What is it with this Government's obsession with the banning of alcohol?

 

One fact that has probably escaped the Government's notice is that by banning alcohol, people (especially teenagers/twentysomethings) may well turn their attention to other "happiness invoking substances" and could possibly become a catalyst for a more serious form of drug addiction.

 

I know from personal experience having lost a few friends to drug abuse that banning/reducing the availabilty of certain "soft drugs" can set the user on the much more dangerous path of "hard drugs". 

Wrong forum. Moved to there.

Agreed… 

 

The logic is backwards….

 

By removing a freedom, more people want to ‘do it’….

 

Or, as you mentioned, more people may turn to alternatives. 

 

But..,.. with freedom comes a level of responsibility which requires management.

 

That ‘management’ comes from

the individual or from

a societal perspective in

the manner of policing those who abuse those freedoms. 
 

The police are lazy - blanket bans are easier. 

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Wrong forum. Moved to there.

Thanks Joe!

After the second lockdown the sale of alcohol anywhere was in place. I never once thought "gee I can't have a cold beer, hey I know I'll try some yaba" Never once.

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

After the second lockdown the sale of alcohol anywhere was in place. I never once thought "gee I can't have a cold beer, hey I know I'll try some yaba" Never once.

I said "may" and  "happiness invoking substances" doesn't just mean "Yaba"! How old are you, by the way?

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

After the second lockdown the sale of alcohol anywhere was in place. I never once thought "gee I can't have a cold beer, hey I know I'll try some yaba" Never once.

Yeah, but a 70 year old sex-pest is probably more interested in Viagra than Yabaa !!!... ????

 

Alcohol is presently available. 

Just have to know where to go.

42 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Alcohol is presently available. 

Just have to know where to go.

Of course it's available - 711, Macro, Tesco etc etc.

 

I'm talking about sitting down in a bar or restaurant and having a social drink with your mates. That appears to have been outlawed, and anybody whe gets caught drinking illegally in a bar /restaurant faces a hefty fine and a night in the cells.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yeah, but a 70 year old sex-pest is probably more interested in Viagra than Yabaa !!!... ????

 

Especially one aiming to become a hardened criminal.

3 hours ago, sambum said:

What is it with this Government's obsession with the banning of alcohol?

Lets try this.

 

What is it with forum posters obsession with the banning of alcohol?

6 minutes ago, sambum said:

Of course it's available - 711, Macro, Tesco etc etc.

 

I'm talking about sitting down in a bar or restaurant and having a social drink with your mates. That appears to have been outlawed, and anybody whe gets caught drinking illegally in a bar /restaurant faces a hefty fine and a night in the cells.

No, not at all. 

Where is it written that one has to partake of a bar/pub/restaurant to imbibe? 

Everyone and anyone continue to gather at homes in a social atmosphere enjoying the elixirs of choice and company. 

 

I'm gonna guess that you limit your choice of company to Farang and the expected/predictable locales. 

 

2 minutes ago, Pravda said:

Lets try this.

 

What is it with forum posters obsession with the banning of alcohol?

Exactly.

Succinctly put. 

3 hours ago, Pravda said:

Lets try this.

 

What is it with forum posters obsession with the banning of alcohol?

Because they're not used to Prohibition - and look where that ended up!

3 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

No, not at all. 

Where is it written that one has to partake of a bar/pub/restaurant to imbibe? 

Everyone and anyone continue to gather at homes in a social atmosphere enjoying the elixirs of choice and company. 

 

I'm gonna guess that you limit your choice of company to Farang and the expected/predictable locales. 

 

"No. not at all" to what question? I didn't pose a question, and didn't say  that it was "written that one HAS to partake ..................etc etc"

 

What I did say was that I enjoyed GOING OUT to a bar or restaurant..........etc etc

 

And I think you may be wrong with your statement re "everyone and anyone" - the last time I heard was that (in my area anyway) there is a restriction on the number of people that are allowed to partake of alcohol - even in your own home?

 

And do you not enjoy a natter with your mates without having to worry about "your other half"? I think it's a good thing that couples take a couple of hours break from each other now and again - especially if they've been cooped up together all day!

