Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

[david143]

@ my amphur some ting tong he even don't know that people get citizenship in this way too.

they ask 7 days for verification

[kst]

1 hour ago, david143 said:

@ my amphur some ting tong he even don't know that people get citizenship in this way too.

they ask 7 days for verification

Same. Most didnt had a clue and we were given run-around. Cant fault them though as they were really "chirpy" and seemed excited to help / find out more. Finally landed at someone who had the knowledge but he needed time to do up paperwork or so he claimed. 

[Neeranam]

17 hours ago, david143 said:

today i  have Received a my Certificate .
 

Wonderful ????????

[david143]

18 hours ago, kst said:

Update 01 Sept - Collected cert today at SB then headed direct to district office. Given the "run-around" there until someone took up our case. Interviewed us and said will call us to come back again once he finished the paperwork (already 4pm after he verified docs etc). He says the next time will move to blue tabien baan and get blue ID same day. 

 

He said it would not take long, exchanged contact numbers and we were along our way. Keeping fingers crossed that not much more red tape to cut.. will update on progress along the way. 

same thing
Staff took my number and copy of Citizenship Certificate, as Certificate mentioned RG details name and Address.

I will wait until monday if they not call i will call them.
there are alot of things to do and i am not in mood to waste time.

 

[david143]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wonderful ????????

Thank you big brother
and also Thank you Gabba Brother

[yankee99]

 

 

forgot to mention when i was at both tesabaan and amphur they asked how much i paid for citizenship. Not sure why they cared but i told them the fee was around ฿5000

[david143]

Just now, yankee99 said:

 

 

forgot to mention when i was at both tesabaan and amphur they asked how much i paid for citizenship. Not sure why they cared but i told them the fee was around ฿5000

they not asked me, but in case they ask i am going to Daa nak maak, this is not their problem , how much we paid, 500THB receipt is already with Certificate,
verify the document and issue ID , and if you want to know how much ask MOI, not us,

the way they behave yesterday at Amphur i am already full of anger and if they not call until monday we are going to daa them really good.

Damn

[heiri007]

47 minutes ago, david143 said:

they not asked me, but in case they ask i am going to Daa nak maak, this is not their problem , how much we paid, 500THB receipt is already with Certificate,
verify the document and issue ID , and if you want to know how much ask MOI, not us,

the way they behave yesterday at Amphur i am already full of anger and if they not call until monday we are going to daa them really good.

Damn

Hope this gets sorted out quickly for you. Looks like different Khet handle it all differently - was already warned about mine. So nearly one month since RG and still no sign of approval for 2nd Aug batch. Fingers crossed.

[Arkady]

1 hour ago, david143 said:

they not asked me, but in case they ask i am going to Daa nak maak, this is not their problem , how much we paid, 500THB receipt is already with Certificate,
verify the document and issue ID , and if you want to know how much ask MOI, not us,

the way they behave yesterday at Amphur i am already full of anger and if they not call until monday we are going to daa them really good.

Damn

Now's the time to keep calm. You are only a few feet from the finishing line and will be over it soon.  DO staff don't deal with this very often and they are not provided with a clear cut manual by DOPA on how to do it and, more importantly, how to verify. There are enough cases of officials getting prosecuted for fraudulently issuing ID cards to Chinese and Burmese to scare them.  There have been cases where DO staff have created obstacles and strongly hinted that they wanted bribes, including the OPs case where he moved temporarily to another Bkk khet to get around it.  But these cases are rare. 

 

I would say reserve your anger for officials clearly hinting that they want bribes.  Tolerate the usual Thai incompetence and slowness with a smile, knowing you will soon get what you want. If they ask questions about how much you paid, just consider it normal nosy Thai culture like asking childless couples why they don't have children. You can just pass on publicly available information on cost, e.g. 5,000 for application fee and 500 for certificate.  Most Thais don't believe it is possible for farangs to become Thai or that it must cost a sh1tload of dosh. Since the whole country is a cesspool of corruption, it is hard for people to imagine that citizenship is any different.    

 

[david143]

2 minutes ago, Arkady said:

Now's the time to keep calm. You are only a few feet from the finishing line and will be over it soon.  DO staff don't deal with this very often and they are not provided with a clear cut manual by DOPA on how to do it and, more importantly, how to verify. There are enough cases of officials getting prosecuted for fraudulently issuing ID cards to Chinese and Burmese to scare them.  There have been cases where DO staff have created obstacles and strongly hinted that they wanted bribes, including the OPs case where he moved temporarily to another Bkk khet to get around it.  But these cases are rare. 

