1 hour ago, miketu said:

Has anyone stopped to observe the fact that the more people are vaccinated in a country against covid19, the higher the infection rate seems to be climbing in that country (e.g. Thailand, Philippines, UK, Sweden, etc).  And the climb in the infection rate is not among the un-vaccinated but among the vaccinated.  It would seem that mass covid vaccinations are only serving to lower immunity and increase the infection rate of a country.  Why isn't this being investigated and reported on by mainstream world media??

Source, please.

1 hour ago, johnarth said:

depends if you die at the screen of accident or not, if die on way to hospital or in hospital you die of natural causes as always a Thai gov. directive to cut down road deaths

If you die in a road accident in Thailand whether you die immediately or in hospital the cause of death should appear on the death certificate as being killed in a road accident. That is the law. How the Govt manipulate the figures is up to them.

Off topic posts about lockdowns in Australia have been removed as this topic is about:

 

Pandemic in Thailand: The worst is still to come - DDC predicts 20-30,000 cases and 400 deaths per day

18 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

I used to live in Soi Mahadthai about 25 years ago and when taking open air bus passing there (that was a long time ago), the smell coming from that market was repulsive. About as bad as Khlong Toey market. I would always try to hold my breath for as long as I could and pray for no traffic jams around that bridge over the canal to pass it as quickly as possible.

Klong Toei - god forsaken place of slams and really weirdos, but 25 years ago it was true hell indeed. 25 years brings BOI Fair, Thermae and _____________ [add yourself]

Yeah, 25 years even Klong Toey was less stinky )))

On 7/31/2021 at 2:11 PM, Isaan sailor said:

How about you drop the quarantine for fully vaxxed returning residents?  We’d get on the next available flight outta here.  And you wouldn’t have to vaccinate us…

Perhaps they keep the quarantine high so they can use up a certain vaccine on us…..

On 7/31/2021 at 6:39 AM, webfact said:

Dr Opas said that without lockdown measures there would be 40,000 cases a day, reported Sanook yesterday.

 

The peak would be September 14th.

How convenient, one day inside the PM's prediction of things will get better in 4-6 weeks

The must have all gone to choir practice together.

Real numbers are already way over 50 k cases per day, vast majority of people are not getting tested.

This country is becoming a nightmare,after 10 years I am really considering leaving.

On 7/31/2021 at 7:24 AM, ukrules said:

The penny has finally dropped....

But did tupence fall out of the returns tray?

8 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

And perhaps they’re thinking, well, so-and-so decided to retire in a 3-rd world country—now he or she needs to pay the price, with 3-rd world public health options.

Probably not, as I moved here in my 20s 20 years ago.

10 hours ago, miketu said:

Has anyone stopped to observe the fact that the more people are vaccinated in a country against covid19, the higher the infection rate seems to be climbing in that country (e.g. Thailand, Philippines, UK, Sweden, etc).  And the climb in the infection rate is not among the un-vaccinated but among the vaccinated.  It would seem that mass covid vaccinations are only serving to lower immunity and increase the infection rate of a country.  Why isn't this being investigated and reported on by mainstream world media??

The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is well below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.90% in Oklahoma.

 

So, the number of infections in vaccinated people is very low in the US.

 

Your sources have lied to you again.

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is well below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.90% in Oklahoma.

 

So, the number of infections in vaccinated people is very low in the US.

 

Your sources have lied to you again.

Thanks for the facts.  I think people have to remember vaccines don't prevent a virus from getting into your body.  They do not stop viruses in the nostrils, the battle is fought inside the body.   Some diseases are not transmitted until a person shows symptoms.  In some diseases even if a person becomes mildly sick, they are not capable of transmission.  Covid was never like that and Delta is particularly effective at transmission.  Vaccinated people are still much less likely to catch Covid, including Delta, but in breakthrough cases of Delta, it is easy to transmitted and do so at the same rate as an unvaccinated person.   Regular Covid also has breakthrough cases, but the viral load was low and thus they did not transmit it efficiently.  That was why mask mandates were removed from fully vaccinated people.  With Delta and a high transmission rate even in breakthrough cases, masks need to be worn.   

