America. He supports stealing our tax dollars to promote Socialism. He supports Hamas. He supports racism and censorship.  No need to say more.

 

My character: We the People of the United States, et. seq. I am an American and won lifes lottery. I like free speech, good books, weed, money, Nascar, rule of law, Soccer, ancient history and machine guns. All men are created equal, but the afterward can differ.

 

 

Thats a load of nonsensical bs like usual. Go back to sleep now seems you need it

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There was a time when America would pay any price or bear any burden in the name of freedom.

 

No more. Americans have become xenophobic, racist, isolationist, and fearful. Your leader has played on your basest instincts.

 

The path to betraying Ukraine is already set. Peace talks without Ukraine, with concessions already made.

 

No ally will trust you. Cower behind your tariff walls, and watch your standard of living decline.

 

You have become a nation of gutless cowards. The rest of the democratic world has nothing but contempt for you.

 

You will become slaves. You just don't realize it yet.

 

 

Cowards? Says a guy on a computer who never fought in any war. Most Americans are sick of funding wars or Americans dying overseas.

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is an opportunistic liar, he does not have a genuine bone in his body and he tends to abandon allies and coddle dictators and serial killers. That's just who is and what he does.

 

None of this should surprise us anymore, however he does continue to surprise and amaze with his ignorance and failings. He will pay the price for this and so will his supporters, it's just a matter of. 

 

Unfortunately the US is going to pay an enormous price for his policies and his other recklessness. 

Ukraine is not an Allie. 

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You cant recite any real facts to support your tendless, copied and pasted, rote, America hating, Trump deranged posts. You just post the same mantra over and over, like a toddler chanting some mnemonic formulae to chase the monsters out from under his bed.

Seems your describing yourself with that post. 

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Valid points but the thing is he's losing the war and it's simply not rational to think this can be reversed without massive support from the US, EU and NATO and this isn't going to happen.

 

Unfortunately, I think that you are correct.

 

However, to answer your previous question, 'How could this war have been brought to an end?'. Imo not like this. The exclusion of Ukraine - and to a lesser extent, Europe - from these preliminary talks stinks of a bi-lateral Russia/US carve-up. Russia gets a land grab and the US gets economic concessions e.g. access to Rare Elements. Ukraine gets ..well, what exactly? And Europe gets to foot the bill for policing the arrangement.

 

Imo what should of happened - but almost certainly won't - is for Trump to have said: "Call a ceasefire, freeze the existing terrorital positions. However, this does not mean that these positions are the starting point for negotiations. If you (Putin) do not agree to these conditions, we will put boots on the ground. If you (Zelensky) do not agree, we will withdraw military aid". 

 

I recognise that that this is a high-risk strategy both in terms of possible military escalation if Putin refuses, and also domestically for Trump from a political perspective, but imo it offers the possibility of a much better outcome for Ukraine than the current carpitulation.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You cant recite any real facts to support your tendless, copied and pasted, rote, America hating, Trump deranged posts. You just post the same mantra over and over, like a toddler chanting some mnemonic formulae to chase the monsters out from under his bed.

These people are not regular farangs.

1 hour ago, The Old Bull said:

This is Biden's war costing US and EU taxpayers a fortune . Trump just wants to end it, Zelensky wants to keep it going to keep the money  rolling in.

Yes Ukraine crooks all getting rich.

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Ukraine is not an Allie. 

Yes they are an ally not allie since 1991 following its independence from the Soviet Union and the establishment of diplomatic relation between the 2 countries. 

13 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Cowards? Says a guy on a computer who never fought in any war. Most Americans are sick of funding wars or Americans dying overseas.

Which Americans are fighting and dying in Russia’s war of invasion against Ukraine?

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Yes they are an ally not allie since 1991 following its independence from the Soviet Union and the establishment of diplomatic relation between the 2 countries. 

Diplomatic relationship not a formal war ally.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yes Ukraine crooks all getting rich.

And we pay for it. We have been paying for all of their antics since 1917.

 

The free ride is over.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Do you have any idea what's happening in the Russian economy?

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which Americans are fighting and dying in Russia’s war of invasion against Ukraine?

I never said they were.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Do you have any idea what's happening in the Russian economy?

 

 

The complete switch of the Republicans and rightwing on both sides of the Atlantic to supporting Russia, the aggressor in this war, needs explanation.

 

 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The complete switch of the Republicans and rightwing on both sides of the Atlantic to supporting Russia, the aggressor in this war, needs explanation.

 

 

 

Democrats being pro war wongers needs to be explained.

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Diplomatic relationship not a formal war ally.

 Back at you.

 

Who said ‘war ally’’?

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Back at you.

 

Who said ‘war ally’’?

 

 

Why are you a war monger?

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Democrats being pro war wongers needs to be explained.

The war monger is Putin, it is Putin who ordered the war of invasion.

 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The war monger is Putin, it is Putin who ordered the war of invasion.

 

 

And Democrats funding the war.

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You were at one with Tug, Im sure, when he was viciously spewing hate at Trump supporters before the election. The policies he therefore supports are harmful to our country, He hates America. He supports stealing our tax dollars to promote Socialism. He supports Hamas. He supports racism and censorship.  No need to say more.

 

My character: We the People of the United States, et. seq. I am an American and won lifes lottery. I like free speech, good books, weed, money, Nascar, rule of law, Soccer, ancient history and machine guns. All men are created equal, but the afterward can differ.

 

 

You hate socialism?

What a joke you are!

https://mccollum.house.gov/press-release/mccollum-offers-amendment-cut-millions-dollars-wasteful-pentagon-spending-eliminating