partners mother, wants land and home back

[john thom]

My domestic partner paid off mothers and fathers land and built a home in Sisaket city 30 years ago. She asked all the brother and sisters if they wanted to help, none did.  Her dad signed everything over to her after the payoff. Title for land and home in her name and has been for the last 30 years. Her mother at the edging of the older sister ( who didn't want to help pay for it), now wants it back. I told her that it dosen't sound legal, but this Thailand- any information. I tried looking up on internet, but not too helpful-

[BritManToo]

Just now, john thom said:

Her mother at the edging of the older sister ( who didn't want to help pay for it), now wants it back.

Tell wife to agree, but never get around to visiting the land office or signing anything.

My (former) MiL put the family farm in my son's name (similar circumstances), 10 years back, the rest of the family were never told either. Nothing they can do when they find out about it.

Edited April 30, 2020 by BritManToo

[pineapple01]

Fools an their Money yet again.

[timendres]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Tell wife to agree, but never get around to visiting the land office or signing anything.

My (former) MiL put the family farm in my son's name (similar circumstances), 10 years back, the rest of the family were never told either. Nothing they can do when they find out about it.

Excellent strategy.

They the hidden agenda behind the transfer can be revealed while there is still time to thwart it.

[scorecard]

17 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Tell wife to agree, but never get around to visiting the land office or signing anything.

My (former) MiL put the family farm in my son's name (similar circumstances), 10 years back, the rest of the family were never told either. Nothing they can do when they find out about it.

Similar, mother and older siblings of my Thai son's wife have mentioned many times that they will sell son's house and land when he dies. They automatically assume that when my son dies the land and house will automatically be the property of his wife and all of her brothers and sisters.

 

My DIL severely dislikes her older siblings and is also quite frightened of them because they are serious bullies.

 

Son acquired his land and house several years before he met and married his wife so she has no automatic claim to the assets.

 

Son and his wife made a different plan, son made a will leaving house and land and all other assets jointly to his 3 daughters (daughters only), and there's a clause saying nothing can be sold until he is dead for 10 years.

 

Plus son put a usufruct on the land and house saying That I can live there until I die, and whilst I am alive it cannot be sold without my written permission.

 

DIL's mother and older siblings have never been told about any of the above, there in for a big shock if son should pass away.

[Captain Monday]

Not sure what the problem is? If she wants the property back give her a good price, being family and all.

Unless you two don't want to sell, then tell her to find another house.

[baansgr]

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Not sure what the problem is? If she wants the property back give her a good price, being family and all.

Unless you two don't want to sell, then tell her to find another house.

Straight to the point and great advice...

[john thom]

5 hours ago, timendres said:

Excellent strategy.

They the hidden agenda behind the transfer can be revealed while there is still time to thwart it.

there was nothing hidden about it. All done legal in the land office. She's had some loans on the land that has been paid off and shows on back of title

[john thom]

5 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Not sure what the problem is? If she wants the property back give her a good price, being family and all.

Unless you two don't want to sell, then tell her to find another house.

Partner is going to give it to her daughter and son, Told her the same thing- don't think her mom or sister have a leg to stand on- not after 30 years of property being in her sole name-

[4MyEgo]

9 minutes ago, john thom said:

Partner is going to give it to her daughter and son, Told her the same thing- don't think her mom or sister have a leg to stand on- not after 30 years of property being in her sole name-

I would agree.

 

My wife purchased some land of her aunty a while back, e.g. her mother asked my wife to help her out as she needed the money quickly, wife asked my thoughts, I said nope, you have enough land, she said her mum would throw in her 2.5 rai that was adjoining her aunties land, for free, I still said nope, she said, but I have to help her, I said, no you don't, she is your auntie, and she is in a bind, now, you asked me, and I have told you, I will go one step further, if you do buy it, get it registered as you being the new owner with your mums 2.5 rai as well before you hand over the money, ok she said, I will. I then said, make sure, because Thai's are renowned for pulling quick ones, doesn't matter if it's your mum or your auntie.

 

Guess who purchased the auties land without the extra 2.5 rai from her mother.....lol, suffice to say when her mum needed some money as a loan later down the track, she said she would sign over her 2.5 rai to my wife, I said, oh the 2.5 rai that you are already supposed to own....lol, I said so are you going to loan her the money, she said, you were right, I already told her I have no more money and that I only live off what you give me, smart girl. The mother ended up porning her beloved gold and was dirty with my wife for not helping her out, again.

 

My wife took it hard, her own mother stiffed her, at least she has learned, albeit the hard way, no doubt mum is also learning the hard way, never stiff your daughter mum, and those rumbling pains in your stomach, well, there going to be around for a long time to come, trust me, I mean my wife ????

