2 minutes ago, the green light said:

, they should door-to door vaccination until they run  out of vaccine supply

What makes you think that they have vaccine supply.

2 minutes ago, Bobydog said:

To add some clarity to this sad situation, why not add the suicide figures to the covid figures! The MJ team have caused irreparable damage to Thailand and it's future, was anyone held responsibe for the collapse of Thai Airways?  No and there never will be along with these pathetic claims to be ordering vaccines. Good luck people....

Suicides happen its very sad especially when they happen as a result of depression due to lockdown, probably caused by the lack of financial support, its just as sad when they happen due to covid itself, getting statistics of both causes would be useful I agree.

 

Father commits suicide after daughter dies of Covid

https://thethaiger.com/news/bangkok/father-commits-suicide-after-daughter-dies-of-covid

 

 

Exteneded Aug 2 protests in BKK.

In another thread yesterday a few foreign govs did little publicly stunt with Thai gov Offering AZ vaccine to farang that registered Friday night. 

What they did not mention is that there were very few shots per nationality..~100.

Here is pic of SCG Sunday afternoon.

Anyone care to squeeze in? 

12 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

In another thread yesterday a few foreign govs did little publicly stunt with Thai gov Offering AZ vaccine to farang that registered Friday night. 

What they did not mention is that there were very few shots per nationality..~100.

Here is pic of SCG Sunday afternoon.

Anyone care to squeeze in? 

That's why it's so sensible to get inoculated at a private/public hospital.

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You missed the point, open everything. What are you going to do with the overflowing hospitals, no ICU's available, no ventilators, 100's of deaths if not 1000's daily. Economy shattered, far worse than it already is.

 

Open everything, yea great idea. 

 

 

You missed. A out of infections will be the same more or less. Why do you assume more when open? 
 

The main point however, because I know I won’t convince you of the obvious infection rate curves (they don’t just drop to 0 when countries lockdown, do they), is…

 

the one and only effective tool we have right now is vaccines. That’s is. There is no other tool short of barring people’s doors for three weeks, which only places like China can pull off.

 

So, vaccine is the only tool available. That should be the one and only focus. All time and resources should go to that. 

10 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

You missed. A out of infections will be the same more or less. Why do you assume more when open? 
 

The main point however, because I know I won’t convince you of the obvious infection rate curves (they don’t just drop to 0 when countries lockdown, do they), is…

 

the one and only effective tool we have right now is vaccines. That’s is. There is no other tool short of barring people’s doors for three weeks, which only places like China can pull off.

 

So, vaccine is the only tool available. That should be the one and only focus. All time and resources should go to that. 

You failed to address my point and the consequences of opening up. I guess you have no solution to it.

 

If you think infections will be the same more or less if Thailand is open then it really shows just how out of touch you are to covid-19 and the delta strain

9 minutes ago, anchadian said:

That's why is so sensible to get inoculated at a private/public hospital.

Was not aware that private hospitals have vaccine available.

My plan is to wait until they do. Yeah that might mean early next year...... hopefully.

Vague numbers at best i suppose

10 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Is

1 minute ago, Ddbanksy said:

Vague numbers at best i suppose

correct that numbers in Bangkok are declining? Presumably the rates per province will be published later.

 

Meanwhile even after two doses ... 

 

 

12 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Was not aware that private hospitals have vaccine available.

My plan is to wait until they do. Yeah that might mean early next year...... hopefully.

 

12 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Was not aware that private hospitals have vaccine available.

My plan is to wait until they do. Yeah that might mean early next year...... hopefully.

Yes, MedPark hospital in Khlong Toei area had vaccines available for foreigners over 60yrs until a few hours ago.

 

I checked earlier and the registration form was still available online, but alas https://www.medparkhospital.com/en/page/covid19-vaccine-expats

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

and I really don’t buy this fear trap that you say the government is setting. I assume that you are aware that the government has been caught decreasing cases by not reporting thousands of prisoner cases in prisons, for weeks on end, and many would say that every day they deliberately keep cases, and deaths, low by not reporting them. Why would they do that if they want to generate fear?

 

your concept of daily case numbers constituting government control by fear, isn’t born out by facts.

 

it's because you are not there yet, we went through the same cycle as you are starting now, so I can only tell you with a 12 months lead insight, we all thought that covid daily stats were "re-assuring" and giving us "guidance" but at the end it didn't and now it's clearly documented in Europe by doctors that it was actually increasing anxiety in people.

 

Eventually responsible European "governments" started to "evade" the stats game, and focused their attention on something else (like medical solutions) and finding support among the population for new solutions. They realized that the fear game was starting to backfire.

 

Thailand is not there yet, and so aren't you, but let's revisit this thread in a few months, because things are just about to hit the fan

I fear Prayut is going to put his uniform back on. Can a general launch a coupt against himself and his own government? I think this would be a first but I fear something worse than what is already happing is on the cards. Time for another coup in TLOC's.

