ID Card for farangs

[Maestro]

In Thai it says มีถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร

google translate says that means "A permanent resident"

I see that the Department of Provincial Administration (DOPA) and the Immigration Bureau, both part of the Ministry of the Interior, use different Thai terminology for what is best translated as "permanent residence"

The Immigration Act makes a distinction between foreigners on the basis of the type of permission to stay they have. Chapter 4 is about "Temporary Stay in the Kingdom", chapter 5 about "Entering to take Resedence in the Kingdom"

Whereas the English translation uses the same term "residence" both in chapters 4 and 5, the Thai text uses two different terms, ที่พัก (thi phak) in chapter 4 for foreigners with permission to stay temporarily in Thailand, and ถิ่นที่อยู่ (thin thi yu) in chapter 5 for the foreigners to whom we commonly refer as Permanent Residents.

While the English translation of the Immigration Act uses the terms "permanent resident" and "permanent residence", the Thai text contains no word that could be translated as "permanent". The distinction based on the permission to stay mentioned above means that the term ถิ่นที่อยู่ (thin thi yu) used for residence in chapter 5 automatically means permanent residence, ie the type of residence which is not a temporary stay in Thailand. The word ถาวร (thawon), indicating permanence, used by the DOPA on the ID card for Permanent Residents, appears nowhere in the Immigration Act.

What has been translated as "permanent resident" in the Immigration Act is คนต่างด้าวซึ่งได้รับอนุญาตให้มีถิ่นที่อยู่ในราชอาณาจักร (khon tangdao sueng dairap anuyat hai mi thin thiyu nai ratcha-anachak) in the Thai text, literally a foreigner who has been allowed to take residence in Thailand.

[worrab]

Worrab, the basic question is whether text below the ID number on your card is exactly the same as the text shown on the other card posted in the post avove yours, ie if the text is as follows:

มีถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร

Even if you can't read Thai, perhaps you can compare the two texts visually and see if they are identical.

I will now try to clear up this problem. The card you have taken this from states at the top non Thai nationals, so you were not born in Thailand which is identical to my card. Now here comes the difference.

The card you have shown, the wording under the number translates as having domicile in Thailand. So for whatever reason whether it be marriage or working here, to mention two, that person is entitled to that card. Also it is a card that can be held by people from Laos, Myanmar etc.

My card is NOT the same as the wording translates as Aliens under the numbers. I am a non Thai national who does not have domicile here in the same way.

Cheers.

[worrab]

Worrab

Would like to see a scan of your new ID card, after you've deleted personal info. Will trot on over to my local amphur and ask if they've heard of it.

Mac

My post 22 shows my card.

[Boycie]

Many thanks for all the information worrab

I read this topic from the start and understood and followed everything you were writing.

Apologies that some members are still questioning and doubting you.

Please don't let them put you off from posting in the future.

[balo]

I dont think you'll gain anything from having this card. I think a Thai drivers license is more value for foreigners than this card.

[MadMac]

You can always show it to the police if they make a passport razzia. As they certainly will never have seen such thing with a farang, chances are high one gets arrested. Which is a experience worth it I'd say

More interesting however would be, what they are doing in the national parks and other rip-off places with "tourist" prices when presenting that card.

[Maestro]

Worrab, the basic question is whether text below the ID number on your card is exactly the same as the text shown on the other card posted in the post avove yours, ie if the text is as follows:

มีถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร

Even if you can't read Thai, perhaps you can compare the two texts visually and see if they are identical.

I will now try to clear up this problem. The card you have taken this from states at the top non Thai nationals, so you were not born in Thailand which is identical to my card. Now here comes the difference.

The card you have shown, the wording under the number translates as having domicile in Thailand. So for whatever reason whether it be marriage or working here, to mention two, that person is entitled to that card. Also it is a card that can be held by people from Laos, Myanmar etc.

My card is NOT the same as the wording translates as Aliens under the numbers. I am a non Thai national who does not have domicile here in the same way.

Cheers.

What is the text, in Thai letters, on the line below the ID number on your card? Can you please give it in Thai letters, not a translation of what it means or does not mean in English?

[farang95]

very interesting topic ..Thanks

[Maestro]

Another member, MadMac, who does not have Permanent Residence (immigrant status), posted – off topic– in the forum "Thai (Non Thai) Id Card For Permanent Residents" that he also got the pink ID card with starting ID digit 6, in Bangkok: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/590057-thai-non-thai-id-card-for-permanent-residents/page-10?p=10477392#entry10477392

[Maestro]

In Thai it says มีถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร

Are you saying that มีถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร is what is printed on the ID card of the member worrab, on the line below the ID number?

Or is it what is printed in that place on your own pink ID card with 6 as the first digit of the ID number? If either of the two is the case, this is the information I have been waiting for.

[Maestro]

Removed a post with incorrect information and the reply to it.

[worrab]

Worrab, the basic question is whether text below the ID number on your card is exactly the same as the text shown on the other card posted in the post avove yours, ie if the text is as follows:

มีถิ่นที่อยู่ถาวร

Even if you can't read Thai, perhaps you can compare the two texts visually and see if they are identical.

I will now try to clear up this problem. The card you have taken this from states at the top non Thai nationals, so you were not born in Thailand which is identical to my card. Now here comes the difference.

