Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

I hope that helps.

No

 

There has always been a victory for the Leave voters since day one, after the Referendum.

 

Nothing changed.

 

There is no new victory.

 

Of course if some still want to proclaim daily " We won the Referendum in 2016", fair enough.

 

There also daily some Remain voters who claim, since the results of the Referendum, that Brexit is a bad idea.

 

Yes gone are the days when Mr Barnier could just snap his fingers and T May would go rushing off to Brussels, then to be ridiculed and embarrassed by the snide EU council. Today Barnier comes rushing to our Capital to beg for a deal from Gun Boat Boris.????????????

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Yes gone are the days when Mr Barnier could just snap his fingers and T May would go rushing off to Brussels, then to be ridiculed and embarrassed by the snide EU council. Today Barnier comes rushing to our Capital to beg for a deal from Gun Boat Boris.????????????

 

When other EU leaders are refusing to take your phone calls you can work out where in the pecking order you stand.

 

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Today Barnier comes rushing to our Capital to beg for a deal from Gun Boat Boris.

 

Fair enough, I should say.

 

Last time it was Mr. Jonhson who rushed to Brussels, on the invitation of Mrs. von der Leyen, to have a fish dinner.

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Fair enough, I should say.

 

Last time it was Mr. Jonhson who rushed to Brussels, on the invitation of Mrs. von der Leyen, to have a fish dinner.

Correct, she invited him to her plaice.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Correct, she invited him to her plaice.

Rather comical.

16 hours ago, vinny41 said:

You were discussing the EU  contingency proposals  that contain the agreement of a level playing field

Which you claim is garbage 

And the Guardian,BBC and Sky news state the EU  contingency proposals  do contain  the agreement of a level playing field as part of the mini deals

EU makes fishing and transport no-deal offers in return for 'level playing field'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/10/raab-eu-must-make-substantial-shift-for-brexit-talks-to-succeed

Brexit: EU sets out plans in case trade talks with UK fail

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

Brexit: EU risks fresh fishing row with UK over no-deal contingency plans

Meanwhile, parts of the mini-deals offered by the EU to the UK contain the same demands for so-called level playing field provisions that have been - along with fishing rights - such a contentious aspect of post-Brexit trade negotiations.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-eu-proposes-no-deal-contingency-measures-for-plans-lorries-and-fishing-boats-12156764

You are perfectly free to interpret anything you read in any way you want, doesn't make it fact.

 

The so called "Australian terms" is another Bojo lie.

The UK cannot leave on "Australian terms", although there is a high probability that will be where they end up.

Australia already has a multitude of agreements with the EU so the UK cannot possibly be in the same position Jan 1st. Australia is currently trying to negotiate an FTA with the EU, something else the UK is about to abandon.

If Australia doesn't like it's arrangement with the EU, why would the UK?

 

Going back on what is promised has become so common with the brexit brigade that people now see it as par for the course.

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

When other EU leaders are refusing to take your phone calls you can work out where in the pecking order you stand.

 

You're a switchboard operator too....????

57 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I will remind you again but for many people who voted for Brexit meant leaving the EU and the ECJ, customs Union and single market.

That would be fair enough if that was what had been the objective and put on the ballot paper.

But it wasn't, and business was was promised access to the single market, haven't the UK been negotiating for the last 4 years for preferential access to that market. I take it selective memory has removed TM's dealings with the Japanese.

The whole cake and cherries came about because the UK want the market without following the rules, contradicts your idea of what brexit meant.

15 minutes ago, transam said:

You're a switchboard operator too....????

 

No he only isn't in denial about something that made the headlines.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/11/boris-johnson-snubbed-by-merkel-and-macron-after-requesting-phone-calls-about-brexit-deal

UK prime minister Boris Johnson tried to set up calls with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French president Emmanuel Macron to discuss a Brexit deal but was rebuffed to present a united front, it has emerged.

Johnson attempted to arrange calls with the leaders of the European Union's two biggest economies on Monday ahead of his crunch talks over dinner with European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels.

 

 

A senior EU official confirmed that the request had been made but that the UK premier had been refused and told that all negotiations must be done through the European Commission.

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10 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/11/boris-johnson-snubbed-by-merkel-and-macron-after-requesting-phone-calls-about-brexit-deal

UK prime minister Boris Johnson tried to set up calls with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French president Emmanuel Macron to discuss a Brexit deal but was rebuffed to present a united front, it has emerged.