On a positive note, based on real-world observations, Delta APPEARS to burn itself out in a population quicker than regular Covid.  The reasons for that are unknown and it would be a huge mistake to not take all precautions against catching or passing it to others.   

 

21 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Not an anti vaxer protest. An anti lockdown protest and anti government protest about incompetence and corruption and lack of vaccine. And even if it was an anti vax protest what kind of authoritarian police state uses it army to to police demonstrators?

keep using your hammer but make sure yo don't hit your own head

11 hours ago, miketu said:

Has anyone

No... because you are completely wrong !!!!!!! 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, miketu said:

stopped to observe the fact that the more people are vaccinated in a country against covid19, the higher the infection rate seems to be climbing in that country (e.g. Thailand, Philippines, UK, Sweden, etc).  And the climb in the infection rate is not among the un-vaccinated but among the vaccinated.  It would seem that mass covid vaccinations are only serving to lower immunity and increase the infection rate of a country.  

Total tosh..... at least try to provide a source for such outrageous bull$hittery !

 

11 hours ago, miketu said:

Why isn't this being investigated and reported on by mainstream world media??

Because its untrue... there is no factual basis whatsoever to even bother with an investigation.

 

99.5% of Covid-19 related deaths were unvaccinated people. 

 

IF you are one of the 5% (of those who have taken the mRNA vaccines) and test positive for Covid-19, the vaccine is still protecting you from hospitalisation and death (in all but the rarest of cases).

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/01/995-of-people-killed-by-covid-in-last-6-months-were-unvaccinated-data-suggests/?sh=13968df0493d

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cdc-data-covid-deaths-vaccines-b1881306.html

 

 

 

With the younger crowd getting the virus, but not dying from it,

there are  still many who do not want any vaccines.  I have some relatives who

still claim that COVID is no worse than a regular flu.

  Cannot fix stupid, or brainwashed people.

Geezer

7 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

With the younger crowd getting the virus, but not dying from it,

there are  still many who do not want any vaccines.  I have some relatives who

still claim that COVID is no worse than a regular flu.

  Cannot fix stupid, or brainwashed people.

Geezer

Yep, for a younger person, Covid Delta’s a nonstarter.  The older and more out of shape you become—it gets serious.

19 hours ago, miketu said:

Has anyone stopped to observe the fact that the more people are vaccinated in a country against covid19, the higher the infection rate seems to be climbing in that country (e.g. Thailand, Philippines, UK, Sweden, etc).  And the climb in the infection rate is not among the un-vaccinated but among the vaccinated.  It would seem that mass covid vaccinations are only serving to lower immunity and increase the infection rate of a country.  Why isn't this being investigated and reported on by mainstream world media??

Context....it's something you don't seem to comprehend.

 

"And NBC News also found itself facing criticism when it published a story with the headline, "Breakthrough Covid cases: At least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive." That headline failed to note that, per NBC's own data, that figure represented "less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people fully vaccinated since January." NBC updated its headline later to read, "Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated Americans have tested positive."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/media/variant-media-coverage-white-house/index.html

16 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

Context....it's something you don't seem to comprehend.

 

"And NBC News also found itself facing criticism when it published a story with the headline, "Breakthrough Covid cases: At least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive." That headline failed to note that, per NBC's own data, that figure represented "less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people fully vaccinated since January." NBC updated its headline later to read, "Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated Americans have tested positive."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/media/variant-media-coverage-white-house/index.html

Also keep in mind "break through" cases are defined as cases that resulted in hospitalization

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

"As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.

Previous data on all vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC from January–April 2021 are available."

30 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Yep, for a younger person, Covid Delta’s a nonstarter.  The older and more out of shape you become—it gets serious.

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?...S&ceid=US%3Aen
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

 

Using US Data, there is a 99.95% survival rate for those under 45 who have been infected.

 

1.75% US DEATH rate
2.8% of people who dead were under 45

.0490406% DEATH RATE
99.95% LIVE RATE

7 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

Also keep in mind "break through" cases are defined as cases that resulted in hospitalization

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

"As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.

Previous data on all vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC from January–April 2021 are available."

No they are not, please re-read what you posted eg..."As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause......"  It does not change what a breakthrough case is, but instead changes the monitoring of hospitalized or fatal case.

