TM30: “It’s really not that hard”, immigration official tells foreigners

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No, she doesn't. It's in the regulations that she can do it at her local police station. That's what I used to do at the village.

Wow! It's in the regulations so it must be true, right? 

 

If you've read through some of these threads, you'll have read about people trying to do it at the nearest police station. Some police stations simply said no. Go to immigration. But hey, now you said it's in the regulations everything will just magically be okay. 

[TG911]

13 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

5000 signatures is quite a lot of complaints and does mean something being relevant. You are actually in the small tiny minority of liking the system and not going for fair change.

With all due respect. If you have lived here long enough, you know what the Thai way is. 

 

And it's not a Western style petition, unheard of in Thailand and undermines their authority. There was never a 'fair' change.

And it fires backwards.

Look at the response, you can't deny this. How effective is it? If nothing else, now you got more attention and enforcement.

 

I don't like that system, you are putting this words into my mouth. You honestly think I believe the TM30 is a great idea and I'm happy with it? Come on.

 

I'm not going to apologize if I read the Thai's in a different way and try not to apply my Western common sense to them. It just never works. 

That's the first lesson we all learn here.

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2019 by TG911

[Jimbo2014]

The TM30 was decided after a Mekhong fueled brainstorming session resulting from those bombers last year.... who entered the country illegally and didnt register with immigration.... Did anyone ask simple questions such as: why would a criminal fill in a TM30 and does this make it any harder to be off the system and what about all the 1000s of Thai criminals who are responsible for 99.9% of the crime in Thailand?

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Wow! It's in the regulations so it must be true, right? 

 

If you've read through some of these threads, you'll have read about people trying to do it at the nearest police station. Some police stations simply said no. Go to immigration. But hey, now you said it's in the regulations everything will just magically be okay. 

I said I had done it at the police station. 

You seem to be looking to attack me, so I'm now ignoring you. Bye.

[Bangkok Barry]

Did anyone ask why Thailand, and only Thailand, needs such a form for national security purposes. Does anyone know of such a system anywhere else in the world?

Did anyone ask how it actually helps to catch criminals?

Did anyone ask why the website is so poor and why it takes weeks to get a user name and password, whereas in the real world when you apply for something you are usually, nearly always, invited to make up your own user name and password and can use it instantly?

Edited August 16, 2019 by Bangkok Barry

[Salerno]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo2014 said:

The TM30 was decided after a Mekhong fueled brainstorming session resulting from those bombers last year....

And they miraculously managed to back date it to 1979 

[exppenang]

I've lived in Phuket for 7 years on a retirement visa, and visited frequently for 4 years before that. Have seen lots of changes. Some positive. Many negative. I consider myself one of the luckier retirees here because I legally meet all the requirements for continued extensions. My former employer (county government employee) issues retirement income letters.

Year by year my quality of life here has gone down. Air and water pollution, lethal roads and insanely dangerous drivers, no safe walking pathways, corruption, rising prices, long queue at airport, construction noise 7 days a week, and ever more restrictive rules on extension of stay have tipped the scale for me.

The officials in charge will run Phuket's tourism into the ground, just to continue the flow of graft money a few years longer. Now we see all the signs of a steep downturn. Worldwide recession predicted, THB forex rate wiping out entire tourism segments, TAT ever more desperately playing the numbers game, infrastructure too far behind, fresh water running out, no lifeguards or effective water safety system. The list goes on and on.

I have visited the neighbouring countries where, for me, the grass is not only greener but cheaper, and governance is much better. Their retirement visa programs are much more stable, use of technology (instead of ever more paperwork which is easy to counterfeit) for visa applications and renewals.

Many will stay because of the bar life here, and there is nothing wrong with that. Been there done that.

Many also claim it "isn't that bad" and they can just ignore all the government problems. They say this mainly to justify their continued presence in a xenophobic society where they will never truly belong.

I moved here knowing that paradise wouldn't last forever. For me it's not hard to acknowledge that paradise in Phuket is long lost, and will not return again.

I'm OUT OF HERE!

[rkidlad]

5 minutes ago, RBOP said:

There are many laws still on the books that are not enforced anymore. Like there is a law in Canada to install a horse post must be installed in front of your business (to tie up horses)  but its no longer enforced. I bought my condo 25 years ago and second one 9 years ago. Its was announced on 28 March 2019 that TM30 would be enforcement of an existing 1979 regulation.  I put my condo up for sale already. 

 

Furthermore, your posts take up 90% of this forum. Enough already. Let people bitch without you bitching back. 

Absolutely. I can't understand the thinking of posters who keep making post after post of, "you have to do it. It's the law", or, "I did it and it was easy for me". As soon as you've said it once, there is no reason to keep repeating it. 

 

If you accept you have to do the TM30 and it's not a problem for you - well done. Repetitively posting this same information again and again is just celebrating it.  

[carabaothai]

2 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Who can apply for a pink ID card?

Everybody who has a permanent adress

[Prairieboy]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

is “really not that hard”,

Maybe not that difficult but certainly inconvenient!  I'm sure that terrorists will faithfully register when moving from province to province so, pray tell, what practical purpose the TM-30 serves?  Just an excuse to fine honest people to sweeten the government coffers!

[rkidlad]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I said I had done it at the police station. 

You seem to be looking to attack me, so I'm now ignoring you. Bye.

You said it's 'in the regulations' and told another member to do it at the nearest police station. As in, you can do it at the police station because it's in the regulations.

 

This isn't true and it's simply misleading. So why say it? 

[khunpa]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm sure that you are out of date thinking. A modern computer will be able to process all the information and flag any that have not complied for the immigration officer.

