Just now, Yagoda said:

The DEA confirmed it.

 

Ok. Seems many don't know. 

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Sorry, but I don't believe trump is referring to the black MS13, letters,  those are clearly highlighting what the actually tattoos mean.

 

Correct.

 

In the interview, Trump repeatedly (3x) referenced MS13 on his knuckles.   Not on his fingers.

 

Trump knows the difference between knuckles and fingers.  Knuckles are for punchin', fingers are for grabbin'.

I do not understand why these Whinners are even talking about this! He is a MS-13 gang member-"PERIOD!"

9 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

The tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia's knuckles—a marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—do not definitively indicate MS-13 membership,

 

Marijuana

Amused

Godly

Angel of death

 

What can you say?  The guy's a Luddite.  The 'shopped in MS13 is the subtitle.
 

47 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Like the appropriate and reasonable way democrats imported them all? Oh? Now we need rules and protocol?

Jog on.

Don't believe in rule of law. Rude too. Classic Trump fan. 

50 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

No, he din't.  Terry, the reporter, said the interpretations "M-S-1-3" were photoshopped.  He said there were tattoos that could be interpreted as meaning MS13.  He said the interpretations were not on his hand in El Salvador, only the tattoos.

 

 

Here's a quick transcription of the entire clip for your edification.

 

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Trump:  "He said he wasn't a member of a gang, and then they looked and on his knuckles he had 'MS13'"

 

Reporter:  "There's a dispute on that."

 

Trump:  "Wait a minute, wait a minute.  He had MS13 on his knuckles."

 

Reporter:  "Well [garbled] he had some tattoos that were interpreted that way.  But, let's move on...."

 

Trump:  "Wait a minute...Hey, Terry, Terry, Terry...."

 

Reporter:  "He didn't have the letters M-S-1-3..."

 

Trump:  "It says M-S-1-3."

 

Reporter:  "That was photoshopped,.....so lemme...."

 

Trump:  "That was photoshopped?  Terry, he had.....Hey, they're givin' you the big break of a lifetime, you know, you're doin' the interview.  I picked you, because frankly, I never heard of you, but that's okay."

 

Reporter:  [garbled]

 

Trump:  "Terry, but you're not being very nice.  He had MS13 tattooed...

 

Reporter:  "We'll agree to disagree.  I want to move on to something else."

 

Trump:  "Terry, Terry.....do you want me to show you the picture?"

 

Reporter:  "I saw the picture, we'll agree to disagree."

 

Trump:  "And you think it was photoshopped?"

 

Reporter:  "Here we go, here we go...."

 

Trump:  "Don't photoshop it.  Go look at his hand.  He had MS13...."

 

Reporter:  "He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way.  I'm not an expert on that.  I want to turn to Ukraine...."

 

Trump:  "No, no, Terry, no, no....no, no....He had M-S as clear as you can be, not interpreted.  This is why people no longer believe....the news, because it's fake news.

 

Reporter:  "Well...........When he was photographed in El Salvador they aren't there,   But let's just go on."

 

Trump:  "He...is...there....oh, they weren't there then, but they're there now, right?"

 

Reporter:  "No............But they're in your picture.  Ukraine, sir..."

 

Trump:  "Terry, he's got MS13 on his knuckles.

 

Reporter:  "All right"

 

Trump:  "Okay..."

 

Reporter:  "We'll take a look..."

 

Trump:  "It's...you do such a disservice..."

 

Reporter:  "We'll take a look at that, sir."

 

Trump:  "Why don't you just say 'Yes, he does' and, you know, go on to something else?"

 

Reporter:  "It's contested."

******************************

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Nothing to contest he has MS13 on his knuckles - symbolically and someone typed it clearly. Nothing wrong in that.

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

Yeah i heard that also. First the reporter says the tattoos were photoshopped into the picture. Then he says there were no tattoos on the man while in the immigration detention outside the US. But then he goes on to confirm there were tattoos on him that could be interpreted as MS 13 but he was not really in the gang and those were chosen for another reason haha... 

The OP sure was good though to fuel the Dems and Trump haters. Regardless if the reporter was lying. 

No, he didn't say the tattoos were photoshopped, he said the characters "M S 1 3" shown above the tattoos in the photo Trump had shown, were photoshopped and that the meaning of the actual tattoos, the mariajuana leaf, smiley face, cross and skull were open to interpretation.

5 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Don't believe in rule of law. Rude too. Classic Trump fan. 

It's OK if you can't sensibly justify the unlawful and chaotic open border mass importation of democrat voters while now expecting protocol and organized lawful expulsions. Nobody with standards and a moral compass could.

10 minutes ago, bangadang said:

 Nothing to contest he has MS13 on his knuckles - symbolically and someone typed it clearly. Nothing wrong in that.

Of course there's something to contest it - multiple experts on gang affiliations and tattoos have pointed out that these are not known to be symbols associated with MS13.

