Why are people staying in Thailand when then can't meet TI's financial requirements?

[BritManToo]

Just now, Jackie66 said:

just one?  Family

Do you mean like ...... your son came here as a sex tourist, and you came here to be with him.

I do know one elderly NZ lady that did that, unfortunately her son promptly died, leaving her stuck here.

[JTXR]

Why would someone want to live here?  It is possible to live a decent (not luxurious, but decent) life on well less than the 65K/month income TI requires.  And probably a better life than can be lived in many rich countries at that same income level. 

Why would someone risk using an agent doing illegal things to live here with lower than required income?  That's another question, and I guess the answer is desperation and/or low personal standards.

[transam]

1 minute ago, JTXR said:

Why would someone want to live here?  It is possible to live a decent (not luxurious, but decent) life on well less than the 65K/month income TI requires.  And probably a better life than can be lived in many rich countries at that same income level. 

Why would someone risk using an agent doing illegal things to live here with lower than required income?  That's another question, and I guess the answer is desperation and/or low personal standards.

I say ol' chap, "low personal standards", that's a bit of a 'below the belt' assumption, isn't it.?

I guess you're posh.....????

[CorpusChristie]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Do you mean like ...... your son came here as a sex tourist, and you came here to be with him.

I do know one elderly NZ lady that did that, unfortunately her son promptly died, leaving her stuck here.

You just gotta be trolling 

[Jackie66]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Do you mean like ...... your son came here as a sex tourist, and you came here to be with him.

I do know one elderly NZ lady that did that, unfortunately her son promptly died, leaving her stuck here.

Not sure what kind of circle of friends you have and people you associate with but no that is not what i meant.

[biggles45]

I have a friend who is 84 and has been here 20+ years. He has a Thai wife and 2 boys, one of which is his. His pension is less than the amount required for a marriage extension so he uses an agent with 'connections' 

 

Why does he stay? Primarily because he accepts his responsibilities to his family. He made a choice and accepted it. He has nothing to go back to in his home country and the cost of living, rent, food etc would be too much. 

 

[AgMech Cowboy]

On 8/6/2020 at 1:11 PM, 86Tiger said:

But what do I know?

You know nothing, John Snow.  (and if you don't know who John Snow is, you've emphasized my point).

[JTXR]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

I say ol' chap, "low personal standards", that's a bit of a 'below the belt' assumption, isn't it.?

I guess you're posh.....????

I meant low personal standards in justifying to oneself breaking the law and abetting corruption, not in the living conditions one is willing to have.  Posh is not a word we Americans use a lot.  Does it mean a person who has high standards when it comes to honesty?

[how241]

They might not have the money to go anywhere else.  Live and let live !!   It's their life,  their choice. 

[RJRS1301]

On 8/6/2020 at 1:03 PM, dimitriv said:

I know several people who make enough to live, but do not meet the monthly income requirements and do not have enough money to put 400/800k in a bank account. 

For some the money held in an overseas account is possibly earning interest rates higher and has greater degree of security if government chaos occurs further in Thailand.

Try getting money out from Thailand if you want to leave

 

[bkk6060]

5 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I dont do "short time" and dont have sex with strangers .

Actually, after an hour they are no longer strangers.  ????

Pretty funny though.

Can't even remember how many guys have been married for several years then it turns sour and their comment is: I don't even know her, my wife is a stranger to me.

Better to be with a stranger for an hour then with one in a flawed failing relationship.

Edited August 7, 2020 by bkk6060

[from the home of CC]

they should not count on this avenue being open forever and imo many on this site are in for a very rude surprise..

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎8‎/‎6‎/‎2020 at 12:53 PM, BritManToo said:

Say's who?

Thais are happy enough living on 9k/month in 7-11/Tesco/BigC, etc.

Why can't we be happy living on the same amount?

People have debts, live with others in the same room. What a joy.

On the other hand, if you have never lived a luxury life, you don't know about the fine things that are around. 

Edited August 7, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[Kurtf]

The same reason people the world over do not obey laws. They have no respect for authorities or the laws authorities enact.

[FritsSikkink]

21 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

800,000 / 12 months = 66,666THB per month.

I think we can all agree that it's possible to spend a lot less than that and still live comfortable.

Nope

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I would consider it more "Thai greed"

I've never expected anyone to come to my rescue, but will admit some hospitals trying to charge us 10x more because we're white does cause a few problems for a few unwary foreigners ....... more Thai greed. 

 

I don't understand why you think a foreigner trying to live on say 20k/month (Brit state pension) is taking advantage of anyone, that's more than double what most working Thais have to live on, and Thai state pensioners only get 700bht/month max. My personal generosity provides another 3k/month for my kids grandma, and she lives very well as a pensioner on 3,700bht/month.

Thai government workers get a lot more than you. Bit sad if you have to compare your financial status to the poorest in the country.

Edited August 7, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[NoshowJones]

Why are people staying in Thailand when then can't meet TI's financial requirements?

Could it maybe because the the financial requirements are very unfair? If a Thai person is living very comfortably on 15.000 Bt per month, why should a western person need to

have 40.000?

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

I can get a wine cooler from my local mom and pop shop for 37 Baht , or I can get a large Chang for 50 Baht in my local bar, served by a pretty in a Chang uniform and I pay my girlfriend 10 000 Baht a month to pretend to be my wife and I get 50 cent beers when I go to Cambodia and rent for 500 Baht a night and when I have a accident, I go to a government hospital and get everything done for 30 Baht

"I go to a government hospital and get everything done for 30 Baht".  Are you sure about that? What province are you in?