 

Another snippet from the article you posted as well:

"Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected. COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing illness in vaccinated people. There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19"

 

And the final point you decided not to view and instead ignored:

Defining a vaccine breakthrough infection

For the purpose of this surveillance, a vaccine breakthrough infection is defined as the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen in a respiratory specimen collected from a person ≥14 days after they have completed all recommended doses of a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized COVID-19 vaccine.

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3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

No they are not, please re-read what you posted eg..."As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause......"  It does not change what a breakthrough case is, but instead changes the monitoring of hospitalized or fatal case.

 

Another snippet from the article you posted as well:

"Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected. COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing illness in vaccinated people. There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19"

 

And the final point you decided not to view and instead ignored:

Defining a vaccine breakthrough infection

For the purpose of this surveillance, a vaccine breakthrough infection is defined as the detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen in a respiratory specimen collected from a person ≥14 days after they have completed all recommended doses of a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized COVID-19 vaccine.

.

What I posted comes after the "Defining a vaccine breakthrough infection" and is used to further clarify that definition and how it changed after May 1st.

21 hours ago, miketu said:

Has anyone stopped to observe the fact that the more people are vaccinated in a country against covid19, the higher the infection rate seems to be climbing in that country (e.g. Thailand, Philippines, UK, Sweden, etc).

Because you are in error. I will pick the UK....the vaccination numbers are now 88.6%/72.5% of adults single/double vaccinated. The new infection number is falling, today's number -30% on a 7 day total. So I do not see this observable fact. 

1 hour ago, TooMuchTime said:

What I posted comes after the "Defining a vaccine breakthrough infection" and is used to further clarify that definition and how it changed after May 1st.

I will agree to disagree with your as I read the article completely different then you are, as the CDC did not change the definition they just changed the way they will now monitor those cases and choosing to just monitor those that are only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause.  Monitoring is just that monitoring, it does not change the definition of a breakthrough case as you choose to believe. Here is another part of the article that clarifies that as well:

 

"State health departments report vaccine breakthrough cases to CDC. CDC now monitors reported hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases for clustering by patient demographics, geographic location, time since vaccination, vaccine type, and SARS-CoV-2 lineage. Reported data include hospitalized or fatal breakthrough cases due to any cause, including causes not related to COVID-19.

 

To the fullest extent possible, respiratory specimens that test positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA are collected for genomic sequencing to identify the virus lineage that caused the infection.

 

Some health departments may continue to report all vaccine breakthrough cases to the national database and can continue to submit specimens to CDC for sequencing. However, CDC will focus its monitoring on reported hospitalized and fatal cases.

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is well below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.90% in Oklahoma.

 

So, the number of infections in vaccinated people is very low in the US.

 

Your sources have lied to you again.

Same observations in EU countries

On 7/31/2021 at 5:03 PM, Albert Zweistein said:

Not my feelings, peoples feelings.

Sorry, but most PEOPLE don't give a damn.  

1 hour ago, khaowong1 said:

Sorry, but most PEOPLE don't give a damn.  

Those who give a damn.

Not sure if this is the right thread.

Re: the ambitious "one million a day" vaccination plan,I doubt it can be done. I just read where President Biden called Wednesday a "good day" because "nearly one million" people got vaccinated.

If the US with five times as many people, more resources, and vaccines galore cannot manage a million a day, what are the chances here?

The only good thing that’s come out of this pandemic is that its kicked the <deleted> out of the Thai Baht. However, now you have a catch 22 situation given that who the hell wants to go to Thailand? Prostitutes offering their wares & tares has reached Pussydemic levels with all the new kids on the Block. On Thai dating sites it’s difficult to avoid women not offering these services. Subsequently, a lot of them are still sticking to the old prices when Farangs were more affluent?

On 7/31/2021 at 4:28 PM, MrJ2U said:

Thats so wierd.  My wife (Thai) said a similar thing.

Unsettling.

they mean the bottom half not the top half

 

On 7/31/2021 at 3:41 PM, RocketDog said:

Maybe that's His plan. Life would certainly be easier on this planet with half the people gone.

Asking for help from capricious mystical entities can be dangerous.

they mean the bottom half not the top half