  

[timendres]

2 hours ago, john thom said:

there was nothing hidden about it. All done legal in the land office. She's had some loans on the land that has been paid off and shows on back of title

 

I meant, what is the agenda behind this:

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Her mother at the edging of the older sister ( who didn't want to help pay for it), now wants it back.

 

 

[roo860]

9 hours ago, pineapple01 said:

Fools an their Money yet again.

Which fools?

[john thom]

14 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I would agree.

 

My wife purchased some land of her aunty a while back, e.g. her mother asked my wife to help her out as she needed the money quickly, wife asked my thoughts, I said nope, you have enough land, she said her mum would throw in her 2.5 rai that was adjoining her aunties land, for free, I still said nope, she said, but I have to help her, I said, no you don't, she is your auntie, and she is in a bind, now, you asked me, and I have told you, I will go one step further, if you do buy it, get it registered as you being the new owner with your mums 2.5 rai as well before you hand over the money, ok she said, I will. I then said, make sure, because Thai's are renowned for pulling quick ones, doesn't matter if it's your mum or your auntie.

 

Guess who purchased the auties land without the extra 2.5 rai from her mother.....lol, suffice to say when her mum needed some money as a loan later down the track, she said she would sign over her 2.5 rai to my wife, I said, oh the 2.5 rai that you are already supposed to own....lol, I said so are you going to loan her the money, she said, you were right, I already told her I have no more money and that I only live off what you give me, smart girl. The mother ended up porning her beloved gold and was dirty with my wife for not helping her out, again.

 

My wife took it hard, her own mother stiffed her, at least she has learned, albeit the hard way, no doubt mum is also learning the hard way, never stiff your daughter mum, and those rumbling pains in your stomach, well, there going to be around for a long time to come, trust me, I mean my wife ????

  

yeah, my thought exactly.  My partner has the title for land and home on the land . So mom and sister can kiss off as far as I care-

[john thom]

11 hours ago, timendres said:

 

I meant, what is the agenda behind this:

 

her sister is behind it. her mom loves her sisters family more than my partners ( sad, but true). Sister had homes, cars everything, but very lazy and lost everything. My partner built a business ( selling a Isan noddle soup) that bought and paid for land, 2 homes, 8 rai of rice land, put her daughter through college. her sister didn't want to have anything to do with business because of hard work- they all can get fuc-ed.

[Fairynuff]

Precisely why I maintain that I never buy anything that doesn’t have MY name on the document 

[Stevemercer]

All the above seems like good advice with three clear options. But, first, make sure your partner has 100% sole and legal title to the property (don't just take her word for it).

 

If your partner doesn't want the land then name a fair price for mother/sister to buy.

 

If your partner wants the land then don't sell or give away.

 

If your partner wants to keep the land, but wants to keep the peace with her Mum and sister, say she will look at transferring the land. But stall and do nothing final. If she wants to be seen as doing something then take a few steps like getting the Land Office to do a proper survey (3 month delay), do some minor works/improvements to fix up the land (another 3 months), plant some minor crops that need to be harvested first (4 months), put up a shack 'selling' product that 'adds value' to the land. Maybe dig a pond and do a little filling on a corner of the property etc.

 

All these above can be done with minimal costs and look like the land is needed, is being actively used, and is worth more than the mother/sister may be prepared to pay. 

[Rookiescot]

OK tell the family how much you and your wife want in order to sell it back.

If the siblings are as good as their word they will come up with the cash. IF on the other hand they are simply trying to cash in for when the old girl kicks the bucket they will not come up with the cash.

Not a betting man but I suspect the latter will be the case.

[john thom]

28 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

All the above seems like good advice with three clear options. But, first, make sure your partner has 100% sole and legal title to the property (don't just take her word for it).

 

If your partner doesn't want the land then name a fair price for mother/sister to buy.

 

If your partner wants the land then don't sell or give away.

 

If your partner wants to keep the land, but wants to keep the peace with her Mum and sister, say she will look at transferring the land. But stall and do nothing final. If she wants to be seen as doing something then take a few steps like getting the Land Office to do a proper survey (3 month delay), do some minor works/improvements to fix up the land (another 3 months), plant some minor crops that need to be harvested first (4 months), put up a shack 'selling' product that 'adds value' to the land. Maybe dig a pond and do a little filling on a corner of the property etc.

