In detention right now about to be deported

[jeab1980]

28 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, you did not get it.

 

This topic is about suspecting people of working, the 20k is just an excuse.

No the guy was denied entry as he didn't have 20k so im afraid its you who doesnt quite get it.

Read the thread its not about you turning it into a diffrent topic.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

No the guy was denied entry as he didn't have 20k so im afraid its you who doesnt quite get it.

Read the thread its not about you turning it into a diffrent topic.

Do you understand the word 'excuse'? Obviously not, no point in this discussion with you.

[jeab1980]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Do you understand the word 'excuse'? Obviously not, no point in this discussion with you.

Stop trying to derail, point out any post on here where the op has said anything about previous visa's just people like you putting 2 and 2 together and as usual coming up with 5.

There is nothing to suggest at all the point you are trying to push repeat nothing. Trolling a post for your own agenda

[Scott]

Please get back and topic and keep the discussion civil. 

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, Asiantravel said:

I only responded because you were addressing the point about how to avoid flying in from Vietnam. As I said previously it’s astonishing how expensive it is to fly from Phnom Penh to Laos because these routes are not served by budget carriers. And because you are flying via other destinations they charge you even more for an unnecessarily longer journey

It wouldn’t be fair to compare Giant Ibis buses to Virak Buntham (or the standard of service that is offered) because they are a different league. You might want to read posts 3 and 4 in the following thread. Yes you would have to do it in three stages- Ho Chi Minh city to Phnom Penh, Phnom Penh to Siem Reap  and finally Siem Reap  to Bangkok which can all be done with the same company.

 

I certainly agree that it is far from ideal (i.e. "stupid") to have to fly-around in circles to come back to Thailand to be able to spend money here, all because a clique of haters have taken over airport security.

 

That bus looks much better than anything I rode on there.  But it is far out of the way to go to Siem Reap from Phnom Penh - several hours more - so not ideal unless planning on visiting Siem Reap and staying there awhile.  And from Siem Reap - you don't go through Battambang to taxi to a safe border-crossing from there.  Also, those buses would come in to Thailand via Poipet - the worst possible crossing if someone has a few recent Tourist-Visas - or even a few from months ago.

 

Too bad Ibis don't go to Koh Kong - though you could take the Sihanoukville bus, then get out at the eatery on the road leading to both Koh Kong and Sihanoukville (about 1/3 way to either destination ~"Pich Nil") before the "Y" where the paths diverge, then switch to a lousy-bus for the rest of the way.   Sometimes trying to get out of Phnom Penh's traffic is 1/2 the trip-time on that route. 

[Essecola]

3 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

Yes thats what this topic is about 20k

If it was only about having twenty thousand baht in hand each time crossing, this stuff would be simple indeed

[jeab1980]

4 minutes ago, Essecola said:

If it was only about having twenty thousand baht in hand each time crossing, this stuff would be simple indeed

The guy was denied entry for not having 20k as he posted in the opening  post on this his thread. There is nothing anywhere from the op that would suggest any diffrent scenario. The diffrent stories to this thread have been brought about by other posters who have the ability to read other peoples minds it seems.

 

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, tryasimight said:

Back in 2004 my then US girlfriend and I were doing her 3 month day visa run from Australia (yes on a 12 month tourist visa) but we stuffed up the dates. Booked a flight to PNG from Cairns on 1st March, we thought (90 days) but as luck would have it was a leap year, one day over. The exiting IO called his supervisor...her Visa was immediately cancelled and she was arrested and put in detention.

I have heard their immigration is awful - even have a show on TV about how harsh they are.  I will not be going there, unless/until that changes.  The same goes for my passport-country, btw.  Twisted, sick, power-tripping losers given badges and authority in airports, where I am from. There is no "airside' way to avoid USA-customs, so just fly OVER it from Canada, if you want to see Latin America without a surprise prostate-exam en-route.

