2 hours ago, giddyup said:

So what good is the wearing of masks and the various restrictions actually doing?

Masks  and alcohol spray can reduce /slow infections not stop them completly. Say the masks helpreduce the viral load -amount of virus you brath in so that the infection is not as strong as  just breathin g in virus without any sort of filtering.  Plus a lot of people are not wearing masks as they pull them down all the time.

It could be pretty covid safe for tourist coming to Phuket now. 

They could each and everyone of them have their own hotel as a private residence.  

 

1 hour ago, csmith said:

In Chiangmai you can get a Covid test for Baht 1,800

 

http://www.healthcaremedicalclinic.com/news-view.php?view=160

 

Earlier  my wife had 2 tests free, now a few days ago I had to pay 3,000 baht  for her test in Bangkok.   I said  what happened?  She said not have many testing kits now so have to pay.. At least she is in queue now at a hospital waiting for covid shot.

Well the way the government is handling the crisis with  restrictions and non priority of the vaccines to the old and sick plus care takers  ect

its not surprising the numbers are increasing 

They are more interested in Tourism numbers the Phuket sand box comes to mind 

They are going to reap what they sow 

Looks like lockdowns around the country imminent 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I have my own COVID test, which costs nothing.

I swim the length of my condo pool (30 metres ) without taking a breath. I could not do that if I had COVID.

Another good test is downing a can/bottle of beer.

If you can taste it and smell it, you're good.

Yes it is serious

 

BUT how many are actually dying surely a more important statistic

Deaths below age 30 very few so why are schools closed

 

Solution vaccine, but why is it taking so long, Thailand has ability to manufacture vacine under licience, vaccination here hardly started but in other parts of the world well on its way

 

The side effects of covid, no work, no money for many are far greater than a few deaths

4 hours ago, giddyup said:

So what good is the wearing of masks and the various restrictions actually doing?

FFP3 masks still prevent delta transmission 100%, so still worth using one

COVID-19 infections in Thailand could surge to 10,000 a day next week, CCSA says  

 

Great,And Who are the smart (Not) People who want to open the country? 

The whole country was in lockdown with only a Fraction of the infected/dead people from covid . 

Is  this Thai Logic? they've got it back to front .

4 hours ago, giddyup said:

So what good is the wearing of masks and the various restrictions actually doing?

Its helping a lot - the figures would be massively higher if measures were not taken as they were not  in  Brazil or Trumps USA last year etc., Masks help prevent you breathing in this plague  virus thats killing millions,  Why you ask after 18 months or more from when you saw the Chinese first wearing masks before it hit the rest of the globe because its a RESPIRATORY disease. Many do not not have the antibodies to combat this new virus.

 

So try crowded buses, night clubs, busy shops, parties, bars, weddings, family functions, restuarants, factories , offices, as you are most likely to get it there if you are maskless. Yes people are getting it from home, teenagers,  and friends because often you are not wearing masks indoors and they are asymptomatic. The Delta(Imdian) virus spreads massively quickly. Measures taken across the world are reducing this plague but it is easy to catch and do harm if you are over 55 upwards, have other conditions, very overweight etc but ICUs are also full of younger, fitter men and women. Its like a bad lottery. 

 

But of course the only real way to stop serious illness and death is to get 2 doses of the following   1) Pfizer 2) Moderna or 3) AstraZenica 

18 minutes ago, spornb said:

Yes it is serious

 

BUT how many are actually dying surely a more important statistic

Deaths below age 30 very few so why are schools closed

 

A lot of Thais live with grandparents. Quite a lot I know are most worried about it being brought home to the elderly. Also, children can still suffer from Long Covid. 

2 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

A lot of Thais live with grandparents. Quite a lot I know are most worried about it being brought home to the elderly. Also, children can still suffer from Long Covid. 

