CCSA under fire for allegedly misleading public over hospital bed situation in Thailand

[webfact]

The 4th field hospitals set up by Bangkok Metropolitan Administration at the Bangkok Arena stadium.

 

The director of the Thoracic Society of Thailand, under Royal Patronage, Dr.Nitipat Jiarakul, has taken CCSA to task over the claim that there are sufficient hospital beds to meet the demand represented by increasing COVID-19 infections.

 

He also called on CCSA to provide accurate facts about hospital beds, vis-à-vis the actual capacity of medical services in Thailand.

 

In his Facebook post early Sunday morning, Dr. Nitipat cited the case of an 85-year old woman, who was in a critical condition due to COVID-19, and who had to isolate at home because no ambulance was sent to rush her to a hospital, adding that he wondered how many other such cases there are.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ccsa-under-fire-for-allegedly-misleading-public-over-hospital-bed-situation-in-thailand/

 

 

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[RichardColeman]

From link : He also said he wonders why his patient had to wait eight days at home and still could not get a hospital bed.

 

8 days and no bed ? My guess they wanted the 85 year old to die at home and put it down to old age

[mark131v]

Seems the façade is beginning to slip and the lies are being questioned, not before time...

[Olivie]

I was saying from the beginning that their numbers are full of BS...

In January, they had some days at 22% of positive rate...

 

[smedly]

some people on here might just be starting to get it

 

the seedy underbelly of lies and mis-information spewing out from this administration.

 

Good to see that professional people are willing to question and expose it in public 

[Danderman123]

48 minutes ago, Olivie said:

I was saying from the beginning that their numbers are full of BS...

In January, they had some days at 22% of positive rate...

 

Well, some numbers are available, they are just not consistent. One set of numbers implies a 4 percent positivity rate, the other a 12 percent positivity rate.

[MasterBaker]

it does look like they created a VIP areas with better social distancing. looks like a blue area is a one to be, or even special super isolated on the left. BTW, great job on toylet sign, it may be seen from the mppn

[Paul Kernell]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Well, some numbers are available, they are just not consistent. One set of numbers implies a 4 percent positivity rate, the other a 12 percent positivity rate.

Exactly and it's world wide. The cause of death is Covid no matter what underlying health issues there are. Every year there are a couple of thousands die of flu over the winter .20/21 none.

[Fex Bluse]

3 hours ago, mark131v said:

Seems the façade is beginning to slip and the lies are being questioned, not before time...

 

The posters who were cheerleading for the Magical Thai World-class Covid Response are perfectly quietly now.

 

Seems the magic ran out. And Thailand has been exposed as uniquely incompetent. Amazing what propaganda can do ...

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, Paul Kernell said:

Exactly and it's world wide. The cause of death is Covid no matter what underlying health issues there are. Every year there are a couple of thousands die of flu over the winter .20/21 none.

You have been lied to.

 

Covid-19 deaths are well established, you have fallen for the lame "they died with Covid, not from Covid" lie. Medical examiners know very well the difference between a chronic and an acute condition. Your internet friends do not.

 

Influenza and other communication diseases have much lower incidence in the last year, due to face masks, social distancing and self isolation, all the stuff that you probably think doesn't help. Is that really such a hard concept to understand? Have you had the flu in the last year?

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

40 minutes ago, MasterBaker said:

it does look like they created a VIP areas with better social distancing. looks like a blue area is a one to be, or even special super isolated on the left. BTW, great job on toylet sign, it may be seen from the mppn

 

That might be for elderly, handicapped, special needs? Or a triage area with more room for access for care?

 

I doubt any VIPs are going to places with cardboard beds?

 

 

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

He also called on CCSA to provide accurate facts about hospital beds, vis-à-vis the actual capacity of medical services in Thailand.

So many doctors now coming out openly in the public arena to give the public some truth.

The months of carefully planned information sharing by the government broadcasts are being challenged now, by the very people in positions that know the truth. 

[thailand49]

Any news by the government pre and post covid take it with a grain of salt " smoke and mirrors, white lies "  is what fuels government policy here!  What they don't know won't hurt them white lies are good for the people because if they knew the truth PANIC!  ????

 

There are many who are still waiting the puppet to fix the traffic problem in Bangkok.

Edited April 26, 2021 by thailand49

[cocoonclub]

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Edited April 26, 2021 by cocoonclub

[internationalism]

since saturday they have started to publish how many people are waiting for hospital or quarantine beds.

on saturday it was 1500, on  sunday 2000.

also strange happenings with available beds  - the one day there were 28k beds for covid and almost full, the next there were 40k, but still many patients send home.

Looks, like they don't have central control how many beds are there and where are free, also where are the most needed.

In europe patients were send to hospitals to neighbouring countries, when their system became overstretched. Or ambulances driving with patients hundred km in search of spare beds. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by internationalism

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Fex Bluse said:

 

The posters who were cheerleading for the Magical Thai World-class Covid Response are perfectly quietly now.

 

Seems the magic ran out. And Thailand has been exposed as uniquely incompetent. Amazing what propaganda can do ...

