Just now, Pushbiker said:

Got my 1st Pfizer jab yesterday 2pm. Collapsed at 11pm with cerebral cramps + vomiting -> emergency room. Age 37 height 185 weight 75 sportsman.

Got my first Sinopharm jab a month ago at 9am, I was having a beer at 6pm...

Same thing with my second jab...

An ol' guy that needs some exercise...????

On 9/10/2021 at 7:19 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Avoiding the obvious ‘anti-vaxx’ discussion... 

 

Thailand will make a lot of announcements that vaccines are require to go to the shops, restaurant, domestic travel.. but really, its just too hard to keep on top of for a nation while has such apathy towards an form of controls - As with nearly all announcements, they will be made, then forgotten about a few weeks later. 

 

The only issue could be ‘International entry’ - it may that a vaccination is required to enter Thailand for the forceable future. 

Thank you for keeping your comments respectful and confined to the question at hand.  A further question, is a vaccination now required to enter Thailand? I had not heard that it was.

6 minutes ago, Pushbiker said:

Got my 1st Pfizer jab yesterday 2pm. Collapsed at 11pm with cerebral cramps + vomiting -> emergency room. Age 37 height 185 weight 75 sportsman.

Got my first Pfizer last week. 65, 171cm, 97kg. No issues.

 

Obviously a lot depends on individuals. I love peanuts but some people die with a hint of them.

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

Not that I recall.

 

Polio was not a jab.

You probably did, and initially there was a polio jab cos I had one. The oral route did not come out until the early 60s.

 

Most kids I know had this: In the early 1950s, four vaccines were available: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

 

This was in the UK, but quite probably different in other countries, and what the anti-vaxxers don't seem to realise is that vaccinations have been around for over a century so all of this scaremongering is just a nonsense...........

 

 Edward Jenner is considered the founder of vaccinology in the West in 1796, after he inoculated a 13 year-old-boy with vaccinia virus (cowpox), and demonstrated immunity to smallpox. In 1798, the first smallpox vaccine was developed. Over the 18th and 19th centuries, systematic implementation of mass smallpox immunisation culminated in its global eradication in 1979.

 

Louis Pasteur’s experiments spearheaded the development of live attenuated cholera vaccine and inactivated anthrax vaccine in humans (1897 and 1904, respectively). Plague vaccine was also invented in the late 19th Century. Between 1890 and 1950, bacterial vaccine development proliferated, including the Bacillis-Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccination, which is still in use today. 

 

In 1923, Alexander Glenny perfected a method to inactivate tetanus toxin with formaldehyde. The same method was used to develop a vaccine against diphtheria in 1926. Pertussis vaccine development took considerably longer, with a whole cell vaccine first licensed for use in the US in 1948.

 

Just now, xylophone said:

You probably did, and initially there was a polio jab cos I had one. The oral route did not come out until the early 60s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was born late 70's.

Your best bet would be Missouri. Please don't come to Thailand .

They are already talking about vaccine passports here for domestic travel and to dine in at restaurants, I suspect bars etc will be the same.

I don't think you will be able to travel here without being vaccinated.

On 9/11/2021 at 9:04 AM, transam said:

Firstly, there is less risk from the vaccine than eating lead bullets....

Especially when they are traveling at speed.

I really wonder why you don't want to be vaccinated?

But of course it's your choice of life......could be short eventually.????

 

When Qantas resumes international flights in December, all pax will need to be vaccinated or they won't be allowed to board. That's already declared airline policy. Many, if not most, international airlines have similar plans.. So choosing the 'right' airline (ie, from your perspective, one that doesn't require vaccination) is the first hurdle. The second hurdle will be entry to Thailand at Immigration checkpoints, and that sounds possible right now, assuming you are Covid negative on arrival. The third hurdle will be meeting requirements to stay here, which could change. 

So my guess: if you come sooner rather than later you'll probably be able to get in. 

How good a strategy that is from a long stay perspective ... your guess is as good as mine. 

If someone gets covid and recovers,

and an anti-body test shows  > 3000,

wouldn't that be way better than a  'vaccine.'?

 

14 hours ago, BangkokBaksida said:

...to repeat my question:  Is it still possible to enter Thailand now without being vaccinated?

Highly unlikely you could even get on the plane.

49 minutes ago, Pushbiker said:

Got my 1st Pfizer jab yesterday 2pm. Collapsed at 11pm with cerebral cramps + vomiting -> emergency room. Age 37 height 185 weight 75 sportsman.

73 / 195 / 98k reasonable shape = bike + home gym......Took first Pfizer jab.... Literally zero side affects other than a slightly sore shoulder.....No pre jab prep other than drank some water....We stopped to eat on the way home....

Kept waiting for body aches or other side affects = none.....

If nothing else I had body mass to help.....

On 9/11/2021 at 8:53 AM, AmericanMusashi said:

Will I be able to get visa's and stay in Thailand without it?

Hopefully not.

On 9/11/2021 at 9:23 AM, Ralf001 said:

Millions in Thailand are not vaccinated or in a hospital bed.

