25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The reality is that very few countries test widely, so that even a number like 80,000 infections in Brazil per day is just the tip of the iceberg. Even when the US was reporting 300,000 daily cases, there was no mass random testing. What that means is only the sickest people were identified, or their closest contacts. Constant whining about lack of testing is tiresome, because Thailand's testing practices are common in the Real World. 

Check the number of tests Thailand has done compared to how many countries test more per million of population.Most countries test way more than Thailand.The US has tested 1.5 million per million of population where as Thailand has tested 116,000 per million of population.Your constant denial of what happens in the real world is tiresome.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Go look at the graphs for Japan. No flat consistent numbers for 2021

That's what I was referring to. The lockdown measures there don't seem significantly stricter than Thailand, yet cases are dropping.

 

Which is to say yes, it's possible the current lockdown measures are able to significantly inhibit the spread. Is this what has happened in reality? Hard to say, but I'm approaching this from the angle of whether it's plausible.

 

Jakarta has recently reopened high risk venues like bars after a period of relative stability, after which cases have risen dramatically in only a few weeks. Keeping these high risk venues closed should have an outsize effect.

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

Even if the testing numbers/cases are bs, just watch the change in the daily number of deaths. Or is there a government conspiracy to cover those up as well? The deaths are trackng the number of cases - relatively flat. 

Again you believe that deaths equate to cases, and low deaths equal low cases.  Your completely out in left field with that thinking.

The Bangkok Governor has issued an order to relax restrictions which will allow customers in restaurants to sit and eat up until 11pm, swimming pools can open, and convenience stores can open for service during normal hours, from Monday 21st June 64 onwards.

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1406530694545690631

 

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I had this eureka moment about 3am this morning.

 

We always thought that the testing was being limited to keep the numbers low - which would boost them in the eyes of the world.

 

BUT, I think they have been warehousing the tests for months waiting for tourism. 

 

If the expected 129,000 people came Q3 to Phuket, that equates to some 260,000 tests of tourists. It was recently said they had been expecting 4 million tourists by end Q4 - that may equate to a possible 8 millions tests. 8 million tests is equal to their entire testing program so far.

 

Therefore I'd suggest unless they have a rabbit up their sleeves with testing kits - they must be stock piling test kits in mass for expected tourism ! 

 

Just hope the test kits dont have a use by date

 

I personally think that there is also a supply problem with the Test Kits, as there is with the vaccines.

At the beginning of May the CCSA stated there were only between 300-400,000 Test Kits available Nationally for use. If the Kits are available now, why are they not being used.

Or, has the ball been dropped on this just the same as Vaccines.

Surely the CCSA and the Health Authority are not so stupid or arrogant as to think that this is just going to go away.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

SINGAPORE — There is a significant risk of "vaccine breakthrough" with the Sinovac vaccine, or CoronaVac, with international evidence showing that many who had taken it were later infected with COVID-19, said the Ministry of Health's (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak on Friday (18 June).

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/significant-problems-sinovac-vaccine-other-countries-moh-official-105357031.html

There have been other reports of " vaccine  breakthrough " concerning Sinovac from around the Globe.

Indonesian Health Workers got infected after jabs

Chile has reported a huge incident in Santiago ( the capital )

There are a couple of Countries in the Middle East that are having problems with this Vaccine also.

Possibly there could be more, but I cannot remember them.

 

1 minute ago, Cake Monster said:

There have been other reports of " vaccine  breakthrough " concerning Sinovac from around the Globe.

Indonesian Health Workers got infected after jabs

Chile has reported a huge incident in Santiago ( the capital )

There are a couple of Countries in the Middle East that are having problems with this Vaccine also.

Possibly there could be more, but I cannot remember them.

 

Yea and obviously Thailand's Dr Yong is also concerned hence why he's now asked for volunteers for his study in mixing doses with one dose Sinovac and one dose AZ, to see if that improves its effectiveness sufficiently. 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Why? Is it boring you? If so just don't participate in the Covid forum, plenty of others to read and get into discussions with others.

Yes  its  boring same old  argument  over and over, not  enough testing from one side and total  rebuttal from tuther, day after day.