It can't go on as it's going. Rubber bullets and tear gas today in BKK. Spiralling out of control is now an understatement.

58 minutes ago, Bobydog said:

To add some clarity to this sad situation, why not add the suicide figures to the covid figures! The MJ team have caused irreparable damage to Thailand and it's future, was anyone held responsibe for the collapse of Thai Airways?  No and there never will be along with these pathetic claims to be ordering vaccines. Good luck people....

indeed, that metrics eventually became apparent here in Europe and one was leading reasons for stopping lockdowns early

 

drinking consumption went up like 25% in a matter of weeks, supermarkets running out of stocks for wine, everyone was having happy hours at 2pm ????

31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You failed to address my point and the consequences of opening up. I guess you have no solution to it.

 

If you think infections will be the same more or less if Thailand is open then it really shows just how out of touch you are to covid-19 and the delta strain

If closed borders actually helped, why do we even have the delta strain?

 

The answer is, they don’t help. They would help, if it was a 100% perfectly closed border. Just like a (unattainable) 100% perfect lock down would work. 
 

I am honestly surprised halfway intelligent people can walk through a Thai market and even consider these regulations can be effective. All these regulations are useless. They are half ass. 
 

The only effective tool we have are vaccines. Open everything.

 

As for the rest of it, fool yourself all you want. None of those regulations helped. https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

4 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

indeed, that metrics eventually became apparent here in Europe and one was leading reasons for stopping lockdowns early

 

drinking consumption went up like 25% in a matter of weeks, supermarkets running out of stocks for wine, everyone was having happy hours at 2pm ????

One can also say if you don't lock down early and hard you just drag out the misery and all that comes with it. Here is a good example.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

BREAKING: Starting from 21 July, domestic airlines are not allowed to fly passengers out of the dark red zones. This includes Bangkok. Exceptions are Sandbox and Samui+ flights, medical flights and emergency landing. Other routes can only fly at 50% capacity

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1416719463945101312

 

Those in Phuket who are now able to travel to other provinces will be stranded.  

 

Doesn't bode well for the 'Sandbox'

 

It’s starting to look like tourists on Samui and Phuket will be stranded there for at least the next couple of weeks. Domestic airlines have started to announce cancellation of flights. Please check with your airline or seek other ways to get off the island. Good luck!

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1416744831586496513

 

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

It’s starting to look like tourists on Samui and Phuket will be stranded there for at least the next couple of weeks. Domestic airlines have started to announce cancellation of flights. Please check with your airline or seek other ways to get off the island. Good luck!

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1416744831586496513

 

Oh Snap looks like folks in the Sandbox and the Samui+ locales are going to be stuck like those many tourists were last year. My ex and her family are en-route to Phuket as we speak to do 14 days in the Sandbox before flying up to Udon Thani to check on the family there and the new house build that her new husband is financing.  Looks like they may be stuck in Phuket as well.  They needed to go back by August 5th to the US as our daughter starts High School.  A true ClusterCluck, as I will be unable to see my daughter it appears as she was going to stay here in BKK for a few days.

11 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Those in Phuket who are now able to travel to other provinces will be stranded.  

 

Doesn't bode well for the 'Sandbox'

It’s starting to look like tourists on Samui and Phuket will be stranded there for at least the next couple of weeks. Domestic airlines have started to announce cancellation of flights. Please check with your airline or seek other ways to get off the island. Good luck!

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1416744831586496513

BREAKING: Bangkok Airways has announced the temporary suspension of the Bangkok-Samui route from 21st July 2021 onwards. In addition to that, the airline has postponed some of its domestic routes which were scheduled to resume on the 1st of August 2021 until further notice.

BREAKING: Bangkok Airways has announced the temporary suspension of the Bangkok-Samui route from 21st July 2021 onwards. In addition to that, the airline has postponed some of its domestic routes which were scheduled to resume on the 1st of August 2021 until further

notice.

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1416747718538530827

.

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One can also say if you don't lock down early and hard you just drag out the misery and all that comes with it. Here is a good example.

the lockdown is the misery, the virus is way ahead of you, you are playing catch up with something that is far more advanced than silly lockdowns

37 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

it's because you are not there yet, we went through the same cycle as you are starting now, so I can only tell you with a 12 months lead insight, we all thought that covid daily stats were "re-assuring" and giving us "guidance" but at the end it didn't and now it's clearly documented in Europe by doctors that it was actually increasing anxiety in people.

 

Eventually responsible European "governments" started to "evade" the stats game, and focused their attention on something else (like medical solutions) and finding support among the population for new solutions. They realized that the fear game was starting to backfire.

 

Thailand is not there yet, and so aren't you, but let's revisit this thread in a few months, because things are just about to hit the fan

So let’s sum up where we stand then.

