COVID patients who refuse treatment in field hospitals face legal action

[webfact]

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People who test positive for COVID-19 but refuse to go to a field hospital for treatment may face legal action, the Public Health Ministry has warned.

 

According to deputy public health minister Sathit Pitutecha, 74 patients in Bangkok have refused treatment in field hospitals, instead choosing to stay at home. The patients apparently told health officials they didn't want to stay in a field hospital as they only wanted to stay in private rooms. 

 

However, Mr Sathit said that it is imperative that every COVID-19 patient is taken care of by a medical professional at a certified medical facility, even if the patient is not displaying any symptoms.

 

Mr Sathit told Thai media that many of those who refused treatment at field hospitals were from so-called ‘high-so’ families.

 

Mr Sathit added that those who refuse to be treated at a field hospital are in breach of the measures under the Communicable Diseases Act.

Meanwhile, Sanook reported that most of the patients who have refused treatment are from the cluster discovered at nightlife venues in Thonglor, Bangkok.

 

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[holy cow cm]

Rights? You have the right to be prosecuted, arrested and jailed. That is your right.

[Kaopad999]

9 minutes ago, webfact said:

74 patients in Bangkok have refused treatment in field hospitals, instead choosing to stay at home.

This really angers me.

I wonder what their reasons were for refusing.. Thinking that they're above the law, or what? 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Kaopad999

[fangless]

Just now, Kaopad999 said:

i wonder what their reasons were for refusing?

Would you want to be a "Patient" in one of those field hospitals?

[richard_smith237]

I would also refuse treatment at one of those field hospitals.... 

 

I believe for those who are asymptomatic that isolating at home is more than sufficient. However, I also understand the government make the rules and I have to comply whether I like them or not. 

 

Thus: I would choose to go to a more comfortable hospital.... either pay myself or ‘try’ and get my insurance to pay for it.

 

There is another thread running which indicates insurance may not pay for ‘unnecessary hospitalisation’ for someone who’s tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 but shows no symptoms.

 

Thus: IF in the unlikely event that I have to take a Covid-19 test (i.e. because Wife was exposed in a Supermarket etc), and IF I test positive and am expected to isolate in a ‘field facility’ I would claim a headache, tight chest etc and ensure my Dr signs off on medically necessary treatment so that my insurance will provide cover. 

 

 

 

 

[Kaopad999]

8 minutes ago, fangless said:

Would you want to be a "Patient" in one of those field hospitals?

of course no one wants to be in any type of hospital.

But these regulations have been put in place to slow down and prevent the spread of this horrific virus. and of course take stress away from government hospitals 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Kaopad999

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

This really angers me.

I wonder what their reasons were for refusing.. Thinking that they're above the law, or what? 

 

Would you be happy going to a ‘field facility’ and risking exposure to further variants when mixing with others who have tested positive ????

 

For asymptomatic people there is no reason to isolate anywhere other than at home (and the whole household isolates). 

 

 

[smedly]

does this include government ministers and police 

 

 

I think not - just exactly where are they ???????

[Kaopad999]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus: I would choose to go to a more comfortable hospital.... either pay myself or ‘try’ and get my insurance to pay for it.

 

Then i'm surprised the Hi-So's that are refusing to go to the hospitals didn't instead opt for a nicer hospital. It;s not like they wouldn't be able to afford it. 

[Kaopad999]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Would you be happy going to a ‘field facility’ and risking exposure to further variants when mixing with others who have tested positive ????

 

For asymptomatic people there is no reason to isolate anywhere other than at home (and the whole household isolates). 

 

 

So then what is the point in having field hospitals at all then? 
Surely the point being is so that general hospitals don't run out of beds?

[bluesofa]

13 minutes ago, webfact said:

People who test positive for COVID-19 but refuse to go to a field hospital for treatment may face legal action, the Public Health Ministry has warned.

'may face legal action'

OK, done. next article.

[scubascuba3]

presumably farang will be shipped to the most expensive hospitels available

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Kaopad999 said:

Then i'm surprised the Hi-So's that are refusing to go to the hospitals didn't instead opt for a nicer hospital. It;s not like they wouldn't be able to afford it. 

 

They probably don’t want to pay for that either...    

 

IF I didn’t have insurance and was paying out of my own pocket I would not want to pay ±100,000 baht for treatment I don’t believe necessary. 

 

I don’t like paying for Quarantine upon arrival in Thailand (Quarantine has cost me a total of: 170,000 baht so far and 8 weeks of my life !!) - When I could easily quarantine at home. 

 

I understand the laws / rules exist so I comply, but I don’t like it and fully understand that someone who has no symptoms can quarantine in their own home. 

 

 

Now we know there will be cases where people do not comply, but serious charges can be brought against those who fail.

 

The issue for me with this is the broad spectrum measures because law enforcement is too lazy to operate effectively against those who fail to comply. 

 

 

 

[smedly]

Just now, Kaopad999 said:

Then i'm surprised the Hi-So's that are refusing to go to the hospitals didn't instead opt for a nicer hospital. It;s not like they wouldn't be able to afford it. 

