How long will the incoming travel quarantine last? Will the sandbox be continued?

[spidermike007]

Like many others, I am trying to plan a trip overseas. Hoping to head back to the US the end of the year, for over a month. 

 

One of my chief concerns is not only having to jump over the ridiculous hurdles required to get back in, but also the required quarantine. I would be fine with the sandbox. Three days in a hotel on an island, then a vacation on either Samui, or Phuket. That works, if need be. Any info on this? Any inside information about planned re-openings? What is the consensus about them continuing with the sandbox plan?

 

The biggest nightmare would be a 14 day hotel quarantine in Bangkok. This is a difficult decision, as cases here appear to be stabilizing, but who knows? And cases seem to be rising in the US, which complicates things even more. 

[couchpotato]

@spidermike007 You are going at year end, and therefore not returning until 2022.

Now is only August and nobody really knows what's happening tomorrow, let alone 5-6 months from now.

So to ask if someone has 'inside information' on re-openings is a bit naive.

 

(eg: As you see today, UK travellers in Phuket have been caught out by the UK Govt red Zone policy).

[Heng]

Brother Prayuth said the country would open up in October.  ????

[mtls2005]

Your planned return date is? End of January? Beginning of February?

 

Who knows? 

 

My guess: 0 - 3 day quarantine, "0" means no quarantine, with proof of vaccination and a negative PCR test.

 

Maybe any quarantine has to be done at a specific group (with a thousand options) of hotels, ASQ-lite?

 

 

 

 

[internationalism]

Delay travel as long as possible. There would be gradual improvement, as more people around the world are vaxed. Get fully vaxed with whatever possible, try to get a booster. In the usa you can also get a booster. They will be counting them on borders. 
thai wont abandon sandbox, they would be moving goalposts, as they did already, to keep it. 
nobody knows how would be in january, i would not plan yet anything. Tickets can be bought just a few days in advance. Open one or even 2 singles

[Emdog]

Pack a harmonica for whatever may happen. "It's hard making predictions, especially about the future" as Yogi Berra once said. Unless it was Nostradamus...

[JayBird]

It's a good source of revenue.  It may go on until China will allow travelers here to return without being vaccinated.

[misterphil]

I am waiting to return to Thailand when its no quarantine for fully vaxed people. Just like most of the worlds policy. 

[EVENKEEL]

I'm headed back in Oct for 6 weeks. I've been planning this for awhile so didn't follow the vaccine for foreigners. Registered at last minute, may or not get it before US trip but in the US it's just walk in for any vaccine you want.

 

Coming back has a list of hurdles but study the COE requirements and the sandbox should still be available. 2 weeks at a beachside hotel sounds good. One thing to remember is the high season room rates coming up. The worst scenario is 2 weeks in Pattaya ASQ, either way I can't wait to step foot on US soil.

[Thai Visa Member 999999]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm headed back in Oct for 6 weeks. I've been planning this for awhile so didn't follow the vaccine for foreigners. Registered at last minute, may or not get it before US trip but in the US it's just walk in for any vaccine you want.

 

Coming back has a list of hurdles but study the COE requirements and the sandbox should still be available. 2 weeks at a beachside hotel sounds good. One thing to remember is the high season room rates coming up. The worst scenario is 2 weeks in Pattaya ASQ, either way I can't wait to step foot on US soil.

High season rates? I find that hard to believe given where Thailand currently is.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, Thai Visa Member 999999 said:

High season rates? I find that hard to believe given where Thailand currently is.

Double to triple the rates. Go figure.

[shackleton]

How long is a piece of string 

Who knows what the future holds here in Thailand 

It changes like the wind 

[happydreamer]

I honestly can't forsee the quarantine going away until tourism revenue kicks in.  Forcing that quarantine and people to spend money in Thailand's tourist destinations is the only way to keep this place from turning into a complete pit.

 

To be honest, as an American who is more than happy to not have to brave Midwest winters anymore  (I like your sig BTW) I look at it as my contribution to a place that has given me a better quality of life.  We live here and we dont want it turning into a bigger dump than can be reconciled.  Chip in and in the end...it's a welcome home vacay ????  .  I'm going home in a week and taking my wife with me.  Upon coming back home to Thailand in January...a lil Phuket may be just the thing I need.

 

Stay well and safe travels

[Scouse123]

I think most countries are ' throwing in the towel ' against silly expectations of zero covid cases.

 

There is Covid fatigue and they are now facing battered economies, elections etc.

 

I think many countries will shortly introduce minimum travel requirements to fly almost anywhere or their countries face ruination for years.