 

1. You have given up on your assertion that people aren’t interested in Covid stats. Very wise since the mere existence of this thread show that they are

 

2. You have moved away from your “government control by fear” theory. Also wise, since the Thai government has always sought to downplay the pandemic by limiting testing and even to the extent of deliberately concealing cases. Hardly conducive to inciting fear.

 

3. With the elimination of 1, and 2 above, goes the concept of actually suppressing Covid information in order to prevent government fear control. That was always contradictory and nonsensical from the start.

 

now we are at the point where you simply want to provide mental well being advice based on your considerable experience because, you aren’t even in Thailand. How inconvenient for you that the first recorded  case of Covid outside of China was……..in Thailand. So whichever European country you are in, Thailand has been dealing with Covid for longer.

 

in any case, despite the nonsense within your first post, I would like to thank you for your well wishes and advice. 

 

Thai anti-government demonstrators burn mock body bags representing coronavirus victims and a puppet depicting Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha

https://twitter.com/TostevinM/status/1416750274077548544

 

14 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

the lockdown is the misery, the virus is way ahead of you, you are playing catch up with something that is far more advanced than silly lockdowns

Silly lockdowns as you say save lives. Guess you're more concerned about you than society as a whole. 

35 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

One can also say if you don't lock down early and hard you just drag out the misery and all that comes with it. Here is a good example.

Yes, lock down light, becomes lockdown long. My own opinion is that it’s early and hard, or it’s very ineffective. So if not doing it early and hard, there had better be an alternative plan. Otherwise you get the mess we have now in Thailand.
 

Having missed the early and hard opportunity, the virus runs out of control. those who advocated for no lockdown are often the ones who express sadness at spiralling numbers of deaths. But deaths are inevitable if the virus is left unchecked.

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Some good news for people with Thailand Elite visas, Smart Visas, & people working for BOI companies, they’ve all been contacted about having vaccinations. This notice is for people with Smart Visas. I hear that BOI companies are already getting appointments for their employees.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1416665135012143105

Still no priority for the elderly and at risk then? I’m sure I heard them mention that before, must have misheard.

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

BREAKING: Starting from 21 July, domestic airlines are not allowed to fly passengers out of the dark red zones. This includes Bangkok. Exceptions are Sandbox and Samui+ flights, medical flights and emergency landing. Other routes can only fly at 50% capacity

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1416719463945101312

 

So you have completed your 14 days quarantine in Phuket or Samui and fly back to the hub of Thailand which is Bangkok . From there you want to travel to your final destination by flight or bus but both will be out of service (   I was told by pal whose Thai wife told him that farangs cannot use buses , start today) . So all that is left will be a taxi or maybe train if they are still running .

7 hours ago, smedly said:

doctors a few weeks back spoke up in public and were threatened and told to shut up or else 

 

The only way to get rid of them is with all the Thai people coming together in such large numbers that they have to flee the country - previous uprisings have been fractious with various factions opposing eachother all wanting power 

 

I see this as different now - there is no longer red and yellow it is just Thai and there are a very large number that are very angry right now from what I am seeing

Unbelievably there are still some coup supporters on here claiming Thaksin and Yingluck were worse or attempting some pathetic equivalency with the rice pledging scheme. We're way beyond that now. 

 

I've never seen Thais so united in anger nor being so or vocal about subjects we cannot discuss here. 

 

Were at a tipping point. 

1 minute ago, superal said:

So you have completed your 14 days quarantine in Phuket or Samui and fly back to the hub of Thailand which is Bangkok . From there you want to travel to your final destination by flight or bus but both will be out of service (   I was told by pal whose Thai wife told him that farangs cannot use buses , start today) . So all that is left will be a taxi or maybe train if they are still running .

They will be stranded in Phuket with no airlines flying to Bangkok.  

45 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

If closed borders actually helped, why do we even have the delta strain?

 

The answer is, they don’t help. They would help, if it was a 100% perfectly closed border. Just like a (unattainable) 100% perfect lock down would work. 
 

I am honestly surprised halfway intelligent people can walk through a Thai market and even consider these regulations can be effective. All these regulations are useless. They are half ass. 
 

The only effective tool we have are vaccines. Open everything.

 

As for the rest of it, fool yourself all you want. None of those regulations helped. https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Ok you're in charge, you speak to the people tomorrow:

 

I've ordered enough vaccines so everybody in the country can get a shot, just don't ask me when that is however. Yes I know I should have done that months ago but hey it is what it is.

 

In the meantime I've had this brilliant idea. We're going to open everything up. Yeeeeees I know the hospitals are full and it will lead to 1000's dying daily with medical staff included in those figures leading to hospitals completely closing but hey, you can recover or perish at home right? Its out of sight there all those morbid goings on.

 

The economy? No problem, me and my mates can ride this out we have plenty of money the rest of you can eat rice donated by the red cross or leave Thailand.