 

Thailand's worst is better than the USA by far - but Thailand can do better than their worst - and the good IOs I have met, who follow the rules, smile and talk politely, prove that.

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

The guy was denied entry for not having 20k as he posted in the opening  post on this his thread. There is nothing anywhere from the op that would suggest any diffrent scenario. The diffrent stories to this thread have been brought about by other posters who have the ability to read other peoples minds it seems.

 

No, by people who are reading between the lines, interpreting information provided and don't believe all information is always provided honestly and completely.

 

Hence I don't believe the reason provided for his denial is the real reason.

Edited July 16, 2017 by stevenl

[JackThompson]

17 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

The guy was denied entry for not having 20k as he posted in the opening  post on this his thread. There is nothing anywhere from the op that would suggest any diffrent scenario. The diffrent stories to this thread have been brought about by other posters who have the ability to read other peoples minds it seems.

And the guy who took him to detention couldn't take him to an ATM instead, to verify their suspicions, because ________ ?

But, yes, we should not confuse it with the other thread, where the guy had 25K Baht and was denied entry, anyway. 

Yes, the OP didn't know he needed to travel as if going to a war-zone, with a stack of money stashed in a money-belt. Only those who read this and similar forums have any idea about that.  The other fellow did know, but it didn't help. 

Let's hope this problem becomes known more widely, so more sad-stories like this can be avoided.

Edited July 16, 2017 by JackThompson

[perthperson]

5 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

And the guy who took him to detention couldn't take him to an ATM instead, to verify their suspicions, because ________ ?

But, yes, we should not confuse it with the other thread, where the guy had 25K Baht and was denied entry, anyway. 

Yes, the OP didn't know he needed to travel as if going to a war-zone, with a stack of money stashed in a money-belt. Only those who read this and similar forums have any idea about that.  The other fellow did know, but it didn't help. 

Let's hope this problem becomes known more widely, so more sad-stories like this can be avoided.

Can you really just listen to one side of a story and make judgements?   

[jeab1980]

4 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

And the guy who took him to detention couldn't take him to an ATM instead, to verify their suspicions, because ________ ?

But, yes, we should not confuse it with the other thread, where the guy had 25K Baht and was denied entry, anyway. 

Yes, the OP didn't know he needed to travel as if going to a war-zone, with a stack of money stashed in a money-belt. Only those who read this and similar forums have any idea about that.  The other fellow did know, but it didn't help. 

Let's hope this problem becomes known more widely, so more sad-stories like this can be avoided.

Beacuse as i belive the ATM is not air side therefore if the officer in question would have escorted him he would have broken his goverments rules. Therefore rendering himself open to punishment.

20k is hardly a stack of money is it now. 

I have previously posted this requirement should be clearly posted in all crossings if you would care to look back. However that said it has been known and commented about on here quite a few times. What is it people keep saying ignorance of the law is not a defence.

@stevenl has at last in his last post said he belives the op to be a liar or the officer in question put a false reason for refusal in the ops passport or both. and in his own words can read between the lines a fantastic achievement indeed.

Why cant people take what is written at face value instead of "reading between the lines" then totally convincing themselfs what they belive it completely correct, without a shred of evidance to back up your accusations?

[perthperson]

10 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Beacuse as i belive the ATM is not air side therefore if the officer in question would have escorted him he would have broken his goverments rules. Therefore rendering himself open to punishment.

20k is hardly a stack of money is it now. 

I have previously posted this requirement should be clearly posted in all crossings if you would care to look back. However that said it has been known and commented about on here quite a few times. What is it people keep saying ignorance of the law is not a defence.

@stevenl has at last in his last post said he belives the op to be a liar or the officer in question put a false reason for refusal in the ops passport or both. and in his own words can read between the lines a fantastic achievement indeed.

Why cant people take what is written at face value instead of "reading between the lines" then totally convincing themselfs what they belive it completely correct, without a shred of evidance to back up your accusations?