Here in Issan in the villages the fear of Covid is terrible, and over hyped up

 

 

Now compare to motor bike deaths, and accidents may I suggest over reaction, we deal with Flu all the time

 

 

 

 

 

basically its a full scale epidemic,truth in this country along with integrity is hard to find when anyone with authority or a uniform is involved,the death rates are false, the test rates barely plausable.we cant get vacced easily  and our embassies excepting france ,china and USA say go to hell.if we get sick the authorities see an opportunity to steal our money,even though they wont vacc us and weve caught it here .where the hell are these scum bags in the embassy,theyve all been vacced with our taxpayers money,we know we cant rely on a corrupt racist,feudal autocracy but surely our own govts can help .aghh the brits are off virtue signalling in Modis BJP nuclear armed india that has death rates a fraction of eu /uk.looks like we are the wrong colour not just here but at the embassy cocktail parties but of course theyre still in full swing as everyones vaccinated.well you better do something as you will look real bad when the bodies start piling up as theyre doing right now and maybe some people may make you responsible personally ......and you wouldnt like that would you mr ambassador

2 minutes ago, spornb said:

Here in Issan in the villages the fear of Covid is terrible, and over hyped up

 

 

Now compare to motor bike deaths, and accidents may I suggest over reaction, we deal with Flu all the time

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, your arguments are pretty much irrelevant to Covid and just what you would have been banging on about over a year ago. Look at how the Delta variant has been doing largely unvaccinated populations to give yourself some more up-to-date context. There's no need for scaremongering but we need considered responses, especially when issues like Long Covid could have long-lasting effects.

1 hour ago, orchidfan said:

Another good test is downing a can/bottle of beer.

If you can taste it and smell it, you're good.

Ain't science wonderful?  ????

17 hours ago, wprime said:

Well that's just downright pessimistic. Thailand probably doesn't even have the testing capacity to reach 10,000 cases per day.

I'm afraid, to say, you are correct!

Aussie, and I'm not giving them any credit cause I'm a Kiwi, half Aussie, they have been testing 90,000 per day now and they are freaking out about 30 odd new cases of delta today, 20 out in the community.

Today in Pinocchio's land over 200 in Hua Hin at Dole. And the whale hasn't even coughed yet.

Comment from my Thai wife when I said your Mom should be taking care now she said , I tell her 2 many times, as though she wont get infected.

 

With the return to Alcatraz field camp of the woman who escaped from Dole, on the Hua Hin south train, I await to hear how many got infected when they caught her, transferred her to a carriage full of other passengers , then disconnected her carriage and sprayed it------- great work Dr Watson. 

 

Meanwhile with numbers of delta expected to hit 10,000 per day this week Thailand needs to get Pinocchio well from his sandbox experience where he might have caught delta even though being vaccinated, what a shame one of his boys screwed up and came along infected, bet some one took his spade away  when they found out..

 

Meanwhile chaos , not Maxwell smarts opponents, but real chaos is developing rapidly in BK without the leader on the job.

get well soon .

 

so what is the problem to have 10k new cases of covid-19 in Thailand every day? It is what many smaller countries already have or had. To even start considering ANY restrictions at all in Thailand, than there needd to be 100k new cases every day and that is 10 times more.

 

This is just so ridiculous and no one wants to go to Thailand when they have un proportionally restrictions it doesn't matter if they have litterboxes one can go to.

Some off topic posts about road deaths have been removed. 

19 hours ago, wprime said:

Well that's just downright pessimistic. Thailand probably doesn't even have the testing capacity to reach 10,000 cases per day.

not much of a prediction as it's over 7000 per day already.

6 hours ago, giddyup said:

So what good is the wearing of masks and the various restrictions actually doing?

I'm surprised that after all this time you have to ask. The wearing of masks slows the transmission. It was noticed right at the start that countries that habitually wore masks had lower transmission rates.The virus is mainly transmitted via "aerosol" in the air but masks restrain water droplets. Masks don't actually protect YOU, they ae to protect others from you..it shows you respect others.

The Covid 19 virus is much more contagious than other viruses like flu so applying alcohol to your hands, surfaces etc again restricts the viruses ability to be transmitted..

All of these precautions including social distancing restrict the virus's ability to invade a population.

However, nothing is 100% and new strains are proving even more transmissible. It doesn't mean masks are less effective as such, it means they have more to cope with.