The card you have shown, the wording under the number translates as having domicile in Thailand. So for whatever reason whether it be marriage or working here, to mention two, that person is entitled to that card. Also it is a card that can be held by people from Laos, Myanmar etc.

My card is NOT the same as the wording translates as Aliens under the numbers. I am a non Thai national who does not have domicile here in the same way.

Cheers.

What is the text, in Thai letters, on the line below the ID number on your card? Can you please give it in Thai letters, not a translation of what it means or does not mean in English?

I am unable to give you this in Thai script as I do not have a Thai keyboard. It seems you are doubting the translation provided by my Thai girlfriend who categorically states this word is Aliens or for the exact wording general Aliens. This is what differentiates the 2 cards that are in pink. One for non Thai nationals with domicile and us as non Thai without domicile.

[worrab]

Greetings all,

This card has caused quite a stir. I have taken another shot of the card which I am now posting here and I am really hoping this clears up a number of issues.

Simply put is a card for people like ourselves who have a yellow Tabien Baan. They are not compulsory and it is up to the individual if they want one or not. I was offered the chance and took it with nothing to lose and everything to gain if any changes that involve this card come into play. I will be ahead of the game. You can always get one and put it in a drawer for a rainy day!1 555

Cheers.

[MadMac]

Yes, same on my card, issued yesterday. Wife said it means something like "general alien". Not sure if that was for the text above or below the ID number.

[KhunBENQ]

And this "common/general alien" distinguishes it from pink cards with specific descriptions like "Laos immigrant" or similar.

Pink cards are issued to different groups/classes of foreigners.

Just found this article about pink cards for Myanmar workers, valid for two years.

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/19233-workers-in-thailand-told-to-re-register-for-pink-cards.html

[Thanyaburi Mac]

I bopped over to my local Thesaban this morning to ask about the Farang ID card. Took a while and 3-4 of the guys and gals before they seemed to agree that it was possible, but not with them. They do regular Thai ID cards.

They suggested I head over to the Amphur at Klong 5.5 and give it a go there, "should be possible," they said.

OK, perhaps Thursday.

Mac

[MadMac]

I put a picture of the card on the phone and showed them, they knew what it was and what to do, no explanation or discussion required. But probably they have the printing machines only in bigger districts. As mentioned in the other thread, my one has serial number 9.

[Thanyaburi Mac]

MadMac

Wonder what the 9 indicates, the chart only goes up to 8.

My Tambien Ban starts with a 6.

Mac

[MadMac]

Sorry, probably that was a bit confusing with the 9 . Did not mean the starting number, I have a 6 too. There is a serial number under the photo which includes the issueing office and a counting number. That is 9, meaning only 9 of the pink IDs were ever isued in that district.

[Tywais]

Would it be possible to obtain one with a work permit which has your address on it same as the yellow tambian bahn? It (WP) is also used as proof of address in those cases that require it such as buying car, getting DL, etc.

[MadMac]

I believe the main thing is that you already have that 13 digits Thai ID and your name transcribed into Thai. The card as well as the yellow tabien baan are fully in Thai. WP will not have the ID and keeps your latin name.

[KhunBENQ]

Sorry, probably that was a bit confusing with the 9 . Did not mean the starting number, I have a 6 too.

Just for entertainment:

Digit 9 is reserved for members of the Royal family.

ID no. of the King is shown here (9100100001010):

[Tywais]

Here is a topic from 2012 - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/590057-thai-non-thai-id-card-for-permanent-residents/

[walailak]

Got the pink card for foreigners today! visited saimai district office here in Bangkok this afternoon in at 2.49pm out by 3.19pm, documents needed yellow book and copy of the front page of the passport, very efficient big smiles fee 60baht, the serial number says I have the 2nd card ever issued there. Expires in ten years but not on your birthday like thai driving license☺☺☺?? ?

[MadMac]

Your serial says 13, anyway, good job

[blackcab]

MadMac

Wonder what the 9 indicates, the chart only goes up to 8.

My Tambien Ban starts with a 6.

Mac

You are off the chart.

[walailak]

Thanks for the clarification

[Badbanker]

Many people are not aware that the 13 digit code on all Thai ID cards, including this pink one, can be checked by Police online, either from a police net (polisweb) or in the near future from a cellphone app.

There is facility and Immigration is discussing with the Ministry of the Interior, that all people who get an extension of stay of 6 months or more, would be given a pink non Thai ID card.

As we are all aware they issued a couple of million pink cards to Cambodian, Lao and Myanmar migrant workers and the facility is there to extend this to all resident foreigners.

As the various police and immigration databases are integrated, senior immigration officials have said they anticipate being able to check extension of stay from the 13 digit code on the ID Card.

Sources at Immigration tell me part of the back end of the software has an expire date feature for the data! This would mean an end to the inconvenience of carrying passports.

As we have seen with the imminent crackdown on overstayers, Immigration want to take back some level of control of the mess they have now and the logical way to do this, is to give a temporary ID Card to resident foreigners.

A number of other Asian countries already do this successfully, and Thailand is watching closely. I believe this will be one of the next steps for us all!

[Maestro]

Thank you, Badbanker, for posting this inside information.

[worrab]

Where would one go to apply for this card in Chiang Mai?

Thanks

Go to the Amphur from where you obtained your yellow Tabien Baan.