 

I predict double vaxxed, pre flight covid test, maybe a day 2 covid test, continual mass vaccinations everywhere. No quarantine, it's daft anyway.

 

A man or woman pays for flights, double vaccinatied, covid tests, blah blah and behave responsibly. Joe Bloggs listens to Facebook, refuses vaccine, goes to football matches with crowds of 50,000 plus,, takes up healthcare professionals time and puts them and the public in danger. Where's the logic?

 

Otherwise, prepare for the aviation industry to go bust. Even countries like Qatar, can't go on supporting ans subsidizing forever.

[kingstonkid]

555 

I heard from a friend

of a friend

of a person that works in the government that knows

a girl that is dating

a guy that works for the Prime minster and

he said that it will be next year before they start to remove in Bangkok   555

 

BTW read the above with a smile is is strictly sarcasm.  Your best and only bet is wot prepare for 14 day  ASQ and book your return through Phuket.

 

No one and I mean no one knows at this stage what will happen tomorrow let alone next week.

[khunPer]

On 8/28/2021 at 11:41 AM, spidermike007 said:

This is a difficult decision, as cases here appear to be stabilizing, but who knows?

You answered your question yourself, "who knows?"...????

[pentagara]

7 hours ago, misterphil said:

I am waiting to return to Thailand when its no quarantine for fully vaxed people. Just like most of the worlds policy. 

There's barely any country that offers no quarantine for fully vaxed. Israel reintoduced quarantine, the US doesn't allow any non-resident entries from many countries including all of Europe, vaccinated or not. European countries let in some non-residents that are vaccinated, but whether it's quarantine free depends on the country you go to and where you're from. Bad luck if you're in Thailand and want to go to the UK for example. In Asia, good luck entering anywhere, be it with or without quarantine or vaccination.

[Scouse123]

4 minutes ago, pentagara said:

There's barely any country that offers no quarantine for fully vaxed. Israel reintoduced quarantine, the US doesn't allow any non-resident entries from many countries including all of Europe, vaccinated or not. European countries let in some non-residents that are vaccinated, but whether it's quarantine free depends on the country you go to and where you're from. Bad luck if you're in Thailand and want to go to the UK for example. In Asia, good luck entering anywhere, be it with or without quarantine or vaccination.

Really?

 

https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/countries-open-for-vaccinated-tourists-all-you-need-to-know/

[Boedog]

On 8/29/2021 at 6:25 AM, Heng said:

Brother Prayuth said the country would open up in October.  ????

Grandmaster Prayut talks in riddles of lies and deception 

[pookondee]

Im actually suprised that you consider your worst nightmare to be the wasted time and expense of Thai quarantine.

 

You say you are going to U.S.A, so which state?

 

Are you not worried about picking up Covid while in the U.S and then having problems getting back into Thailand?

 

My worse nightmare is more to do with how the Thai authorities are treating people testing positive somewhere along the way, such as the Sandbox..

(forced into "hospitels" even if Asymptomatic and the like).

 

Will you need insurance on the way back in?

 

The E.U could also be blocking travel from the U.S, so could Thailand also follow suit?

 

I guess one can feel slightly more secure if getting a re-entry permit to return to Thailand with,

but things can change daily with all the nonsense thats going on in the world right now.

 

I certainly wouldnt be going anywhere if i absolutely didnt have to, and the Covid situation in places like Florida is hardly inspiring

 

 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

Really?

 

https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/countries-open-for-vaccinated-tourists-all-you-need-to-know/

The OP is correct. Certainly in Europe there are few, if any, countries where you walk out of the airport and simply go about your daily business. As a bare minimum, most countries require that you take a test and quarantine until a negative result is confirmed. 

 

The site you quote also contains errors. They seem to think that Croatia, England(?) and Ireland are part of the Schengen zone. They aren't.

[Scouse123]

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

The OP is correct. Certainly in Europe there are few, if any, countries where you walk out of the airport and simply go about your daily business. As a bare minimum, most countries require that you take a test and quarantine until a negative result is confirmed. 

 

The site you quote also contains errors. They seem to think that Croatia, England(?) and Ireland are part of the Schengen zone. They aren't.

Well there may be some errors, my point is they are a damn sight easier than Thailand is to get in and out and move around and circulate.

[VBF]

@spidermike007 I read many of your posts with interests and enjoyment, liking some of them as I go.

I'm afraid that the questions that form the title of this thread could best be described as "rhetorical" 

I'd like to help you but neither of my crystal balls is working today ????