 

Even US law enforcement does not list these symbols as being MS13-related.

 

As stated in the article below:

 

Quote

The interpretation of those symbols is not so cut-and-dried, however. The four symbols – “Marijuana,” “Smiley,” “Cross” and “Skull” – have not been found in any law enforcement guidelines or manuals to stand in for MS-13 gang identification.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-posts-image-kilmar-abrego-175852020.html

5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

No, he didn't say the tattoos were photoshopped, he said the characters "M S 1 3" shown above the tattoos in the photo Trump had shown, were photoshopped and that the meaning of the actual tattoos, the mariajuana leaf, smiley face, cross and skull were open to interpretation.

Apparently open to interpretation only be Dems and people like you who do not really know prison tats and their meanings. AS i know it, the federal police in immigration already said they were MS13 tats. Why you can not accept that is beyond me. Perhaps they all lied and you and the Dems trying to use this in their political maneuvering just think it is better to argue it than to believe the feds anymore. 

It is like having the name Mary tattooed above your pecker. Your new wife or gf that sees it will never believe you that you tattooed MARY above your pecker for religious reasons... Not for the ex gf Mary that dumped you. 

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Pointing out that a poster is wrong about something isn't  a deflection 

Lots of double talk and changing the subject.

It's clear that Trump didn't understand.

Only True Believers would be unable to see that.

The tats don't mean anything. He was deported without due process. Even gang members need due process. It says so in the constitution.

11 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Apparently open to interpretation only be Dems and people like you who do not really know prison tats and their meanings. AS i know it, the federal police in immigration already said they were MS13 tats. Why you can not accept that is beyond me. Perhaps they all lied and you and the Dems trying to use this in their political maneuvering just think it is better to argue it than to believe the feds anymore. 

It is like having the name Mary tattooed above your pecker. Your new wife or gf that sees it will never believe you that you tattooed MARY above your pecker for religious reasons... Not for the ex gf Mary that dumped you. 

See my post immediately above yours. No law enforcement agency or manual lists these as MS13 symbols.

8 minutes ago, thesetat said:

AS i know it, the federal police in immigration already said they were MS13 tats.

 

The WHite house said it, without evidence.  It's just a claim.

 

My parents were in a christian Harley motorcycle group.  The local Hells Angels for that territory sent out two guys (Reebar and Snake)  when they formed to approve their colors.

 

There was a cornucopia of skulls and marijuana leaves and crosses and even a few smiley faces gracing their leather jackets.

 

As you know it, my mum & dad were MS13.

Terry did a great job of interviewing Trump ,maybe it will become

a new way to interview him , call out all his lies , not the soft interviews

you get from Faux News , I wonder if Terry will have a job tomorrow,

because Trump is definitely going to try and get him sacked ,maybe

shipped off to San Salvador ,

 

I laughed at the part about the MS 13 tattoo , Trump would not give in

to it been photoshopped ,do his people never tell him anything ....

then Trump says to terry " Why don't you just agree ,and we can move on "

there needs to be more interviews like that , Good job Terry ...

 

regards worgeordie

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Sorry, but I don't believe trump is referring to the black MS13, letters,  those are clearly highlighting what the actually tattoos mean.

See, even you can see that the letters MS13 were added in to the photo. However that's not what Trump believes. 

 

The transcript could hardly be clearer: 

 

"Trump: "No, no, Terry, no, no....no, no....He had M-S as clear as you can be, not interpreted."

 

(Emphasis mine)

A lot of the discussion here misses the fact that Trump thought the superimposed "MS13" characters were tattoos on the guy.

I would say the fact that those characters were "photoshopped" or added to the photo in some other way is "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer" who is of normal intelligence.

This is completely separate question to whether his tattoos signified MS13.

Completely separate question to whether the guy belonged to MS13.

 

How could anyone completely fall to understand that photo in the way that Trump clearly did.

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

So where is the actual photo?

 

The interviewer said the tattoos could be 'interpreted that way' in reply to Trump, then swiftly moved on to Ukraine.

It's in the video, did you even view the video?

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

The actual "MS 13" was added to the photo to make it clear what the actual tattoos mean. Like adding a caption. But the meaning of the tats is rather clear. 

 

As is his history of abusing his wife. Or don't we believe all women any more?

Trump exposing the Legacy media 

again & again! The exposer & chief !

The GOAT!

Somethins got to be done about their

using the First Amendment  of the Constitution! When its a Dem they ignore it . When its a gop Potus they’re 

borderline treasonous .

32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It's OK if you can't sensibly justify the unlawful and chaotic open border mass importation of democrat voters while now expecting protocol and organized lawful expulsions. Nobody with standards and a moral compass could.

For what it's worth I concur that the Democrats were too lax on the border. I have noted before -  I don't really get the starry eyed Statue of Liberty stuff. Some migration is good but having strong  borders is a necessary.

They were looking to fix it somewhat  in the second half of the last term  but Trump stopped that. 

