Oh wait, I thought Trump was Netanyahu's puppet...

It seems that high performance concrete developed in Iran may have protected nuclear sites

 

In a First, America Dropped 30,000-Pound Bunker-Busters—But Iran’s Concrete May Be Unbreakable, Scientists Say

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-america-dropped-30-000-205300766.html

 

This news made me curious, and I found this article, from 2012.

 

"Civil engineers in Iran have two major problems that their building materials need to be able to deal with. The first is earthquakes. The other is bombs.

As a result, the country has developed a particular expertise in making some of the toughest concrete in the world. The pinnacle of its development is known as Ultra-High Performance Concrete (UHPC), which contains powdered quartz, but the country's researchers are also working on integrating other types of fibres and nanoparticles to toughen the substance yet further."

 

Iran develops ultra-high-performance quartz-infused concrete

https://www.wired.com/story/iranian-concrete/

 

There was also an article from the economist but it's under PW

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2012/03/03/smart-concrete?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh wait, I thought Trump was Netanyahu's puppet...

 

For years Netanyahu had been urging Trump to bomb Iran and has now done so after Israel softened up the air defences, I suppose many will say Trump, or at least US Administrations are Israel's puppet / proxy.

7 minutes ago, candide said:

It seems that high performance concrete developed in Iran may have protected nuclear sites

 

In a First, America Dropped 30,000-Pound Bunker-Busters—But Iran’s Concrete May Be Unbreakable, Scientists Say

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-america-dropped-30-000-205300766.html

 

This news made me curious, and I found this article, from 2012.

 

"Civil engineers in Iran have two major problems that their building materials need to be able to deal with. The first is earthquakes. The other is bombs.

As a result, the country has developed a particular expertise in making some of the toughest concrete in the world. The pinnacle of its development is known as Ultra-High Performance Concrete (UHPC), which contains powdered quartz, but the country's researchers are also working on integrating other types of fibres and nanoparticles to toughen the substance yet further."

 

Iran develops ultra-high-performance quartz-infused concrete

https://www.wired.com/story/iranian-concrete/

 

There was also an article from the economist but it's under PW

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2012/03/03/smart-concrete?

 

 

 Iranian officials downplayed the attacks

 

Yes they would.

 

Its quite possible that the US in its development of the bombs were aware of this no? After all they had these plans in place for years, it was not done on the back of a fag packet last week without knowing of Irans concrete.........

21 minutes ago, candide said:

It seems that high performance concrete developed in Iran may have protected nuclear sites

 

In a First, America Dropped 30,000-Pound Bunker-Busters—But Iran’s Concrete May Be Unbreakable, Scientists Say

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-america-dropped-30-000-205300766.html

 

This news made me curious, and I found this article, from 2012.

 

"Civil engineers in Iran have two major problems that their building materials need to be able to deal with. The first is earthquakes. The other is bombs.

As a result, the country has developed a particular expertise in making some of the toughest concrete in the world. The pinnacle of its development is known as Ultra-High Performance Concrete (UHPC), which contains powdered quartz, but the country's researchers are also working on integrating other types of fibres and nanoparticles to toughen the substance yet further."

 

Iran develops ultra-high-performance quartz-infused concrete

https://www.wired.com/story/iranian-concrete/

 

There was also an article from the economist but it's under PW

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2012/03/03/smart-concrete?

 

 

UHPC and also the diamond shape of the design that can divert the missile entry trajectory away from the nuclear sites. 

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

UHPC and also the diamond shape of the design that can divert the missile entry trajectory away from the nuclear sites. 

There's no established evidence or known military strategy suggesting Iran utilizes a diamond-shaped design for its nuclear facilities to divert missile trajectories. That's the first thing IAEA would have picked up in its reports

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 Iranian officials downplayed the attacks

 

Yes they would.

 

Its quite possible that the US in its development of the bombs were aware of this no? After all they had these plans in place for years, it was not done on the back of a fag packet last week without knowing of Irans concrete.........

As the article concludes:

"The U.S. Air Force will understandably not discuss its current bunker-busting capabilities or how they stack up against potential targets in Iran, China, or elsewhere. And most of the military work on high-strength concrete is similarly classified. But the severity of damage inflicted on Iran’s nuclear program will probably give us some clues."

3 minutes ago, candide said:

As the article concludes:

"The U.S. Air Force will understandably not discuss its current bunker-busting capabilities or how they stack up against potential targets in Iran, China, or elsewhere. And most of the military work on high-strength concrete is similarly classified. But the severity of damage inflicted on Iran’s nuclear program will probably give us some clues."

But the severity of damage inflicted on Iran’s nuclear program will probably give us some clues."

 

Yes and that assessment currently is:

 

“Given the explosive payload utilized and the extreme vibration-sensitive nature of centrifuges, very significant damage is expected to have occurred,” Grossi added referring to the US bombing.

 

IAEA chief expects ‘very significant damage’ at Iran’s Fordo site, demands access

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iaea-chief-expects-very-significant-damage-at-irans-fordo-site-demands-access/

31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 Iranian officials downplayed the attacks

 

Yes they would.

 

Its quite possible that the US in its development of the bombs were aware of this no? After all they had these plans in place for years, it was not done on the back of a fag packet last week without knowing of Irans concrete.........