Right, based on that pearl of wisdom I’m off to get my vaccine removed

1 minute ago, Fairynuff said:

Right, based on that pearl of wisdom I’m off to get my vaccine removed

Nah leave it in, you could still end up in a hospital bed !!

34 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

You do know for that one article theres a thousand more that recommend getting vaccinated.

 

You may not need one to fully intergrate into society but the time is coming.

 

Its time to roll up that sleeve and put on man pants and get vaccinated.

 

 

There would be even more articles and videos recommending that people not get vaccinated, but they get censored.  And that's a big part of my argument:  We should be allowed to hear both sides of the argument because when most people hear only one side, like you do, then they come to the desired, but wrong, conclusion.  

3 hours ago, dsj said:

It might be possible, but tell me where you are going to live, and I will avoid you like the plaque, also pretty soon if you don't get vaxed your travel options will be several curtailed, as most western countries will require full vaccination before entry, like Canada which only allows fully vaccinated people, as probably near all the airlines will require everyone to be fully vaccinated before they can board.

Remember that being vaccinated doesn't mean you can spread the virus. Amen.

1 hour ago, Pushbiker said:

Got my 1st Pfizer jab yesterday 2pm. Collapsed at 11pm with cerebral cramps + vomiting -> emergency room. Age 37 height 185 weight 75 sportsman.

Not good. Hope you are OK. A family friend who has some health issues had an issue too and stayed in hospital for a night.

I had my first Pfizer on Friday and it was fine. 

yes no problem, and anyway vaccine pass is super cheap here...

 

2 hours ago, James105 said:

People who say they are going to avoid the unvaxxed like the plague are effectively saying that they do not trust the vaccine, yet are demanding others to take something they clearly do not trust themselves.  

Totally wrong. Those of us who choose to vaccinate understand that we can still get Covid. Those antivaxxers generally are very vocal about it and easily avoidable

2 hours ago, PaoloR said:

Explain why all over the Southern USA the numbers clearly show that over 95% of those catching this disease are unvaccinated.

If you wish to die of this disease and are so misled that you call this life-saving vaccine a poison - please do us all a favour and stay away

There’s barely a week goes by that we don’t hear about another anti vax talk show host dying of Covid so before too long they’ll all be gone. Can’t be a bad thing.

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

Proof ?

Facts but I dare say you’ll be asking for a link rather than finding out for yourself 

12 minutes ago, BangkokBaksida said:

most people hear only one side, like you do, then they come to the desired, but wrong, conclusion.  

So YOUR conclusion is the correct one?

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Polio was not a jab.

A vaccine doesn’t have to be a jab. Widely known fact.

1 minute ago, Fairynuff said:

Facts but I dare say you’ll be asking for a link rather than finding out for yourself 

So you have nothing to present to back your post.

 

not surprised at all to be honest.

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

Nothing stopping me from catching the Covids and taking it home.

 

Plenty at my work are testing positive, many of which have had their second jab.

Of which you read nothing in the press.

2 hours ago, transam said:

Did you have a Smallpox, Polio, or TB jab as a kid...?

You mean the ones that work after you take them?

 

even when someone  who did not get vaxxed for them?

 

and if something goes wrong the maker is liable ?

 

Hell yes!  And dozens of other meds that have a history of working.

 

or do you mean that drug that is now requiring 4 shots ,

doesn’t work even amongst other vaxxed people?

 

but is more of a unreachable  carrot of a promise that keeps getting moved so that people accept fore and more controls to get back what is their god given rights of nature to gather and earn livings ?

 

of course you dont take the shot if you are not sure of it.  But if you are, take it.

 

but, pleeeeeaaaase…. comparing it to proven meds that are 100% proven to work.?

 

cmon man!

 

only thing it’s working right now is to the tune of $30 billion in profits per shot  seller.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pushbiker said:

Got my 1st Pfizer jab yesterday 2pm. Collapsed at 11pm with cerebral cramps + vomiting -> emergency room. Age 37 height 185 weight 75 sportsman.

And here you are just a few hours later well enough to tell us all. Hmmmmm

2 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

You mean the ones that work after you take them?

 

even when someone  who did not get vaxxed for them?

 

and if something goes wrong the maker is liable ?

 

Hell yes!  And dozens of other meds that have a history of working.

 

or do you mean that drug that is now requiring 4 shots ,

doesn’t work even amongst other vaxxed people?

 

but is more of a unreachable  carrot of a promise that keeps getting moved so that people accept fore and more controls to get back what is their god given rights of nature to gather and earn livings ?

 

of course you dont take the shot if you are not sure of it.  But if you are, take it.

 

but, pleeeeeaaaase…. comparing it to proven meds that are 100% proven to work.?

 

cmon man!

 

only thing it’s working right now is to the tune of $30 billion in profits per shot  seller.

 

 

Covid vaccine makers have been granted indemnity for when it is found out their jungle juice really was a bit ordinary after all !!

56 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

You do know for that one article theres a thousand more that recommend getting vaccinated.

But if you only read what suits your own agenda then there are thousands of links that will tell you it’ll make you radioactive or blue tooth enabled.