18 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Yes but 600,000  is 0.0018% of the population and the average age of death is in the upper 70s. Doesn't that count for anything? I just checked the CDC and the deaths for people under 50 is 0.00007273% of the population!! That's for 2020 and now well into 2021. That's less then the number of people that die from traffic accidents every year and who knows what the condition of those people were, most likely numerous health problems with them. Btw this is the US which has one of the worst COVID outcomes in the world thanks to the pathetic health of the population.

 

So COVID is bad but it's not the global mega crisis the media is making it out to be. That's why I scoff at the fear mongering and mass hysteria.

 

Anyways I've said my part. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. If you're at risk then stay home and avoid contact with the general population etc... etc...

It is so easy for you to hand wave away 600,000 deaths, so you can go to the pub and have a beer.

 

Short sighted, too, as long as this virus is out of control, it may mutate into a form that kills you. Lockdowns reduce mutations.

7 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Huh.

Anyway I have not seen any discussion of the flu vaccine but absolutely get it if it can help.

I got my flu vaccine.

Didn't know there had been push back on this idea, I see no downside.

 

Read on.

 

https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(21)00089-4/fulltext

9 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

I agree. If you take away state names you can't tell which states had strict regulations and those who did very little (WY and CO for example). The only thing people can do is stay home if they're at risk. Anything beyond that is just punitive and destructive.

Somebody told you that, and they were lying to you.

 

of the 50 states, two out of the top three in cases per capita are North Dakota and South Dakota, with zero lockdowns between them.
 

Internationally, the highest levels are US, Brazil and India. No National lockdowns among them.

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Somebody told you that, and they were lying to you.

 

of the 50 states, two out of the top three in cases per capita are North Dakota and South Dakota, with zero lockdowns between them.
 

Internationally, the highest levels are US, Brazil and India. No National lockdowns among them.

I told you its futile to try to convince the fruitcakes on this forum. Its overblown according to them. There should be no masks no lockdowns no vaccinations. 

 

Its like talking with people who are religious or in a cult. No matter what you say they will choose to believe their points even if all the evidence is pointing an other way.

9 hours ago, jerolamo said:

 

I like what finished showing yours your ironic, it's a rather clever way to divert a subject. This is not politeness at all, but wants to be clever (and is sometimes when it takes). Really, I find it distinct enough that it is noticeable. Everyone has their own style, good evening my friend, thank you for these very informative exchanges from "BBC news culture". ("young once, juvenile forever" is something that will change, you will see... i trust that you will prefer as soon as older, the experience out of any victim's sources propaganda)

Are you using some kind of translation app?

French to English?

Your post are very difficult to understand or maybe it is just me?

13 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

OMG look at how long it took for a single TVF member to pick that up, or could it be that most TVF members got it, I hope your not one of those TVF members who could be diagnosed with OCD   ????

Actually I think it's ODC.

 

Occasional Dictionary Collapse.

Poor Rooster.. If he's reading these posts (and if he's smart, he isn't) I hope he can take some comfort from this quote..

 

"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life. -Winston Churchill"

 

Usually attributed to Winston, but apparently first said by Victor Hugo..

 

5 minutes ago, BostonRob2 said:

Actually I think it's ODC.

 

Occasional Dictionary Collapse.

 

Life is short and recently having found a useful tool for those who want to be keyboard warriors and nit pick, at the press of a button. Add new user to ignore list ????

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

I told you its futile to try to convince the fruitcakes on this forum. Its overblown according to them. There should be no masks no lockdowns no vaccinations. 

 

Its like talking with people who are religious or in a cult. No matter what you say they will choose to believe their points even if all the evidence is pointing an other way.

Is there a Full Moon?

 

How many of these Deniers are basically saying they don’t care how many people die, as long as the pub is open to serve Guinness?

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Is there a Full Moon?

 

How many of these Deniers are basically saying they don’t care how many people die, as long as the pub is open to serve Guinness?