They may developed the bomb to be effective in different condition but not tested. They will have to wait for the intel damage assessment and improve on the bombs. 

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There's no established evidence or known military strategy suggesting Iran utilizes a diamond-shaped design for its nuclear facilities to divert missile trajectories. 

This design was make known to them by the Chinese. Whether they use this design, I admit I don't know until we get intel details. 

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

They may developed the bomb to be effective in different condition but not tested. They will have to wait for the intel damage assessment and improve on the bombs. 

I think the US will test it beforehand after spending around half a billion developing them, your just clutching at straws now.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

This design was make known to them by the Chinese. Whether they use this design, I admit I don't know until we get intel details. 

So you admit unsubstantiated claims and now make additional claims it was also made known to them by the Chinese.

 

Meanwhile the IAEA who has inspected the sites for years have not identified it

US intel says strikes did not destroy Iran nuclear program

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-intel-says-strikes-did-204615224.html

3 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

US intel says strikes did not destroy Iran nuclear program

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-intel-says-strikes-did-204615224.html

The same unfinished preliminary report we've been discussing for the last 3 pages......

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The same unfinished preliminary report we've been discussing for the last 3 pages......

Adds up to reasons to not to believe Trump. Does that scare you?

2 hours ago, sharot724 said:

Adds up to reasons to not to believe Trump. Does that scare you?

I couldn't care less about Trumps claim on obliteration, not quoted his claims once about the damage, you can stand down with the personal off topic slurs now. Fail and just proves that Trump hate is more important than finding the most accurate estimates  possible.

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

 

Conflicting reports including one from inside the White House......and Trump cursing Israel and Iran. LOL…

 

A classified preliminary US intelligence report has concluded that American strikes on Iran set back Tehran’s nuclear programme by just a few months - rather than destroying it as claimed by Trump.

 

US media cited people familiar with the Defence Intelligence Agency findings as saying the weekend strikes did not fully eliminate Iran’s centrifuges or stockpile of enriched uranium.

 

The strikes sealed off entrances to some facilities without destroying underground buildings, according to the report.

 

As he was leaving the White House, he berated Israel and Iran, saying they “don’t know what the f*** they’re doing” as the two sides launched missiles as the truce was set to begin.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/leak-of-intelligence-report-on-iran-bombing-setback-for-trump-as-nato-summit-gets-under-way/C3PT5GMMYNCS5HMPI3OSMTLK7M/

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It's President Trump. 

Unfortunately!

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

Conflicting reports including one from inside the White House......and Trump cursing Israel and Iran. LOL…

 

A classified preliminary US intelligence report has concluded that American strikes on Iran set back Tehran’s nuclear programme by just a few months - rather than destroying it as claimed by Trump.

 

US media cited people familiar with the Defence Intelligence Agency findings as saying the weekend strikes did not fully eliminate Iran’s centrifuges or stockpile of enriched uranium.

 

The strikes sealed off entrances to some facilities without destroying underground buildings, according to the report.

 

As he was leaving the White House, he berated Israel and Iran, saying they “don’t know what the f*** they’re doing” as the two sides launched missiles as the truce was set to begin.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/leak-of-intelligence-report-on-iran-bombing-setback-for-trump-as-nato-summit-gets-under-way/C3PT5GMMYNCS5HMPI3OSMTLK7M/

From the artical:

 

Democratic Rep. Pat Ryan of New York said on X on Tuesday that “Trump just cancelled a classified House briefing on the Iran strikes with zero explanation. The real reason? He claims he destroyed ‘all nuclear facilities and capability;’ his team knows they can’t back up his bluster and BS.”

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

did she said it yes or no

 

I don't know. The hearing was over two hours and I wasn't prepared to hear it all.

 

However, if you can show us that she said it as the sitting DNI then go for it. 

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I don't know. The hearing was over two hours and I wasn't prepared to hear it all.

 

However, if you can show us that she said it as the sitting DNI then go for it. 

I provided the links, be clever don't try to divert

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I provided the links, be clever don't try to divert

 

Like you?

An off topic and unreliable source has been removed @SamSaraburi

1 hour ago, DezLez said:

Unfortunately!

Only for the left

How gleeful the left seems to be that Iran's nuclear arms program may not have been obliterated. 

 

 

The 'glee' may come in watching the botched Trump PR effort.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

How gleeful the left seems to be that Iran's nuclear arms program may not have been obliterated. 

 

 

No, gleeful that trump announced obliteration without proper intel.

16 minutes ago. Now being widely reported.

 

Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson said the country’s nuclear installations were ‘badly damaged’ by US airstrikes, the Associated Press reported, though he didn’t provide further detail.

 

AP, ABC news, Times of Israel, Bloomberg, Yahoo ...

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-25/iran-says-nuclear-sites-badly-damaged-by-us-ap-reports

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

16 minutes ago. Now being widely reported.

 

Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson said the country’s nuclear installations were ‘badly damaged’ by US airstrikes, the Associated Press reported, though he didn’t provide further detail.

 

AP, ABC news, Times of Israel, Bloomberg, Yahoo ...

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-25/iran-says-nuclear-sites-badly-damaged-by-us-ap-reports

Could be true, could be a smart move to mislead.