 

I would say reserve your anger for officials clearly hinting that they want bribes.  Tolerate the usual Thai incompetence and slowness with a smile, knowing you will soon get what you want. If they ask questions about how much you paid, just consider it normal nosy Thai culture like asking childless couples why they don't have children. You can just pass on publicly available information on cost, e.g. 5,000 for application fee and 500 for certificate.  Most Thais don't believe it is possible for farangs to become Thai or that it must cost a sh1tload of dosh. Since the whole country is a cesspool of corruption, it is hard for people to imagine that citizenship is any different.    

 

Thank you Big Brother
Really Appreciated your concern.

 

[DrJoy]

5 hours ago, david143 said:

they not asked me, but in case they ask i am going to Daa nak maak, this is not their problem , how much we paid, 500THB receipt is already with Certificate,
verify the document and issue ID , and if you want to know how much ask MOI, not us,

the way they behave yesterday at Amphur i am already full of anger and if they not call until monday we are going to daa them really good.

Damn

Which khet?

[GarryP]

1 hour ago, DrJoy said:

Which khet?

Prakanong was really quite smooth for me, but then I think they have done quite a few as I have noted many names with addresses in this district announced in the Royal Gazette.

[heiri007]

2 hours ago, GarryP said:

Prakanong was really quite smooth for me, but then I think they have done quite a few as I have noted many names with addresses in this district announced in the Royal Gazette.

Vadhana?

[khongaeng]

I cancelled both my Visa and Work Permit the day after receiving my ID card.  It took 15 minutes to cancel the work permit, it's the same documentation that a company would use to say that a foreign worker has left their company.  No documents were required other than a couple of forms that were provided at the office.  

 

Cancelling my visa took 30 minutes (admittedly it went faster because I have developed friendships with some of the immigration officers in my province, and they were genuinely happy to see that I had received Thai citizenship.  I never paid any bribes or gave any gifts, I was just genuinely friendly every time I went in and after many years, they remembered me.  They wrote a half page note in my passport that my visa was cancelled because I had obtained Thai citizenship, but they did not stamp my visa or re-entry permit VOID. They needed my naturalization certificate, my blue ID card, and my previous nationality passport.  No forms or documents were required.

 

When I left Thailand for the first time on my Thai passport, I got an exit stamp without any questions from the officer in the VIP lane.

 

Big congratulations to all of you that will be getting your Shiny new Blue ID card in the coming weeks!

[kst]

21 hours ago, david143 said:

they not asked me, but in case they ask i am going to Daa nak maak, this is not their problem , how much we paid, 500THB receipt is already with Certificate,
verify the document and issue ID , and if you want to know how much ask MOI, not us,

the way they behave yesterday at Amphur i am already full of anger and if they not call until monday we are going to daa them really good.

Damn

Like most here who have been here a decade or more, I'm sure all of us have encountered some form of red tape / bureaucracy. 

 

Even the yearly extensions of visa / work permit is an example where we have to submit physical copies of docs (coming from where I come from, all data between government agencies are linked and all we have to do is just fill up a form online). However, the very reason why we embarked on this journey to get citizenship is because we now feel part of this society, and thus lets just embrace both the good & bad as we become "kon thai". 

 

Jai yen yen - I'm sure we will all get our Thai IDs. We are already 3-4 yrs in the process, whats another month? 

 

Good luck, stay calm and I'm sure everything will turn out smoothly in the end... 

[david143]

3 minutes ago, kst said:

Like most here who have been here a decade or more, I'm sure all of us have encountered some form of red tape / bureaucracy. 

 

Even the yearly extensions of visa / work permit is an example where we have to submit physical copies of docs (coming from where I come from, all data between government agencies are linked and all we have to do is just fill up a form online). However, the very reason why we embarked on this journey to get citizenship is because we now feel part of this society, and thus lets just embrace both the good & bad as we become "kon thai". 

 

Jai yen yen - I'm sure we will all get our Thai IDs. We are already 3-4 yrs in the process, whats another month? 

 

Good luck, stay calm and I'm sure everything will turn out smoothly in the end... 

Thank Big Brother

[kst]

1 minute ago, david143 said:

Thank Big Brother

Call me a hyprocrite if you will, but I have found out that the best way of getting things done here is with calmness, courtesy and wais.

 

As an example, I have always used work permit to renew my extension of stay, but 2 years back immigration had a new regulation not accepting work permit from a different province (my tabien baan is in bangkok, my work permit in samut prakan). Another foreigner was making a scene and he was sent along his way to prepare 400k in bank docs, while as I was on my last day of visa, explained politely to officers that my work place is only a few km away from my home, albeit with some delay as they consulted higher ups i managed to get my extension the very day. 

 

My wife called me a hypocrite when I went on a long barrage during the car journey back home about how ridiculous the new regulations are. Morale of the story is that keeping calm and courtesy will go a long way to getting things done here. Just my 2 cents. 