Of course previously you would have been correct, which is how I stayed for years in guest houses that did not require my passport to register.

Still requires someone to build the application to handle the data. They can’t even make a website work properly, so does not look promising.

 

Besides that they have 90 day reporting data, which they obviously can not process.

[MadMac]

17 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

When you pay the fine, you still need to queue up and do a TM30 report, so you are still wasting half a day etc.

Yes, sure, but you do it only once, pay that 800B and thats it. Why bother with that garbage every single time?

[Peterw42]

5 minutes ago, Jimbo2014 said:

The TM30 was decided after a Mekhong fueled brainstorming session resulting from those bombers last year.... who entered the country illegally and didnt register with immigration..

That is a supporting argument for TM30s, imagine if the place the bombers stayed at did a TM30, immigration would have then known their whereabouts. The whole idea behind a TM30 is so people are on the radar no matter where they stay. 

If every property owner is living in mortal fear of being fined etc, they will report a bomber in residence.

[carabaothai]

2 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

At Immigration or district office? 

District office

[paulbrow]

16 minutes ago, RBOP said:

There are many laws still on the books that are not enforced anymore. Like there is a law in Canada to install a horse post must be installed in front of your business (to tie up horses)  but its no longer enforced. I bought my condo 25 years ago and second one 9 years ago. Its was announced on 28 March 2019 that TM30 would be enforcement of an existing 1979 regulation.  I put my condo up for sale already. 

 

Furthermore, your posts take up 90% of this forum. Enough already. Let people bitch without you bitching back. 

Amen!

[Peterw42]

2 minutes ago, MadMac said:

Yes, sure, but you do it only once, pay that 800B and thats it. Why bother with that garbage every single time?

you only have to worry about one TM30, the one you do just before visiting immigration, thats the only one they will ask for.

[RBOP]

1 minute ago, MadMac said:

Yes, sure, but you do it only once, pay that 800B and thats it. Why bother with that garbage every single time?

This is a good point. The agent I had with me on my last immigration visit told me just don't report TM30 and pay the fine next year so don't waste time. But now I'm hearing they wont accept a 90 day report without a TM30. Sad situation. 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Where I come from Thai folk do not have to report anywhere if they have a visa and can travel anywhere without fear of a tap on the shoulder, it is a free country.

In this country planting a seed of common sense "may" tweak a few gray cells, but as I thought in the beginning it would be doubtful finding those gray cells..

You can travel freely here to as long as you live up to the requirements and go by the rules. Regarding the cells. Do you have own experience of searching after thoose, or is it only a thought like you write?

[MadMac]

Just now, RBOP said:

This is a good point. The agent I had with me on my last immigration visit told me just don't report TM30 and pay the fine next year so don't waste time. But now I'm hearing they wont accept a 90 day report without a TM30. Sad situation. 

The TM47 you can do online, at least this works ????

[charliebadenhop]

Replying again...

The link sent takes me to a page that does not allow for downloading the app.

[johnarth]

4 hours ago, baansgr said:

But most countries are forward thinking and adapt to progress.TM30 is in place to counteract terrorism. I cant remember hearing of a Weaterner orchestrating a terrorist act in Thailand, yet in the South terrorist attacks happen on a daily basis.....all by Thais...its moot anyway as criminala just dont bother doing them.

exactly but the Thai gov pretend that the Thais are Muslim terrorists from another country that is why the Thai army can not catch them

[RBOP]

1 minute ago, MadMac said:

The TM47 you can do online, at least this works ????

I would not be surprised they are working on the Online system to link to the 2. 

[theonetrueaussie]

you guys need to stop complaining and just deal with it, This is law for you parolees!! Don't worry coming soon will be weekly checkins with immigration and weekly drug testing!!

[holy cow cm]

28 minutes ago, TG911 said:

With all due respect. If you have lived here long enough, you know what the Thai way is. 

 

And it's not a Western style petition, unheard of in Thailand and undermines their authority. And it fires backwards.

Look at the response, you can't deny this. How effective is it? If nothing else, now you got more attention and enforcement.

 

I don't like that system, you are putting this words into my mouth. You honestly think I believe the TM30 is a great idea and I'm happy with it?

Come on.

 

I'm not going to apologize if I read the Thai's in a different way and try not to apply my Western common sense to them. It just never works.

That's the first lesson we all learn here.

 

 

 

Edited. I hope too that the Thai officials are not upset and become irate over foreigners bringing their concerns up to them. Not that the TM 30 needs to be completely wiped out for tourists, but it certainly can be better structured for all the others.

Edited August 16, 2019 by holy cow cm

[MadMac]

Just now, RBOP said:

I would not be surprised they are working on the Online system to link to the 2. 

Unlikely, the amateurs that programmed the TM47 were still working with Internet Explorer. Microsoft phased out Windows XP since then ????

[bikerbri]

It's a tracking device. Criminals released from prison have to go on probation and report to their probation officer at predetermined times and ask permission to move from their normal home address. They see All us foreigners as criminals in residing in their country. Why is there no tracking of Thai criminals?

[ToddinChonburi]

Just stay at one of the fine illegal hotels they will never report you.

[Mansell]

The TM30 is moderately annoying to me. The most annoying thing is the lack of consistency between all the Immigration Offices throughout the country. I think this should have been pointed out to these head honchos, and how different offices make up their own rules like Phuket and Chiang Mai to name two. And don't even mention the corruption at the offices.

[alan grice]

I have to leave the Province many times a day to visit my province over the river, then return same way . Ah Well , perhaps they may do something clever one day . Like letting Air Asia run Thai Airways and stop loosing Thai descent folks money.


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