 

Seriously, with the speed with which things are changing both in Thailand and the USA (and most other places in the world) it'd be a brave person who would try and answer either question.

You didn't specifically ask for it but my advice would be "unless your trip is essential, stay where you are" or as a wise man once said to me:

"Do nothing.........immediately"  

[spidermike007]

11 minutes ago, VBF said:

@spidermike007 I read many of your posts with interests and enjoyment, liking some of them as I go.

I'm afraid that the questions that form the title of this thread could best be described as "rhetorical" 

I'd like to help you but neither of my crystal balls is working today ????

 

Seriously, with the speed with which things are changing both in Thailand and the USA (and most other places in the world) it'd be a brave person who would try and answer either question.

You didn't specifically ask for it but my advice would be "unless your trip is essential, stay where you are" or as a wise man once said to me:

"Do nothing.........immediately"  

Not essential, but important for a number of reasons. We are going to risk it and go. I seriously need to get out of this place for awhile. Stir crazy does not even begin to describe it. 

 

I am afraid I might commit some major crimes and do some very foolish stuff, if I don't. LOL. 

 

I love Thailand, but I realize I cannot deal with this place for more than 6 months or so, without needing to get out of Dodge for awhile. That seems to keep me sane. 

[Lee4Life]

15 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm headed back in Oct for 6 weeks. I've been planning this for awhile so didn't follow the vaccine for foreigners. Registered at last minute, may or not get it before US trip but in the US it's just walk in for any vaccine you want.

 

Coming back has a list of hurdles but study the COE requirements and the sandbox should still be available. 2 weeks at a beachside hotel sounds good. One thing to remember is the high season room rates coming up. The worst scenario is 2 weeks in Pattaya ASQ, either way I can't wait to step foot on US soil.

high season?

[rickudon]

Obviously the situation is very fluid and it is impossible to predict with any certainty what will be the situation in 2 weeks time, but you can make an educated guess.

 

I returned to UK in middle of July, to see new grandchild (and to get vaccinated). As cases in Thailand increased, and domestic airlines started cancelling, i knew it was go NOW or risk a world of hurt. Barely made it to Bangkok for my international flight (last flight from Udon Thani from any airline for some days). Rest of trip was OK. I was expecting Thailand to go on the UK red list at beginning of August, but as usual UK makes it's travel restrictions only after the horse has bolted.

I booked a return at the time for mid-October, in the hope that the current Thai wave will have died down, vaccination increased substantially and in the forlorn hope that Prauth's promises to open up Thailand in October actually happens. I do not want to quarantine in Bangkok, but if i have to, will (i may delay return by a few weeks if that helps). After all, criminals survive prison only slightly damaged, sure i can survive 2 weeks quarantine as long as i have my Netflix and computer games!

 

If anyone from UK actually decided to holiday for a few weeks in Phuket sandbox in August, and thought that they would have no issues returning to UK, was just stupid. So far i have guessed the pandemic mainly correctly over the last one and a half years, by monitoring trends. A little scientific background in biology helped as well. Remember the winter wave in the northern temperate countries will still occur.

[The Farang]

I wouldn't waste your money coming to Thailand now.  Especially through the expensive Sandbox.  Just so you know 2 days of the 14 day quarantine you have to wait in your room for PCR test results. Nothing is open.  Most of the people who come are returning expats or Thais.  People who have family or business there.  Other than that its a waist of money.  Curfew at 9pm which limits your travel around the country, crime is up more than I have seen it before, and the vibe now is totally different.   One good thing is the beaches aren't as crowded but their is only so much beach you can do before wanting to do more.  Covid is out of control in Phuket as well.

[ftpjtm]

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Not essential, but important for a number of reasons. We are going to risk it and go. I seriously need to get out of this place for awhile. Stir crazy does not even begin to describe it. 

 

I am afraid I might commit some major crimes and do some very foolish stuff, if I don't. LOL. 

 

I love Thailand, but I realize I cannot deal with this place for more than 6 months or so, without needing to get out of Dodge for awhile. That seems to keep me sane. 

We left Thailand in May, which was pretty good timing IMO. We don't have a return date yet, but definitely don't want to do 14 days in BKK quarantine. 

 

Drop a note if you're in the New England area. 

[NoshowJones]

On 8/29/2021 at 5:25 AM, Heng said:

Brother Prayuth said the country would open up in October.  ????

He also said there will be no coup, 7 years later he is still there, as unelected as ever.

[Heng]

9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

He also said there will be no coup, 7 years later he is still there, as unelected as ever.

I have no recollection of that, senator.