The Delta strain is becoming the dominant strain in most countries now, including Thailand and it is something Thailand has yet to deal with, unlike UK and India, for instance where the virus is already the main one. The problem with increased numbers in Thailand is that the country has a vey low vaccination rate and this means it is usually accompanied by a very high hospitalisation rate and no country can cope with this for long.

In any population with growing numbers of Covid infections has a secondary problem and that is that high numbers of cases - severe or mild - work as a variant factory and it could be only a matter of time before a more virulent vaccine resistant strain will appear.

In reality it has been spreading for many months just not reported when will the government learn lockdown is lockdown no one in or out very simple 

not let fake Buisness travel or jolly holidays for the privilege few

and corruption allowing cheap labour from outside Thailand 

The Indian variant would not be in Thailand if the rules as above where implemented

i love and feel very sad for Thailand and the Thai people they deserve better 

Ok this is update with today's 308230 cases and solving for the total cases in 6 days from about 50 new cases April 1 (more realistic than 26) Not going to repeat all the math but the rate constant k is .0881 So n(t) = n(initial)e^kt  So that is: n(105) days = 50e^.0881(105) = 50(e^9.25) = 50(10404) = 520228 total cases in 6 days. Or an additional 211998 cases. Not an alarmist and not predicting but just from the public data given by Thailand and following the math. 

11 hours ago, orchidfan said:

Another good test is downing a can/bottle of beer.

If you can taste it and smell it, you're good.

Actually, loss of smell and taste isn't as common with the Delta variant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57467051

22 hours ago, Cobby007 said:

The Indian variant would not be in Thailand if the rules as above where implemented

Without doubt the Delta (Indian) variant would be in Thailand regardless of any measures taken by the Thai government.- like king <deleted>, it isn't possible to stop the spread....what sensible measures can do is SLOW the spread and "flatten" in infection curve. This makes the disease more manageable. 

I think there is a problem of people seeing the pandemic in terms of black and white - false dichotomies.  There won't be a sudden "return to normal" - Covid is here to stay - the issue is learning how to mange the disease and its variants. Keeping numbers down reduces the chances of variants and vaccines enable populations to cope with the virus without unacceptible hospitalisations and deaths.

There is enormous pressure to reopen economies, but doing this too quickly or without proper precautions will just mean more lockdowns further down the line and more economic damage.

On 7/8/2021 at 9:15 AM, giddyup said:

So what good is the wearing of masks and the various restrictions actually doing?

Apparently slowing down the rate of transmission, it could be worse....

It could be better if people adhered to restrictions.....

Nearly there today; 9,276 with 72 deaths.

On 7/8/2021 at 11:36 AM, Tony125 said:

Masks  and alcohol spray can reduce /slow infections not stop them completly. Say the masks helpreduce the viral load -amount of virus you brath in so that the infection is not as strong as  just breathin g in virus without any sort of filtering.  Plus a lot of people are not wearing masks as they pull them down all the time.

To be quite honest, I think one of the most effective things about the masks (and I hate the damned things) is that they serve as a constant reminder to everyone to observe all the other precautions regarding sanitizing and contact.

On 7/7/2021 at 8:14 PM, placeholder said:

That was fast

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

Not so much out of the question as completely out of the ball park. 

10000 on the Tenth.

11000 on the Eleventh

Vaccines on the Twelfth of Never...

7 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

To be quite honest, I think one of the most effective things about the masks (and I hate the damned things) is that they serve as a constant reminder to everyone to observe all the other precautions regarding sanitizing and contact.

They're great for pickups on the fly, write your number on the front, smile with your eyes, make "boom-boom" gestures in sign language and tilt your chin repeatedly toward the Supermarket storeroom.

On 7/8/2021 at 11:36 AM, Tony125 said:

Masks  and alcohol spray can reduce /slow infections not stop them completly. Say the masks helpreduce the viral load -amount of virus you brath in so that the infection is not as strong as  just breathin g in virus without any sort of filtering.  Plus a lot of people are not wearing masks as they pull them down all the time.

Actually, virologists say that the chief role of masks is to stop the wearing from exhaling the virus particles into the air via tiny drops of saliva.. Not so much about protecting the wearer from virus particles which are also carried in the air via microdroplets.