No need to go over the top in response  though - not simply say the ends justifies the means - be fair. 

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

It's in the video, did you even view the video?

I watched the part of the interview when they discussed the tattoos, no picture was shown then, the photo has since been posted here and there is now way trump was referring to the lettering above the tatts as real. That is a confusion over what they're talkng about, and the MSM as usual tryi g to spin it as fact

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

The actual "MS 13" was added to the photo to make it clear what the actual tattoos mean. Like adding a caption. But the meaning of the tats is rather clear. 

 

As is his history of abusing his wife. Or don't we believe all women any more?

"The actual "MS 13" was added to the photo"

exactly the point of this thread.

 

Trump repeatedly and vehemently insisted that those characters were tattooed on the guy's hand when anyone can see they were added to the photo.

It goes to competence, mental acuity.

Nothing to do with the deportee, all about Trump.

 

Just now, cdemundo said:

"The actual "MS 13" was added to the photo"

exactly the point of this thread.

 

Trump repeatedly and vehemently insisted that those characters were tattooed on the guy's hand when anyone can see they were added to the photo.

It goes to competence, mental acuity.

Nothing to do with the deportee, all about Trump.

 

"All about Trump" seems to describe the obsession that many on this forum have.  Almost a....syndrome of sorts?  The actual issue of deporting gang members and other undesirables gets lost in the frenzy to play "gotcha".

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

I watched the part of the interview when they discussed the tattoos, no picture was shown then, the photo has since been posted here and there is now way trump was referring to the lettering above the tatts as real. That is a confusion over what they're talkng about, and the MSM as usual tryi g to spin it as fact

 

From the transcript, out of the mouth of Trump:

 

************

Trump:  "Wait a minute, wait a minute.  He had MS13 on his knuckles."

 

Trump:  "No, no, Terry, no, no....no, no....He had M-S as clear as you can be, not interpreted.  This is why people no longer believe....the news, because it's fake news.

 

Trump:  "It says M-S-1-3."

 

Trump:  "He...is...there....oh, they weren't there then, but they're there now, right?"

************

 

Seriously, man?

You're trying to wave this away?

No spin, Trump's a big ol' poopyhead.

19 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

See, even you can see that the letters MS13 were added in to the photo. However that's not what Trump believes. 

 

The transcript could hardly be clearer: 

 

"Trump: "No, no, Terry, no, no....no, no....He had M-S as clear as you can be, not interpreted."

 

(Emphasis mine)

Come on, do you really honestly think trump is referring to the computer lettering above the tattooos, or the actual tattoos themselves.... FFS, you guys are so desperate

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

From the transcript, out of the mouth of Trump:

 

************

Trump:  "Wait a minute, wait a minute.  He had MS13 on his knuckles."

 

Trump:  "No, no, Terry, no, no....no, no....He had M-S as clear as you can be, not interpreted.  This is why people no longer believe....the news, because it's fake news.

 

Trump:  "It says M-S-1-3."

 

Trump:  "He...is...there....oh, they weren't there then, but they're there now, right?"

************

 

Seriously, man?

You're trying to wave this away?

No spin, Trump's a big ol' poopyhead.

Get real, you are making a massive fool of yourself even entertaining this.

I had a low opinion of many of you, this is proving my.point, desperate clutching at straws

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Come on, do you really honestly think trump is referring to the computer lettering above the tattooos, or the actual tattoos themselves.... FFS, you guys are so desperate

 

Dude, I transcribed the clip for you.

Go back one page.

It's very clear he's referring to the letters/numbers on the knuckles, not to the icons/emojis on the fingers.

 

If you can't admit Trump made a little booboo here, how can you trust his judgement on important matters?

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Come on, do you really honestly think trump is referring to the computer lettering above the tattooos, or the actual tattoos themselves.... FFS, you guys are so desperate

Yes, it beggars belief.

But that is exactly what he is saying, repeatedly, adamantly, clearly.

Don't care. Get rid of those who are in the US illegally. 10- 20 million undocumented at least let in by Biden and Harris in the four years Biden was POTUS. Murderers, rapists, child abusers etc. amongst those "fleeing" their home countries. Gotta be tough and that's what Trump's doing. Needs to come back to a level of stabalisation where actual refugees and legitimate immigration can happen. I don't care that the progressive woke lefties on here will get triggered by this and their syndrome will be spiked but it's what Americans voted for. What happened with the open border was absurd and IMO (and others) simply a plan to get millions of undocumented voters in to ensure a Democratic Party victory and a continuance of victories thereafter. Reality has hit home and it's Trump doing it. The pendulum swung way, way too far left and it's Trump that's bringing it back to the centre. Good. 100 days and all the syndrome sufferers are frothing at the mouth. Let's see what it's like six months to a year which is something I said after Trump's election victory. Sadly some cannot think this way and every waking moment of their lives is filled with "orange man" hate. It's like a mass psychosis and pushed heavily by the Democrats and the MSM.