Yes - why not accept the wrongdoers  plea about "wasn't me gov"? 

[Salerno]

3 hours ago, Zikomat said:

Let's say your stay in Pattaya and sometimes clean your apartment by yourself. In my opinion - you work in Thailand illegally.  Am I right? 

No.

 

3 hours ago, Zikomat said:

By the way - I don't work IN THAILAND. All my work is on the internet. None of the internet servers I use in my work are located in Thailand.

The internet is ubiquitous, your body is not. Therefore, technically, if you are bashing the keyboard for payment, you are working in Thailand - how the Thais interpret it is up to them and really the only thing that matters in this case.

[oldhippy]

So it seems that there may have been 2 different reasons for the refusal of entry.

 

1/ suspicion of working illegally.

       What happened to the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty?

2/ not enough money.

       Ever since the 15th (fifteenth) century cash money was gradually replaced by cheques, bank cards, credit            cards, internet banking. If Thailand refuses to enter the 21 century, OK, their country, their rules. But if immigration wants to see 15th century money, they should provide an ATM airside, otherwise it is not a matter of "their rules", but a matter of harassing "inferior" races and/or power tripping.

 

[scubascuba3]

On my two posts  above on this thread  I got 13 likes, thank you

 

However today  I was accused today of making rude posts and having no respect for others, and off topic posting, 

 

I try to post with love compassion, honesty, and the experience of making mistakes, to offer good honest help

 

As a result of these comments I apologise to those who feel this way, this is not my intention

 

God Bless

 

Pretty much everyone gets accused of being off topic, par for the course.

 

It would make an interesting discussion thread

 

[Essecola]

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

And the guy who took him to detention couldn't take him to an ATM instead, to verify their suspicions, because ________ ?

But, yes, we should not confuse it with the other thread, where the guy had 25K Baht and was denied entry, anyway. 

Yes, the OP didn't know he needed to travel as if going to a war-zone, with a stack of money stashed in a money-belt. Only those who read this and similar forums have any idea about that.  The other fellow did know, but it didn't help. 

Let's hope this problem becomes known more widely, so more sad-stories like this can be avoided.

The OP wasnt aware the airport wasn't the best place to do what he was trying to do  

[balo]

2 hours ago, oldhippy said:

But if immigration wants to see 15th century money, they should provide an ATM airside, otherwise it is not a matter of "their rules", but a matter of harassing "inferior" races and/or power tripping.

 

Indeed, I still believe you will be guided to an ATM if you say "please". 

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

The internet is ubiquitous, your body is not. Therefore, technically, if you are bashing the keyboard for payment, you are working in Thailand - how the Thais interpret it is up to them and really the only thing that matters in this case.

Actually not so. Income generated overseas is not taxed in Thailand so that negates the internet argument for starters.

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Actually not so. Income generated overseas is not taxed in Thailand so that negates the internet argument for starters.

If living in the country more than 6 months and bringing the earned income into the country can create a tax situation. 

 

Carrying out the Internet work whilst physically in the country requires permission.

 

The authorities, as a general rule, don't currently pursue/prosecute this type of work, but by the letter of the law it's illegal regardless of where the income is paid.

Edited July 16, 2017 by elviajero

[elviajero]

You were denied entry because you're trying to live in the country without the appropriate visa/permit, and due to you're age probably suspected of working to fund your stay.

 

The 20K was an easy reason to deny entry. I suspect that even if you'd had 20K another reason to deny would be found.

 

If you're formally denied entry you'll have a high chance of being denied again. You are not in the demographic of people they want living in the country unless you pay for the privilege or are formally working.

[elviajero]

6 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

No the guy was denied entry as he didn't have 20k so im afraid its you who doesnt quite get it.

Read the thread its not about you turning it into a diffrent topic.

No he was denied because of his age, perpetual tourism, and suspicion of work. The 20K was just the excuse/easiest path for the IO to deny entry.