Edited 21 hours ago by CorpusChristie

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Jackie66 said:

Not sure what kind of circle of friends you have and people you associate with but no that is not what i meant.

Thailand is a bit of a poophole, if it weren't for cheap women women of lower expectations there's not much reason to come here. And yes I realise the usual sad and confused crowd will be upset, but they all seem to be living with a Thai woman, life in denial must be wonderful. Maybe I should replace 'cheap women' with 'women of lower expectations', but I expect they'd still be sad or confused.

 

I've never understood why the few odd western women wash up here, when they get to the stage where they're telling me they can't find the right man, I always excuse myself saying I have to meet my 20 year old Thai girlfriend.

 

Same for the schoolteachers, they could be earning decent money and a pension in their home countries, plenty of demand for schoolteachers in the west.

Edited August 7, 2020 by BritManToo

[Bangkok Barry]

On 8/6/2020 at 10:03 AM, dimitriv said:

I know several people who make enough to live, but do not meet the monthly income requirements and do not have enough money to put 400/800k in a bank account. 

And I'm pretty sure there are many millions back home who wouldn't keep that amount of money in the bank there either. Remember how many who were put out of work by the virus were claiming they could only survive for a month or two? So why Thailand demands it I have no idea. As you say, there are plenty who survive here without having that amount in the bank. I am very reluctant to keep that money in Thailand and I'd far rather keep it in Farangland.

[OneMoreFarang]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've never understood why the few odd western women wash up here, when they get to the stage where they're telling me they can't find the right man, I always excuse myself saying I have to meet my 20 year old Thai girlfriend.

Obviously they are also looking for pretty Thai girls.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously they are also looking for pretty Thai girls.

It seems unlikely to me.

Most women I've met (from any country) over 40 don't seem all that bothered about sex.

Usually they've got a cat or a dog for cuddles and company.

Edited August 7, 2020 by BritManToo

[Eindhoven]

7 hours ago, checkered flag said:

OK. Its up to you but I use my AC every night. Our entire upstairs has AC but only the kitchen downstairs has AC. My wife and I worked hard and have good pensions so we can afford it. Our PEA bill might be 4-5000 baht but still cheaper than back home. 

My question is that living so cheaply how do you handle emergencies that occur? 

I'm glad you take pride in your cheapness. Having a little more provides us the opportunity to help others in need and or our community. 

 

Do you imagine that you are the only one here who helps others in need? 

Yet you are the only one here sneering at others and attempting to boast about what you have. Why is that?

We are all different. Not all aspiring to the same lifestyle.

Some would be happy seeing out their days in a bamboo shack on the beach, whilst others would be content with nothing less than a 350 sq m house or apartment facing the sea.

 

So there is really no need to boast and sneer.  I never owned a Mercedes or Volvo, but that is because I have never coveted such things. Yet, I have been able to travel the world unfettered for the past 30 years.

Certainly not something that you were able to do, since you had to work. So I might choose to look down on you as a lowly worker.

 

But people who feel the need to look down on others in order to feel superior are, IMHO, the most pathetic of all.

 

We can learn a lot from the man who is self sufficient, without the trappings of wealth.  If I look down on anyone, it's upon the people who boast on here.

 

If the people without a lump sum of cash to sit idle, can live here without being a burden to others, more power to them. May they live long, happy and fruitful lives.

I look at the character, not at the clothing.

[JTXR]

48 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

And I'm pretty sure there are many millions back home who wouldn't keep that amount of money in the bank there either. Remember how many who were put out of work by the virus were claiming they could only survive for a month or two? So why Thailand demands it I have no idea.

Thais, whatever their income level, have an absolute right to live in Thailand due to their citizenship.  Foreigners don't.  Thailand doesn't much care at what level foreigners can survive, or what quality of life foreigners can accept, they simply want foreigners to bring in a significant amount of foreign exchange and either park it in a bank or spend it.  Not hard to understand.  Most countries have similar requirements.

Edited August 7, 2020 by JTXR

[checkered flag]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

In both Countries, the interest rates are pitiful , not really worth being concerned about .

Its the exchange rates you need to be concerned about , if the Pound goes to 50 Baht, you would lose 30 % of your Pounds 

It is more likely the pound will continue to fall.

[shackleton]

When the tourist Amnesty is up end of September

Should be interesting to see how some of the overstayers explain their reasons to the immigration personnel

If its a border issue okay if it involves flights out .?

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

It is more likely the pound will continue to fall.

The Pound has been quite stable for the last 18 months

[transam]

1 hour ago, JTXR said:

I meant low personal standards in justifying to oneself breaking the law and abetting corruption, not in the living conditions one is willing to have.  Posh is not a word we Americans use a lot.  Does it mean a person who has high standards when it comes to honesty?

https://www.google.com/search?q=posh+meaning&rlz=1C1GCEA_enTH899TH899&oq=posh+me&aqs=chrome.1.0l2j69i57j0l5.6224j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[bogozy]

The value of financial requirements are very high. For example, i invested for buy a seaside home, a and a nice car. I need a monthly allowance about 15.000 THB to live, a nice level. I am not smoking, no alcoholist, no bar goers. 

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

Actually, after an hour they are no longer strangers.  ????

Pretty funny though.

Can't even remember how many guys have been married for several years then it turns sour and their comment is: I don't even know her, my wife is a stranger to me.

Better to be with a stranger for an hour then with one in a flawed failing relationship.

I got my own place where I live on my own , moneys not an issue , the availability of females isnt an issue  , just seem to have gotton bored of the mechanical aspect of it .

  Much prefer to participate with a horny female , rather than one who needs a dinner