1) Why does not caring how many people die make me a denier? (So far the death rate appears to be around 0.15% of the population)

2) Why should my entertainment be prevented because a few old people I don't care about die?

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

1) Why does not caring how many people die make me a denier? (So far the death rate appears to be around 0.15% of the population)

2) Why should my entertainment be prevented because a few old people I don't care about die?

You are totally correct. In your case, because you know that lots of people die from Covid, but you just don’t care, as long as the pub stays open - you are not a Denier. But not caring about lots of people dying makes you something else.

20 hours ago, Freeduhdum said:

I would comment with a seriously profound and thoughtful comment to this one point alone, as many morally conscious people have been doing for ages... but alas, this forum is a cauldron of mis-guided, pompous, disingenuous actors pushing a contrived agenda who will find yet another ostentatious terms of service excuse to sensor any rebuke . This entire post is ludicrous and frankly straight out of the lunatic fringe. But I digress...

  Couldn’t agree more. “Pompous” just about nails it. This is why I rarely bother posting on this forum. 

Just now, Danderman123 said:

You are totally correct. In your case, because you know that lots of people die from Covid, but you just don’t care, as long as the pub stays open - you are not a Denier. But not caring about lots of people dying makes you something else.

One of my Thai lovers explained it to me ......... in descending order of importance .........

"Why should I care about someone who isn't my relative, I'm not friends with, have never met, or is not Thai?" I thought about it for a while and realised she was 100% correct.

 And again we see the use of innuendo and information taken out of context, the "whispering'' campaign.

 

And then we have this very offensive post that  equates responsible precaution as being nazi and makes false claim about Co2.  How obnoxious and ignorant. Instead of making false claim, why not show the evidence that there is an issue with CO2 in mask. You can't because there is no issue. if there was, the  health professionals wearing them for the past year would all have  brain damage or be dead. Most people are not wearing  the type of mask you reference- they are using exam type, but that is beside the point.

 

8 hours ago, Freigeist365 said:

Hey, Rooster - while ordering some FFP2 masks for yourself (and I hope you will wear them 24/7 as inhaling CO2 all day is a real kicker), why not also get some of those red armbands, you know - the ones with a white circle and a swastika... Those people wearing them back then had a mindset similar to yours when it came to deniers or foes of the ruling party. Hell yeah! Put it on and then get those deniers and stupid tinfoil hats who dare to ask uncomfortable questions and who don't repeat the official narrative over and over again like a brainless parrot, beat 'em up and throw them into camps. You' the man, Rooster, you' de maan!!!!

 

7 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

No this is just more media gaslighting. No idea why the cases spiked but nothing is happening as a result. The media is going to keep the fear cranked up to 10 all summer long just like they did last year.

 

Nothing is happening? A simple search will show that ICUs are over run with admissions now in excess of capacities with result that Ontario canceled all  non emergency surgery. No room in ICUs so people sent  to far away regions. Leader of province begs for medical  help. British Columbia  is forced to impose no travel restriction. I see that last week, because of the crisis, many provinces have introduced  tougher travel restriction. Quebec bring back it curfew and  stopped travel. It looks like it is working as new cases are starting to level off although ICU admissions increased. british Columbia has  new no travel in province restriction, Atlantic region has required quarantine . All this is easy seen on search, but you did not bother. instead, you make false allegation of gaslighting.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Guitarzan said:

I hear about “cases”, where are the sick and dying?  Would it be fair to say far more people have died from suicides due to economic hardships than the virus? 

Another  factually incorrect claim.  Why do you make such false innuendo? What is your motive?

You aksk where sick and dying are?  Go to a local hospital and you will see.  Turn on news from  SE Asia and you will see the thousands of dead and dying.

You  So all those people in hospitals in   USA, Canada, EU, Thailand, South America and now India are imaginary? The tens of thousands  dying in india are  fiction? The need for field hospital in Thailand is  made up? The  crisis declared in Tokyo because of infections is imaginary too?