13 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Yes  its  boring same old  argument  over and over, not  enough testing from one side and total  rebuttal from tuther, day after day.

Yet this is now your third post on this thread today........................

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You claim that the trajectory of the epidemic is changing, based on the government's numbers, which you say are fake. 

Show me, by quoting from my post, where I stated “the trajectory of the epidemic is changing”.

 

but it was a nice try at deflecting from your own post, where you made fun of people who had previously stated suspicions of the accuracy of government reported numbers and you thereby implicitly suggested that the numbers are accurate.

 

that prisons thing though. Every time you try to imply the government numbers are accurate, it just rears its ugly head as a proven example of the case numbers being manipulated down. So inconvenient.

2 hours ago, DavisH said:

Even if the testing numbers/cases are bs, just watch the change in the daily number of deaths. Or is there a government conspiracy to cover those up as well? The deaths are trackng the number of cases - relatively flat. 

Are the cases flat?

 

seems to me that roughly 2k cases per day are now 3k cases per day. Roughly 50% increase. The interesting figure on deaths will be in about 2/3 weeks. The level then should be a reflection of the last few days cases.

 

I haven’t done the math on a 7 day rolling average of deaths, would be an interesting one to watch evolve over the next couple of weeks. Not predicting anything, just would be interested to see how it goes.

Phillipines signed a deal for 40 m vaccines of Pfizer.. delivery starts 8 eight weeks from now... So end of August.. Why the so called deal with Thailand than only at the end of this year??  Something wrong I think and I can't understand why the media doesn.t grill Prayuth and the people don't react to this bunch of pocketfilling Government

15 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Phillipines signed a deal for 40 m vaccines of Pfizer.. delivery starts 8 eight weeks from now... So end of August.. Why the so called deal with Thailand than only at the end of this year??  Something wrong I think

I would have to agree with you.  As an old saying goes by Shakespeare "Somethings rotten in the State of Denmark" in essence replace Denmark in the below explanation with Thailand and you have the true meaning.:

https://literarydevices.net/something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-denmark/#:~:text= Something is Rotten in the State of,It is found abundantly in literature%2C... More

It means that the situation of Denmark is similar to a fish that rots from head to tail, or in other words, it shows that everything is not good at top of political hierarchy.

20 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

a fish that rots from head to tail

And here I was thinking that Don Vito Corleone wrote that.....

3 hours ago, realfunster said:

 

I can only speak of my own experiences and observations.

 

We followed the government “advice” received by the JFCCT and passed on to foreign companies and shut immediately after Songkran. Of course, we have a skeleton crew of 20 out of 500 keeping things ticking over but the office is ‘closed’ to all intents and purposes. A number of friends working at other Thai & foreign companies are under the same arrangement. Of course, this is a luxury afforded to some office workers as remote working can still be relatively productive. Other industries may require more physical presence at retail sites, factories etc.

 

Obviously, I don’t know what everyone is doing but I believe most foreign and larger Thai companies are primarily remote working. This sentiment was reinforced by my first office visit for 2 months last week, very light rush hour traffic (half my usual commuting time) and a largely deserted office building greeting me upon arrival. 

 

 

Like you, I can only speak of my own experience, which is of central Bangkok.  My commute to work covers Ploenchit to Siam, and the offices I pass on the way seem as busy as usual.  The lunch rush is certainly the same!  But obviously Bangkok is a big city, so it may be very different in other areas.  

 

Government offices like Immigration have certainly been working as normal. 

What did we become... Following, every day, how many people get sick and die. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, drenddy said:

What did we become... Following, every day, how many people get sick and die. 

 

 

Being an Ostrich is preferably option!

7 minutes ago, drenddy said:

What did we become... Following, every day, how many people get sick and die. 

 

 

So whats your point? Are you a denier of the truth that Covid is very much a life changer, or that its a farce? 

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

Something wrong I think and I can't understand why the media doesn.t grill Prayuth and the people don't react to this bunch of pocketfilling Government

 

Very wrong but the media are controlled by the maniacs in charge and anyone who puts their feeding troughs at risk is quickly silenced ......who can oppose them when they are self appointed by means of a charade election and residential attitude adjustment schemes.