[juice777]

If living in the country more than 6 months and bringing the earned income into the country can create a tax situation. 
 
Carrying out the Internet work whilst physically in the country requires permission.
 
The authorities, as a general rule, don't currently pursue/prosecute this type of work, but by the letter of the law it's illegal regardless of where the income is paid.

What are the Tax laws on income earned abroad but staying in Thailand for over six months(On Tourist Visas) , I do a Tax return in my home country. I am thinking of carrying my bank statements and proof I am renting out property in the UK when I go on a vias run. But I don't want to get hit with a Tax bill lol. I read a Thread about this before but I can't find it now.Should I have anything to worry about?


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[pkspeaker]

On 7/15/2017 at 10:37 AM, Tsm12345 said:

I'm back home in Bangkok. Thanks for the help. I bought a flight to Germany. Withdrew 30k THB. Got a medical certificate. Took the invoice from my hotel in Laos. Asked my lobbyguy to send me a letter for my serviced apartment that shows I have paid it till September. Got another letter from my Language school + contacts to call. Got a bankstatement. And yeah got through. Rough few days. 

 

 

 

Sound like a pretty <deleted> expensive way to stay here..

Edited July 16, 2017 by metisdead
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[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, elviajero said:

If living in the country more than 6 months and bringing the earned income into the country can create a tax situation. 

 

Carrying out the Internet work whilst physically in the country requires permission.

 

The authorities, as a general rule, don't currently pursue/prosecute this type of work, but by the letter of the law it's illegal regardless of where the income is paid.

No it doesn't.

[jeab1980]

8 hours ago, perthperson said:

Yes - why not accept the wrongdoers  plea about "wasn't me gov"? 

Well there you go another person who finds the op guilty of !!! But clearly calling him a liar. 

[jeab1980]

8 hours ago, oldhippy said:

So it seems that there may have been 2 different reasons for the refusal of entry.

 

1/ suspicion of working illegally.

       What happened to the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty?

2/ not enough money.

       Ever since the 15th (fifteenth) century cash money was gradually replaced by cheques, bank cards, credit            cards, internet banking. If Thailand refuses to enter the 21 century, OK, their country, their rules. But if immigration wants to see 15th century money, they should provide an ATM airside, otherwise it is not a matter of "their rules", but a matter of harassing "inferior" races and/or power tripping.

 

Right so petrol stations or the vast majority of here in Thailand should close down as they dont accept plastic!. 

The problem with ATM airside is who will fill it up? You cant have tom dick or harry walking airside several times a day its called security of passengers. There is only 1 reason quoted anywhere on this thread by the OP as to refusal.

The 2nd reason you quoted is pure speculation by other posters unfortunatley this is a prime example of what one poster writes others blindly follow. Without any proof whatsoever to the contrary the Op said he was refused entry as he didnt have 20k so untill other proof starts emerging from the op ALL other speculation is pointless. Inocent till proven guilty! No not on here wonder if posters/members here need to practise what they preach and drag themselves into the 21st century!

Edited July 17, 2017 by jeab1980

[juice777]

As a retired UK Chartered Accountant  my understanding of taxation here is as follows
 
So long as you earn your income overseas and do not bring it into Thailand in the year in which it is earnt you are not liable to tax on that income
 
However if you earn that income by sitting at a computer in thailand even if it is paid overseas then legally it is taxable here, there are many potentially liable on this basis for non declaration, and thats evasion
 
There is a big difference between avoidance, legal and evasion illegal
 
I do not believe immigration officers, whom I have a high respect for, have turned into tax collectors but to stay on the safe side suggest only show bank statements
 
If you need more help PM me as I have been accused of being off topic, I will willingly give you my phone number
 
I have no wish or need to work; just to help and advise for NO reward

Thanks for the advice and offer of help

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[ubonjoe]

After removing a few of the worst posts including one about moderation and since this topic has gone way of topic and is bickering fest between a few members it is now