 

Why are you making reference about suicide? Where is your evidence? If you do not have facts why make claim?  In the countries that have looked at suicides  they show no increase. On the contrary,  I can easily find two countries that had more extensive lockdowns had no negative impact on suicide rates. NOTHING. 

Covid-19: Suicide rate 'did not rise during first lockdown   https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56818876

Many assumed suicides would spike in 2020. So far, the data tells a different story  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/suicides-alberta-bc-saskatchewan-canada-2020-no-increase-1.5902908

12 hours ago, Britman Free said:

Average UK life expectancy = 81

Average age of UK Covid Victim = 82 

 

????

Not surprisingly you left out an inconvenient fact.

 

Let's examine the average age of UK Covid victim you state as 82. That means the victim was approximately 81 when they contracted the disease.  In UK the expected age of death for an average 81 year old UK resident is 89.  So on average those dying of COVID in UK lost an average of 8 years of life.  But of course there is a significant sampling bias at play.

 

Your use of simple statistics to support your opinion is very suspect.

18 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Not surprisingly you left out an inconvenient fact.

 

Let's examine the average age of UK Covid victim you state as 82. That means the victim was approximately 81 when they contracted the disease.  In UK the expected age of death for an average 81 year old UK resident is 89.  So on average those dying of COVID in UK lost an average of 8 years of life.  But of course there is a significant sampling bias at play.

 

Your use of simple statistics to support your opinion is very suspect.

The problem here is that the poster didn’t understand the concept that life expectancy increases to a degree as a person lives longer. And, they don’t really care.

 

All they know is what their internet friends send them, so they can make posts for their team.

 

No original thought, just rehashing false and tired themes:

 

Lockdowns don’t work.

They died with Covid, not from Covid

Face masks don’t prevent infections

nobody died from flu this year

 

The ones who are far gone are worse:

 

covid is a scam

The hospitals are empty

Only 3000 people died from Covid

 

The way to stop one of these people is to ask them what they would do to save more lives in Brazil. That causes brain freeze.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

One of my Thai lovers explained it to me ......... in descending order of importance .........

"Why should I care about someone who isn't my relative, I'm not friends with, have never met, or is not Thai?" I thought about it for a while and realised she was 100% correct.

I think she might be trying to tell you she does not care about you....as you for none of those criteria. 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending26march2021

 

Apart from big spikes in April and November 2020 excess deaths in England and Wales are near enough the 5 year average.

 

At the moment the death rate is actually 5% below the weekly 5 yr average.

 

What the OP means is he wants to ban the "wrong type of opinion" - including a Nobel Prize winner like Prof. Michael Levitt, ex-Supreme Court Judge Lord Sumption etc etc 

 

 

RAZZ

 

7 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending26march2021

 

Apart from big spikes in April and November 2021 excess death in England and Wales are near enough the 5 year average.

 

At the moment the death rate is actually 5% below the weekly average.

 

What the OP means is he wants to ban the "wrong type of opinion" - including a Nobel Prize winner like Prof. Michael Levitt.

 

RAZZ

 

For the op or anyone to suggest it should be illegal for someone to voice an opinion contrary to what governments approve, is a very dangerous idea.

 

People would be very stupid to blindly believe without question what governments and politicians tell them.

 

Different views, no matter right or wrong, lead to debate and questioning, and from that people can form a more balanced opinion.  

 

 

 

 

Well it's been very interesting reading this thread, with posts ranging from the indecipherable, whereby a non-native English speaker tries to be smart hoping that his words will translate into meaningful prose, unfortunately it comes out as a load of nonsense.

 

But that's getting away from my point, so just for the record before I stop following this thread, here are my beliefs: – 

– Covid 19 is very real. 

– People are dying from this virus, no matter how the statistics are reported or misrepresented.