 

And in reply to your final "suspicion" - I enjoy the company of Thais as well as farangs as I am married to a Thai lady, and enjoy the company of her lady friends as well as their Thai or farang boyfriends/husbands.

 

Think that about sums it up!

 

 

 

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yeah, but a 70 year old sex-pest is probably more interested in Viagra than Yabaa !!!... ????

 

I would not recommend anyone over 60 mess with any amphetamine, yaba (pills) ya ice (crystal) meth. Also, hear me out -we'll get back on topic (ALCOHOL) in a short while.

 

The dirty little secret of amphetamines is they leave "drunk sex" in the dust.

That's why it's now unstoppable, and sized by the tonne.

 

The rush is like sex and skydiving combined. You'll see stars when you orgasm, after three or maybe 36 hours, YMMV as they say depending on how much you consume, your muscles will ache after it like you ran a marathon, which you sort of did.

 

The horror stories are because it's illicit. There are no quality or strength mandates, as with alcohol. There is no scientific research to find the "responsible use" sweet-spot, or daily limit, such as with alcohol. 

There are no gatekeepers to ask for ID when it is sold, such as with cigarettes and alcohol.

 

It's a problem because the assbackwards way society approach it create the problems!

 

In spite of this, there are far less assaults due to meth psychosis, which is the equivalent of raging alcoholism, than there are when yobbos simply get drunk.

 

It's time somebody pointed these truths out.

 

There are TONNES of meth being seized, it costs a fortune in Australia $900 a gram or more, and it's not cheap in the States either, though much less.

Far from being only used by the wild-eyed raving wretches that pop up on social media for cheap laughs and to scare the impressionable. It is everywhere! And yet the world still turns, and suburban users show up for work, and don't manage to kill themselves or anyone else, most of the time (Thai drivers don't count, they're crazed right out the box!) 

 

So to keep it on topic, yes, I agree the alcohol ban may tempt kids to try hard drugs, and by the way, if the after-effects of doing too much alcohol is not a hard drug, I don't know what is, all the way from feeling like death warmed up the entire next day, to death itself, from acute intoxication or misadventure.

 

If illicit drugs (I think hard/soft classification is a non-sense prohibition propaganda term. In the fraught discussion around drugs, except the drug alcohol, every second word is a deliberate trigger-word, it's astonishing once one realises that!) but if illicit drugs were made, marketed, and understood as in medically approved dose education, then, like alcohol, most of them would be safe to use recreationally, in the exact same responsible way alcohol is.

 

And if you want people to stay home, deliver meth to them by courier. They will not emerge for weeks! They'd be having too much fun going at it like rabbits then sleeping it off then going again!

 

Here's hoping the world will eventually figure out that if they lied about weed and kratom, they ARE also, take it from me -in real life I network with progressive western police, doctors, and harm reduction experts, not conspiracy theorists and pushers- lying about every other substance too.

They can't know because they've not done the updated research others have.  But they have it plastered all over the internet as gospel, "Drugs are bad mmmkay?" Sadly, you still have to go deeper than the first page of google to find the truth about drugs.  

 

In a wiser world most drugs would be preferred to alcohol anyway, for health and fun reasons.

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

After the second lockdown the sale of alcohol anywhere was in place. I never once thought "gee I can't have a cold beer, hey I know I'll try some yaba" Never once.

Which proves the point that if drugs were sold like every other consumable, and not banned, most people not so inclined to use them would not bother.  More generally, drug use is no more specifically "youth oriented" than alcohol is, another myth. Drinkers and users come in all ages.

4 hours ago, sambum said:

Because they're not used to Prohibition - and look where that ended up!

There's not a prohibition. 

Need to be a little more observant and knowledgeable - 

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What ban ?

 

I buy 2 cans of Leo 8 at 5pm everyday (7/11) to enjoy on my drive home from work.

9 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Alcohol is presently available. 

Just have to know where to go.

Indeed, like 7/11's, Family marts. Supermarkets, Mom and pop stores, ETC ETC ETC.