 

Even on some sites not to mention any......if you too enthusiastically point out the truth about the lunatics such observations disappear quicker than brown envelopes at the procurement and contracts office.

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

So whats your point? Are you a denier of the truth that Covid is very much a life changer, or that its a farce? 

 Oh, not at all...It is very much a painful reality. 

It's just this worldwide hecatombe of nearly sadist need to quantify despair and sickness. 

 

7 minutes ago, drenddy said:

 Oh, not at all...It is very much a painful reality. 

It's just this worldwide hecatombe of nearly sadist need to quantify despair and sickness. 

 

Philosopher? Most folk on these threads are just trying to keep up with daily flip flops from gov.

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Philosopher?

 

 Yes. 

 I learned alot on Sukhumvit soi 4.

 Ain't no neophyte any longer. 

Caution voiced over premature reopening of Thailand to international visitors

 

A senior doctor, at the Internal Medicine Department of the Faculty of Medicine at Mahidol University, has voiced caution over premature reopening of Thailand to foreign arrivals in October, pointing out that vaccination of 50 million Thais, to begin development of herd immunity, should not be the only consideration behind such a decision.

 

Associate Professor Dr. Nithipat Jiankul, chief of the respiratory disease and tuberculosis department, said that, besides the mass vaccination operation, the decision to open the country must also take into consideration the domestic health system, the national economy and security.

 

If new daily infections are still at about 3,000, or more than 300 people are in need of ventilators with more than a dozen fatalities each day, he said that it is better for the country to remain closed.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/caution-voiced-over-premature-reopening-of-thailand-to-international-visitors/

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Why are the daily numbers rubbish? 

Because the number of deaths continually represents/corresponds to almost 1% of the cases ?  How do you explain that ? 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yet this is now your third post on this thread today........................

so what I aint counting

58 minutes ago, drenddy said:

 

 Yes. 

 I learned alot on Sukhumvit soi 4.

 Ain't no neophyte any longer. 

A Nana plaza non-neophyte and one who must be a disciple of Socrates

10 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

so what I aint counting

Such an eloquent response to our rising numbers.  You put it so well.  Why bother trying anymore, you can not outdo yourself. You have reached the pinnacle.

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Such an eloquent response to our rising numbers.  You put it so well.  Why bother trying anymore, you can not outdo yourself. You have reached the pinnacle.

Get real, what can YOU actually do, absolutely NOTHING, just back from 7-11 the old  hag who sits  outside selling food  has a mask under  her neck, she NEVER ever has  worn it and I go there 3-4  times a  week she's  there every night, they dont really give a  toss, absolutely none whatsoever.

And as for the "our rising numbers" Im not part of their team, thankfully, theyve made it abundantly clear they dont even want us in their team unless to relieve us  of  cash.

40 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Caution voiced over premature reopening of Thailand to international visitors

 

A senior doctor, at the Internal Medicine Department of the Faculty of Medicine at Mahidol University, has voiced caution over premature reopening of Thailand to foreign arrivals in October, pointing out that vaccination of 50 million Thais, to begin development of herd immunity, should not be the only consideration behind such a decision.

 

Associate Professor Dr. Nithipat Jiankul, chief of the respiratory disease and tuberculosis department, said that, besides the mass vaccination operation, the decision to open the country must also take into consideration the domestic health system, the national economy and security.

 

If new daily infections are still at about 3,000, or more than 300 people are in need of ventilators with more than a dozen fatalities each day, he said that it is better for the country to remain closed.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/caution-voiced-over-premature-reopening-of-thailand-to-international-visitors/

Considering that the government is at nowhere near the run rate that it needs to be to get 50 million Thai’s vaccinated by the end of the year, let alone in 120 days, it doesn’t seem to me that even THAT is a consideration, let alone anything else.

24 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Get real, what can YOU actually do, absolutely NOTHING, just back from 7-11 the old  hag who sits  outside selling food  has a mask under  her neck, she NEVER ever has  worn it and I go there 3-4  times a  week she's  there every night, they dont really give a  toss, absolutely none whatsoever.

And as for the "our rising numbers" Im not part of their team, thankfully, theyve made it abundantly clear they dont even want us in their team unless to relieve us  of  cash.

So your just here to vent, got it.  Enjoy