– I am pro-vaccination as I have seen first hand  the damage that some viruses can do to human beings, and just for the anti-vaxxers: as a result of vaccines, smallpox has been eradicated and other life-threatening transmissible infections like polio, measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, yellow fever and rabies are diminishing in many parts of the world and morbid complications of infections like tetanus are preventable.

– With freedom of speech comes responsibility.

– Neither Bill Gates, nor his foundation, are behind any conspiracy to control the world, control human beings or make money out of a pandemic.

– The world is older than 6000 years!!!!!

Thus saying, I take my leave from this thread.
 

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Not.

 

You will be shocked how many younger, healthy types will succumb over the next few weeks. It’s called a Cytokine storm, and it’s a way for Covid to kill healthy people.

Shocked , Nope

Interested, yes, interested in seeing whether your opinion is correct or not

come back in say 3 weeks, and show us the number of deaths and the ages of these people, including which ones had underlying illnesses

 

 

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

No.

 

in the US, suicide rates have plunged by 20%.

 

Thanks for playing.

but in Thailand, which is what this posts are supposed to be about, suicides have increased ?

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Just read an article in the UK’s Sunday Times, about sufferers of long Covid, and they went from a 9 year old to a 47 year old, all of the people interviewed are struggling many months after contracting the virus. So how do we protect “the vulnerable” when they cover such a wide spectrum of society? 

i also read an article about the long term effects from the flu virus, , struggling for months, even years , that effects people of all ages , just like this covid virus does

Oops, i forgot, the flu does not kill or cause damage to people, only covid does this 

5 minutes ago, xylophone said:

– I am pro-vaccination as I have seen first hand  the damage that some viruses can do to human beings, and just for the anti-vaxxers: as a result of vaccines, smallpox has been eradicated and other life-threatening transmissible infections like polio, measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, yellow fever and rabies are diminishing in many parts of the world and morbid complications of infections like tetanus are preventable.

Oddly enough it was one of my ancestors that discovered Smallpox vaccine.

Polio was eradicated by better sanitation.

Mumps and Measles I had, didn't know anyone that died from them.

Yellow fever and rabies was never common in the UK.

 

Would point out the experimental and emergency approved COVID gene therapies aren't vaccinations at all as they don't make the test subjects immune to COVID.

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So far, it has resulted about 50 deaths a day, but deaths generally lag new infections by 3 weeks.

 

So, you can tell the next thousand or so dead Canadians that they were gaslighted into fearing the epidemic.

 

i should say this as gently as possible, but in what world don’t you fear a widespread disease that has killed 3 million people?

 

in a world where around 55.5 million people die each year

and especially in Thailand, where the deaths is less than 150 in 16 months, 

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It is so easy for you to hand wave away 600,000 deaths, so you can go to the pub and have a beer.

 

Short sighted, too, as long as this virus is out of control, it may mutate into a form that kills you. Lockdowns reduce mutations.

i like the word " MAY"

just like the words, possibly, could, if, They say so much, yet mean so little 

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

15 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Great thesis, I'm sure, could you give us a précis?

 

You know the best part about TVF, the Add new user to ignore list ????

There's something even funnier and more satisfying than that...that's knowing that some posters really think that putting someone on their "ignore" list bothers those other members! 

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

There's something even funnier and more satisfying than that...that's knowing that some posters really think that putting someone on their "ignore" list bothers those other members! 

I've got about 100 posters on my ignore list.

Only 3 of those accounts are still active, it's stopped me having to read posts by many trolls.

 

58 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I think she might be trying to tell you she does not care about you....as you for none of those criteria. 

She also missed off  'aren't a pet dog, or give me money'.  We might think Britman's analysis is harsh, but it does have a certain amount of truth to it. Thankfully I'm covered under  the financial caveat.

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've got about 100 posters on my ignore list.

Only 3 of those accounts are still active, it's stopped me having to read posts by many trolls.

 

Good for you.