Thailand did a fantastic job...until now.  I'd still much rather be here than back in the US, UK or Europe.  But that thought may change in the next few weeks.  We'll see.

 

This has nothing to do with propaganda.  Just the facts.

[unblocktheplanet]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

So many doctors now coming out openly in the public arena to give the public some truth.

The months of carefully planned information sharing by the government broadcasts are being challenged now, by the very people in positions that know the truth. 

Yeah, righto. And WHY they didn't open their gobs before we got to this critical state?

[Nojohndoe]

A small but significant fact is that numbers of beds available have often been a "nation wide" figure rather than specific to high case load areas like Bangkok.

Referring to available beds in a field hospital several hundreds of kilometers away is not helpful but impressive  PR !

[Sheryl]

8 hours ago, Olivie said:

I was saying from the beginning that their numbers are full of BS...

In January, they had some days at 22% of positive rate...

 

Positivity rate (#positive/#tests done that day) did nto rise above 2% any day in January.

 

I don't know where you are getting this 22% idea. Maybe from newspaper articles on specific testing sites. Certainly not from total testing data.

 

it has risen since but is still under 5%.

[MadMac]

Facebook fight, made it to the news. Nice ????

 

If you have no other problems, where are the vaccines BTW?

[PETERTHEEATER]

Just give the problem to that provincial governor who ordered a hospital director to obtain 500 extra beds. Just another direct order for (say) 20,000 beds and we can all breathe easy. But it will need parallel orders for additional trained staff, PPE, oxygen, ventilators, etc etc.......(no hab?)

[PETERTHEEATER]

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Thailand did a fantastic job...until now. 

If only they had done a real job and not one based on fantasy......

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Yeah, righto. And WHY they didn't open their gobs before we got to this critical state?

 

It is very much against Thai culture to speak out like this and challenge authority. Also very risky to do (though there is some safety in numbers...but it will have taken some time to organize that).

 

Takes a very serious situation to override that.

 

Doesn't mean they weren't speaking out prior through less public "channels. Just that it took the current state of affairs for them to conclude they had no choice but go public.

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

If only they had done a real job and not one based on fantasy......

They're in about the same shape as Australia.  Did a great job controlling the virus, but a lousy job with getting a jab.  No fantasy there.

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Yeah, righto. And WHY they didn't open their gobs before we got to this critical state?

They were afraid of the deformation act held against them, initiated by the government to keep people silent... but now it's reached breaking strain some are willing to speak out.

[Excel]

9 hours ago, smedly said:

some people on here might just be starting to get it

 

the seedy underbelly of lies and mis-information spewing out from this administration.

 

Good to see that professional people are willing to question and expose it in public 

Would suggest that everybody google  the current Thai political parties and then google the main members of those parties. Perhaps then people will understand how and why Thailand operates, and it is not for the benefit of the majority of Thai people.

[smedly]

19 minutes ago, Excel said:

Would suggest that everybody google  the current Thai political parties and then google the main members of those parties. Perhaps then people will understand how and why Thailand operates, and it is not for the benefit of the majority of Thai people.

pretty aware, don't need to google anything thx

[Olivie]

13 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Positivity rate (#positive/#tests done that day) did nto rise above 2% any day in January.

 

I don't know where you are getting this 22% idea. Maybe from newspaper articles on specific testing sites. Certainly not from total testing data.

 

it has risen since but is still under 5%.

 

The thai website about covid is not working, here are the numbers I found in February:

30th Jan: Total Tests = 5,351. Positive cases = 930.  ➡️17,4% positive

31st Jan: Total Tests = 3,714. Positive cases = 829.  ➡️22,3% positive

1st Feb: Total Tests = 6,024. Positive cases = 836.    ➡️13,9% positive

2nd Feb: Total Tests = 7,578. Positive cases = 836.   ➡️11% positive

Let me know where do you get your numbers.

[Sheryl]

6 hours ago, Olivie said:

 

The thai website about covid is not working, here are the numbers I found in February:

30th Jan: Total Tests = 5,351. Positive cases = 930.  ➡️17,4% positive

31st Jan: Total Tests = 3,714. Positive cases = 829.  ➡️22,3% positive

1st Feb: Total Tests = 6,024. Positive cases = 836.    ➡️13,9% positive

2nd Feb: Total Tests = 7,578. Positive cases = 836.   ➡️11% positive

Let me know where do you get your numbers.

 

from the MoPH lab data base  https://service.dmsc.moph.go.th/labscovid19/indexen.php

(scroll down to bottom)

 

                           Date             Positive       Total tests

1/30/21	125	21634				0.6%
1/31/21	249	14738				1.7%
2/1/21	247	17360				1.4%
2/2/21	155	20603				0.8%

 

These are for total tests including repeat testing of positive people. removing that will lower the positivity rate further.

 

I have no idea where your data covers from but back in late January - February there were nowhere near the numbers positive you list.  It was not until early April that the country saw numbers like that.

 

Possibly

 

[Danderman123]

If the positivity rates are as low as the last set of figures indicates, then this epidemic is basically over. I do see that in Chonburi, the numbers of positive cases have been flat for 2 weeks.