 

at a current rate of almost 10,000 detections a week there will be no room in hospitals 

 

this whole thing needs an urgent review - it is severely flawed 

 

There is no need for asymptomatic people to be detained against their will, most will follow instructions to self isolate 

 

and for those that are being refused tests because they have no symptoms - what about them ?, sounds like a big pile of illogical nonsense - which quite frankly is to be expected 

[mtls2005]

Not that they need it, but with the Emergency Decree in place, I imagine the authorities have pretty much unfettered power.

 

Not sure about the actual law, charges or punishment, but that's never stopped them before so...

[anchadian]

2 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

'may face legal action'

OK, done. next article.

Those with money wouldn't want to mix with the underprivileged.

 

Legal action will never happen.

 

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Would you be happy going to a ‘field facility’ and risking exposure to further variants when mixing with others who have tested positive ????

 

For asymptomatic people there is no reason to isolate anywhere other than at home (and the whole household isolates). 

 

 

So then what is the point in having field hospitals at all then? 
Surely the point being is so that general hospitals don't run out of beds?

 

Good question: 

 

The point of ‘field hospitals’ is to provide facilities in the event that hospitals become full of unwell patients, an overflow facility in much the same way the Nightingale Hospitals were set up in the UK but have never been used. 

 

 

In Thailand, these are not field hospitals, they are field isolation facilities....   they are used to forcefully isolate those who have tested positive, when those same people could isolate at home.

 

Obviously, the ‘field isolation facilities’ are a good measure for those who cannot isolate in their own homes (i.e. shared housing etc), but for those who live in a house with separate rooms or with their own accommodation, room etc... they can easily self isolate. 

 

 

Thus: The issue is not about providing isolation, but about pushing all the positive cases together so its easier to police >>> ultimately the government know their enforcement is pathetic and need to take these additional measures. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by richard_smith237

[Kaopad999]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

and for those that are being refused tests because they have no symptoms - what about them ?

Yikes! 
I didn't realize that... ???? 

[Kaopad999]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Good question: 

 

The point of ‘field hospitals’ is to provide facilities in the event that hospitals become full of unwell patients, an overflow facility in much the same way the Nightingale Hospitals were set up in the UK but have never been used. 

 

 

In Thailand, these are not field hospitals, they are field isolation facilities....   they are used to forcefully isolate those who have tested positive, when those same people could isolate at home.

 

Obviously, the ‘field isolation facilities’ are a good measure for those who cannot isolate in their own homes (i.e. shared housing etc), but for those who live in a house with separate rooms or with their own accommodation, room etc... they can easily self isolate. 

 

 

Thus: The issue is not about providing isolation, but about pushing all the positive cases together so its easier to police >>> ultimately the government know their enforcement is pathetic and need to take these additional measures. 

 

 

 

 

Just out of interest, would the same rules apply to foreigners if they are tested positive? for example Would they be ushered to one of these field hospitals, or would we  have to stay in an  expensive private  hospital? 

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

This really angers me.

I wonder what their reasons were for refusing.. Thinking that they're above the law, or what? 

If they have a mild case and can self isolate forcing them into incarceration is extremely heavy handed.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Just out of interest, would the same rules apply to foreigners if they are tested positive? for example Would they be ushered to one of these field hospitals, or would we  have to stay in an  expensive private  hospital? 

They are being required to go where they have spsce. It could be a field hospital. The cost may be 100k baht.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Yikes! 
I didn't realize that... ???? 

It's not about symptoms. It's about prevention of new infections. Most cases have no or mild symptoms. 

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Not that they need it, but with the Emergency Decree in place, I imagine the authorities have pretty much unfettered power.

 

Not sure about the actual law, charges or punishment, but that's never stopped them before so...

This is similar to what China did.

[Excel]

42 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

This really angers me.

I wonder what their reasons were for refusing.. Thinking that they're above the law, or what? 

Yes they are and as you should realise by now all of the Elite and HISOs are above the law.

[Henryford]

Brown envelope time - sorted.

[MikeyIdea]

47 minutes ago, fangless said:

Would you want to be a "Patient" in one of those field hospitals?

 

Yes of course I would. Rather than killing the elders living with me at home. They have multiple pre-existing conditions. Self-isolation at home is unlikely to work with this highly contagious strain.    

[MikeyIdea]

50 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Would you be happy going to a ‘field facility’ and risking exposure to further variants when mixing with others who have tested positive ????

 

For asymptomatic people there is no reason to isolate anywhere other than at home (and the whole household isolates). 

 

 

 

And the whole household gets it, not isolates. This is the new even more contagious strain

[Yorkshire Tea]

1 minute ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

And the whole household gets it, not isolates. This is the new even more contagious strain

 

The whole household probably already infected by the time you find out you have it ???? 

[Excel]

18 minutes ago, Excel said:

Yes they are and as you should realise by now all of the Elite and HISOs are above the law.

Strange you gave me a "sad" when what I said is born out by everyday reports, here and elsewhere and has been the case for centuries.  Still I suppose, live in cave and you see very little.

[MikeyIdea]

52 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

  47 minutes ago, smedly said:

and for those that are being refused tests because they have no symptoms - what about them ?

 

The Thai government knows very well that the majority have no symptoms, they have for a very long time. Following their strategy with targeted testing, I don't think any asymptomatic who has been near an identified risk or in a risk area is being refused.

 

As you say so, provide evidence please 

Edited April 21, 2021 by MikeyIdea