3 hours ago, chalawaan said:

There are TONNES of meth being seized, it costs a fortune in Australia $900 a gram or more,

 

 

Price spike because of covid ?

 

$900 used to buy an 8 Ball.... bout 3 years ago.

Yup. I really miss going out and drinking, watching a game together with the local expat crowd, sharing some stories. I often get asked what it's like in Thailand, and aside from interacting with the Thais themselves, I tell people it's like traveling the world, meeting all those who've come here as I did. You don't very well do that at a coffee shop or restaurant. The place is in a bar, with the good ol' social lubricant.

 

On yaba, you surely haven't missed all the pics in the news of the busts the cops love to trot out? The piles and piles of bundled pills and powders? That's just what they catch, imagine what gets away. Our here in the moo ban, a bit far from the towns and shops, I'm quite certain that yaba's a lot easier to get than alcohol, even moreso with these silly restrictions and bans, on particular days, times, and gatherings.

 

In my years here I've heard more than a few scuffles out in the soi where the moo ban comes to gather 'round. It's a dad and his son at it again. Son is a young man at home all day, won't go out to work, and in the shouting match the problem is revealed, it's the yaba. Fortunately this is all my local episodes have escalated to, I'm sure in the news you've seen much worse.

 

Oh well. Now with the rainy season comes fishing, and the cops can't bust my little parties way out in the countryside, down by the river. ????????

4 hours ago, chalawaan said:

 

In spite of this, there are far less assaults due to meth psychosis, which is the equivalent of raging alcoholism, than there are when yobbos simply get drunk.

Is that an absolute, relative or anecdotal statistic?

 

If it's an absolute statical it's hardly surprising, considering the drinker:meth head ratio.

 

If it's based on percentages then it is indeed a very surprising nuber.

There's a small but powerful group that is opposed to alcohol.

9 hours ago, sambum said:

Of course it's available - 711, Macro, Tesco etc etc.

 

I'm talking about sitting down in a bar or restaurant and having a social drink with your mates. That appears to have been outlawed, and anybody whe gets caught drinking illegally in a bar /restaurant faces a hefty fine and a night in the cells.

Unless, it has been suggested, one patronises the establishments owned by the same people who own the cells.

 

Remarkably (!), many have managed to remain open.

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yeah, but a 70 year old sex-pest is probably more interested in Viagra than Yabaa !!!... ????

 

YaBoing.

9 hours ago, sambum said:

Of course it's available - 711, Macro, Tesco etc etc.

 

I'm talking about sitting down in a bar or restaurant and having a social drink with your mates. That appears to have been outlawed, and anybody whe gets caught drinking illegally in a bar /restaurant faces a hefty fine and a night in the cells.

So if someone can't have a social drink in a bar or restaurant then they "may well turn their attention to other "happiness invoking substances" and could possibly become a catalyst for a more serious form of drug addiction."? 

 

Sounds like they didn't need much to push them into being a drug addict. 

9 hours ago, Pravda said:

Lets try this.

 

What is it with forum posters obsession with the banning of alcohol?

Quite simply, many of the contributors to this forum enjoy having a drink in a bar, and are irked by the way in which the places which they frequent have been arbitrarily closed, for little apparent purpose, and with no apparent concern for those who own and work in them.

 

Enjoying a drink in a bar makes one neither a raving alcoholic nor a sex fiend with a semi permanent chemically induced erection.

 

In 95% of the establishments in the country having a drink would not increase ones susceptibility to infection any more than a trip to a supermarket, a ride on public transport or most other daily activities. 

13 hours ago, sambum said:

I know from personal experience having lost a few friends to drug abuse that banning/reducing the availabilty of certain "soft drugs" can set the user on the much more dangerous path of "hard drugs". 

The old chestnut of the 'gateway drug'... just like a drink of beer will lead you to start drinking methylated spirits.

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

What ban ?

 

I buy 2 cans of Leo 8 at 5pm everyday (7/11) to enjoy on my drive home from work.

Apparently you don't know that drinking and driving is not allowed????