Something as futile as UVDL reaching out to Sturgeon to negotiate a trade deal. I’m surprised after 5 years he still doesn’t get who he’s negotiating with. 

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Something as futile as UVDL reaching out to Sturgeon to negotiate a trade deal. I’m surprised after 5 years he still doesn’t get who he’s negotiating with. 

UVDL is very much like Nero fiddling as Rome burned except she is fiddling as the German cars start to rot in their respective compounds and Macrons ego is about to take one almighty tumble, but but but Boris tried to work something out and we ignored him, bwah bwah bwah.

There are certainly some disillusioned people on here who think exiting the European Union will be the best thing since sliced bread

Will see how things start this week coming when a No deal is announced 

I will try and remain  on a Positive vibe but can only see Negatives

Hopefully I am proved wrong 

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

Boris tried to work something out

As he did with Covid. Not a good year for trying-hard-Boris. 

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

As he did with Covid. Not a good year for trying-hard-Boris. 

See what you did there, when stuck throw a covid comment in. 

 

And the EU sang 'nearer my god to thee' as the ship went down', don't forget to salute now.????

 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

See what you did there, when stuck throw a covid comment in. 

 

And the EU sang 'nearer my god to thee' as the ship went down', don't forget to salute now.????

 

See what you did there, when stuck label a Boris comment a Covid comment. 

15 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

As he did with Covid. Not a good year for trying-hard-Boris. 

You blame the PM and not those out there on the streets snubbing advice....Typical.

You blame the PM when no EU-UK agreement is sorted yet, .......... .................Typical.

The world seems to be opening up signing agreements with post Brexit UK, no comment from you on that..Typical.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

See what you did there, when stuck label a Boris comment a Covid comment. 

Well you don't seem to have much left in your powder pouch worth using or noting.....????

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

And the EU sang 'nearer my god to thee' as the ship went down', don't forget to salute now

It may happen.

One never know, there is no guarantee.

Despite that The Titanic 

was build in Belfast, chief designer the Briton Thomas Andrews Jr., operated by the British shipping company White Star Line, it sank on the first voyage.

20 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

I wonder if in 5 years time we will be able to find anyone who will admit they voted for Brexit. ????

Of course for the next two years we will need to put up with them blaming everyone and anything except themselves for Brexit happening.  

Same ol' record, but, same could be said for YOUR Scottish Independence campaign......????

Lest wait and see if the Brits keep their promise. Probably not as BJ is untrustworthy. I bet he wont pull out, tomorrow we will know there is either a deal or BJ pulls out or BJ is lying. I am thinking it will be option 3.

 

Monday we will know. 

7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

It may happen.

One never know, there is no guarantee.

Despite that The Titanic 

was build in Belfast, chief designer the Briton Thomas Andrews Jr., operated by the British shipping company White Star Line, it sank on the first voyage.

Because the Iceberg did not give way to Titanic by diverting his course  ..... just as now with brexit ...E.U. keeps on course...

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I bet he wont pull out,

....much to the annoyance of a number of women, I imagine.

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Because the Iceberg did not give way to Titanic by diverting his course  ..... just as now with brexit ...E.U. keeps on course...

You are right, the EU is on course for the U.S of G., enjoy it, well you have too, as you have no way out...????

35 minutes ago, transam said:

Same ol' record, but, same could be said for YOUR Scottish Independence campaign......????

Will you be shedding a little tear when we hand over some of our sovereignty to the WTO? 

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Will you be shedding a little tear when we hand over some of our sovereignty to the WTO? 

Be more like bum burps.......????

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Will you be shedding a little tear when we hand over some of our sovereignty to the WTO? 

And receiving multiple  other benefits in return ....., as now a row about fishing  and already a big quota can keep fishing by the sell out from your own U.K. government before ...... ll this for Bris own ego boosting .... not for the common people 

 

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

And receiving multiple  other benefits in return ....., as now a row about fishing  and already a big quota can keep fishing by the sell out from your own U.K. government before ...... ll this for Bris own ego boosting .... not for the common people 

 

"Multiple other benefits"......Weeell, the UK won't be doing that any more, will they, you will.......????

40 minutes ago, transam said:

Be more like bum burps.......????

 

Yup WTO. Bunch of unelected Johnny Foreigners telling us what we can do.