[DrJoy]

9 hours ago, khongaeng said:

I cancelled both my Visa and Work Permit the day after receiving my ID card.  It took 15 minutes to cancel the work permit, it's the same documentation that a company would use to say that a foreign worker has left their company.  No documents were required other than a couple of forms that were provided at the office.  

 

Cancelling my visa took 30 minutes (admittedly it went faster because I have developed friendships with some of the immigration officers in my province, and they were genuinely happy to see that I had received Thai citizenship.  I never paid any bribes or gave any gifts, I was just genuinely friendly every time I went in and after many years, they remembered me.  They wrote a half page note in my passport that my visa was cancelled because I had obtained Thai citizenship, but they did not stamp my visa or re-entry permit VOID. They needed my naturalization certificate, my blue ID card, and my previous nationality passport.  No forms or documents were required.

 

When I left Thailand for the first time on my Thai passport, I got an exit stamp without any questions from the officer in the VIP lane.

 

Big congratulations to all of you that will be getting your Shiny new Blue ID card in the coming weeks!

You were the one who had a long gap in your WP? 

[yankee99]

On 9/1/2021 at 10:33 AM, heiri007 said:

Since there is a deadline of 60 days after RG publication, one month already passed... what if?

My SB officer said there's no deadline. 

[Neeranam]

On 9/1/2021 at 9:58 AM, yankee99 said:

Just fwiw i received my naturalization certificate already 

Congratulations ! 

[Neeranam]

On 9/2/2021 at 12:33 PM, Arkady said:

Now's the time to keep calm.

Absolutely, be an obeisant fool until they hand over that blue ID card, then tell them what you think of them ???? 

[Lacrimas]

I know the answer to the question already, probably, but it doesn't hurt to ask:

 

Is there a way for a farang fluent in Thai, married with a Thai national and with kids but not currently working here to get the citizenship? I have an income of over 100k a month but it's coming from rental properties abroad. Thanks

[DrJoy]

44 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

I know the answer to the question already, probably, but it doesn't hurt to ask:

 

Is there a way for a farang fluent in Thai, married with a Thai national and with kids but not currently working here to get the citizenship? I have an income of over 100k a month but it's coming from rental properties abroad. Thanks

No Thai WP, No Citizenship.

You may open a company and start paying yourself salary of 40,000 THB monthly for 3 years. Pay Thai tax on that income for 3 yrs.

After 3 yrs you will be eligible to apply.

[Lacrimas]

13 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

No Thai WP, No Citizenship.

You may open a company and start paying yourself salary of 40,000 THB monthly for 3 years. Pay Thai tax on that income for 3 yrs.

After 3 yrs you will be eligible to apply.

Thanks that's a good idea. I have to hire two Thais though, right?

[DrJoy]

10 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

Thanks that's a good idea. I have to hire two Thais though, right?

I am not sure abt that, perhaps others can tell about company formation.

Your wife can open a company and hire you as an employee.

[DrJoy]

1 hour ago, Lacrimas said:

I know the answer to the question already, probably, but it doesn't hurt to ask:

 

Is there a way for a farang fluent in Thai, married with a Thai national and with kids but not currently working here to get the citizenship? I have an income of over 100k a month but it's coming from rental properties abroad. Thanks

You will need 3 yrs of WP, 3 yrs of PND 91, 3 yrs of visa extension. Married legally with Thai for 3 yrs

Multiple entry visas dont count.

[Dogmatix]

3 hours ago, Lacrimas said:

Thanks that's a good idea. I have to hire two Thais though, right?

4 Thais but they will normally allow you to have just 1 or 2 in the first year of a new company. Some Labour offices may allow this for longer, particularly upcountry, but Bkk is usually quite strict. The Thai staff must be in the social security system which means your wife can’t be one, if she is a shareholder or director because they are not eligible for social security.

[heiri007]

Interesting tidbit, was under the impression that all Thai ID numbers through naturalization start with an 8.

 

In the latest batches are some that start with 6. According to not-always-reliable Wikipedia those indeed are different categories... fat finger syndrome of the typist or what?

 

Anyone?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_identity_card

[OJAS]

19 hours ago, DrJoy said:

hire you as an employee.

Provided that @Lacrimas isn't on a retirement extension (where employment is strictly prohibited), though. But maybe he is on a marriage extension instead.

 

[ubonjoe]

39 minutes ago, heiri007 said:

In the latest batches are some that start with 6. According to not-always-reliable Wikipedia those indeed are different categories... fat finger syndrome of the typist or what?

Those that start with a 6 have a yellow house book.

Those that have a 8 have permanent residency and are in a blue house book.