 

All these above can be done with minimal costs and look like the land is needed, is being actively used, and is worth more than the mother/sister may be prepared to pay. 

yeah, she dosen't want to get rid of the land- so older sister and mother can kiss off-

[AgMech Cowboy]

22 hours ago, john thom said:

Her dad signed everything over to her after the payoff.

Done and dusted. (Who lives there?)

[AgMech Cowboy]

22 hours ago, BritManToo said:

My (former) MiL put the family farm in my son's name (similar circumstances), 10 years back, the rest of the family were never told either. Nothing they can do when they find out about it.

If they are farming the land without a 'contract' and your son has nothing to do with it, there is a way for them to 'claim' the land. I know nothing about this process, but read a thread on TV in the past year about a family that was able to claim the land after farming it for 10 years.

[BobBKK]

Can't see what the problem is?  no is the answer right?

[Baerboxer]

Similar circumstances. Mum and Dad wanted to rebuild their Isaan house and return to live their and farm again. We gave them money and they signed over couple of pieces of land. They still owned several more for farming. Older sister was furious and claimed we should pay more now because the land is more valuable now than when we bought it 16 years ago! She waited until her Dad was dead and then pushed her Mum on. Anything we ever game the parents she tried and grabbed - lazy and has so far had 2 alcoholics and 1 druggie as husbands.

 

My wife puts them firmly in their place whether they like it or not. Otherwise I'm afraid the demands will get more and more. The mentality is "loans" they ask for are really gifts and don't ever have to be paid back; they are entitled to anything and everything they want; you rich farang so should support all the family and cannot loose face in their eyes by saying no. 

 

Don't play them at their games. Treat them as spoiled selfish children.

[Baerboxer]

37 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

If they are farming the land without a 'contract' and your son has nothing to do with it, there is a way for them to 'claim' the land. I know nothing about this process, but read a thread on TV in the past year about a family that was able to claim the land after farming it for 10 years.

 

Indeed. If they use land or put any buildings etc, live on it, for 10 years they can claim ownership. 

 

Have had relatives try this on with some of wifey's land.

[lensta]

22 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Not sure what the problem is? If she wants the property back give her a good price, being family and all.

Unless you two don't want to sell, then tell her to find another house.

"My domestic partner paid off mothers and fathers land and built a home in Sisaket city 30 years ago"

 

I don't know, maybe this maybe might be the problem.

[timendres]

2 hours ago, john thom said:

her sister is behind it. her mom loves her sisters family more than my partners ( sad, but true). Sister had homes, cars everything, but very lazy and lost everything. My partner built a business ( selling a Isan noddle soup) that bought and paid for land, 2 homes, 8 rai of rice land, put her daughter through college. her sister didn't want to have anything to do with business because of hard work- they all can get fuc-ed.

Sounds like your girl is a keeper.

[Thingamabob]

23 hours ago, scorecard said:

Similar, mother and older siblings of my Thai son's wife have mentioned many times that they will sell son's house and land when he dies. They automatically assume that when my son dies the land and house will automatically be the property of his wife and all of her brothers and sisters.

 

My DIL severely dislikes her older siblings and is also quite frightened of them because they are serious bullies.

 

Son acquired his land and house several years before he met and married his wife so she has no automatic claim to the assets.

 

Son and his wife made a different plan, son made a will leaving house and land and all other assets jointly to his 3 daughters (daughters only), and there's a clause saying nothing can be sold until he is dead for 10 years.

 

Plus son put a usufruct on the land and house saying That I can live there until I die, and whilst I am alive it cannot be sold without my written permission.

 

DIL's mother and older siblings have never been told about any of the above, there in for a big shock if son should pass away.

Watch your back. 

[john thom]

1 hour ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Done and dusted. (Who lives there?)

her daughter and husband

[john thom]

1 hour ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

If they are farming the land without a 'contract' and your son has nothing to do with it, there is a way for them to 'claim' the land. I know nothing about this process, but read a thread on TV in the past year about a family that was able to claim the land after farming it for 10 years.

not farm land. city plot she had home built  - put in her name 30 yrs ago all legal- don't think she has anything to worry about-

[john thom]

49 minutes ago, timendres said:

Sounds like your girl is a keeper.

yup, got a good one-

[Titan1962]

Just remind them your partner called them all 30 yrears ago,and asked them to help pay off the loan to help mom and dad. But also mention that they all refused to help. Because it’s family and things might get ugly,offer them their share of the value of the property at what it was worth 30 years ago. Let’s say the valuation on the property was 1,000,000 baht,the parents owed 600,000 baht. Give them a share of the 400,000 baht the mom and dad owned. Better off trying to keep some sort of peace,as we all know how crazy Thais get when money is involved.