UK continues its refusal to recognise vaccines administered in Thailand

[Raphael Hythlodaeus]

6 hours ago, medina21 said:

The UK government needs to explain why Astra Zeneca in Thailand is not the same as Astra Zeneca in the UK. It's time for the Ambassador to demand an explanation and for the government to provide one.

Excuse me, but surely you know the British Ambassador could not care a toss about us. Never has, never will. 

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, PeeJayEm said:

Yes - in other words, places that the UK can vet and trust.

 

 

You flatter the UK.

 

 

I suspect it is far more simply, and statistically, determined - rather than "Oh, they look like trustworthy sort of chaps......."

[Dart12]

"Does Not Have Covid". should be the only requirement upon flight.

 

[Blumpie]

Just a thought, maybe it's easy to forge documents, pay off people, etc saying that you had a dose when you really didn't.

Think about it.  Thailand is pretty corrupt.  

[Blumpie]

3 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

"Does Not Have Covid". should be the only requirement upon flight.

 

Well it is a requirement so get your vaccine if you haven't.  ????  

[Dart12]

3 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

Well it is a requirement so get your vaccine if you haven't.  ????  

Having a vaccine or no vaccine, I want you verified as covid free before you get on.  That's teh only way I become affected.

 

[Blumpie]

4 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

Having a vaccine or no vaccine, I want you verified as covid free before you get on.  That's teh only way I become affected.

 

Ah but you can much more easily catch it with no vaccine and your first days you will be positive and test negative.

IT doesn't matter if people agree or not, it's the way it is and the way it WILL BE.  ????  Nobody on this board has any say about it.  

[Nip]

7 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

It would appear as if the UK has some severe reservations over the actual Integrity, and provenance of the Vaccines administered in Thailand.

 

As with a curriculum vitae its more about what it doesn't say as opposed to what it does say. 

[Bkk Brian]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

I am making a statement based on fact as is quoted in the article, simple enough for you now?

 

I'll repeat it again for you:

 

Obviously this does not mean the Sinovac combination:

 

“Where two doses of a vaccine are required for a full course, you will be able to mix two different types of vaccine, for example, Oxford/AstraZeneca and Moderna, have the two vaccinations under two different approved programmes, for example, Australia and Japan, UK and USA, EU and Canada,” the Departments note.

 

At the same time, the Departments have noted that only four vaccines will continue to be accepted as valid proof of immunity against COVID-19, which are Pfizer/BioNTech, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson).

 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/uk-now-recognises-eu-nationals-vaccinated-with-2-different-covid-19-doses-as-fully-vaccinated/

[jayboy]

This thread is becoming unhelpful since it's not shedding light and errors of fact are being endlessly repeated.. The problem has nothing at all to do with the vaccines administered in Thailand.The issue is with certification and even here it's is not Thailand specific since several countries are affected.According to the new Ambassador the issue is being worked on in London but an update on progress is well overdue.It would be helpful to have a bit more specificity on exactly what London considers the certification problem to be.

 

 

 

 

[digger70]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

In addition, the UK still does not consider people who have been vaccinated in Thailand, even if they have received two doses of the same vaccine, as being “fully vaccinated”.

Maybe they know something is a bit Fishy with the Vaccines that are used in the Asian countries.

[Keesters]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

“It is like the British government is punishing me for being an expat in Thailand”, a reader told ASEAN NOW

Same with British pensioners. No increases because we live in the wrong country. 

[chrisbangkok]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

which in fact is marginally below the UK red list rules and quite a distance from the UK's green list rules

Anyone can come to the uk , two weeks quarantine in state approved hotel at cost job done ... sound familiar ex pats ? 

[Keesters]

7 hours ago, rbkk said:

Absolutely. Problem is it's a holiday. They don't work or respond on holidays or weekends. There is a track record with that.

They have stated that those vaccinated in Thailand also are not allowed to get a NHS vaccine passport as well.

Haven't UK vaccine passports been abandoned? Why anyone would want one beats me. 

[Keesters]

7 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

There is a government online petition that you can all sign.

 

Not sure if the link is allowed - just in case it is

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/594456

No plans to travel anywhere for the rest of my days but I signed it anyway to show my support. 

 

Best wishes. 

[rbkk]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Stated by who?

You are talking garbage. The NHS app is extemely difficult to access and if you have difficulty you must see a GP, but you cannot see a GP because it is not an emergency.

The system is fundamentally flawed for those in the UK far less from outside.

British Embassy.

 Thailand Covid-19 vaccination update 15th September 2021.

"NHS COVID Passes/Vaccine Passports are currently not available for people who have been vaccinated outside of the UK."

I guess your not on their mailing list....

Edited September 24, 2021 by rbkk

[Joinaman]

8 hours ago, Johnny Mac said:

So all the smug ones who thought they  would be in a better position with say 2 pzifers or 2 moderna's are not. The UK doesn't take Thailand seriously as a nation (unless they want some rice) so we're all in the same boat as far as any expat wanting to go to the UK. Suck on that.

why the silly post ?

Any person wishing to go to the UK with a double dose of vaccine can do so, but will entail a nice holiday stopover in a choice of countries

So why the remark about smug people , unless your one of the " smart" ones who jumped at the chance for the chinese rubbish ?

[kiwikeith]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

The UK is also not recognising any vaccination certificates issued in India, including those for Indian AZ which is actually approved in the UK because they imported several million doses and administered them. There was an issue that France would not accept Brits vaccinated in the UK with Indian AZ and the UK protested.  

 

For now its about the trustworthiness of the certificates rather than the vaccines.  I think they will eventually accept Thai certificates for AZ, Pfizer or Moderna.  When they refer to mix and match, they mean AZ+Pfizer or Moderna, not Sinovac or Sinopharm.  I don't think they can recognise Chinese or Russian vaccines because they haven't approved them and believe they are ineffective against delta. 

I am contemplating, England does not like certificates from Mumbai, goodness gracious me, oh Dr I'm in trouble, every time I vaccinate no one believes me!

[trainman34014]

8 hours ago, Exploring Thailand said:

If they're going to impede vaccinated British citizens' ability to return to the UK, then it's incumbent upon them to explain exactly why they're doing so.

 

My guess is that they're most worried about the lack of testing. They're concerned that if a new virus appears, it won't be picked up. But we shouldn't have to guess. They should tell us the reason (and also tell the Thai government). 

 

It would be good to see @British Consular Team active in this thread, or addressing the issue elsewhere. 

Meanwhile at the British Consul...Zzzzzzzz

[bert bloggs]

What really gets to me is that you can be British have two vacs,and you cant go to your home country ,yet you can row over from France,never been to the UK in your life and you dont need to be vacinated and get your hotel room free , 

Sorry if this is off topic a bit ,but its so unfare.

[tomacht8]

9 hours ago, medina21 said:

The UK government needs to explain why Astra Zeneca in Thailand is not the same as Astra Zeneca in the UK. It's time for the Ambassador to demand an explanation and for the government to provide one.

True. 

2.Shots Astra.

What is the problem?

The vaccine is the same that is being injected all over the world.

Is there a good reason for that? Or it is just the obvious ineptitude that the UK government has shown on several occasions?

 

The morbid compulsion of the UK government to do something different than any other country in the EU. Profiling mania with partially empty supermarket shelves and expensive forced quarantine for fully vaccinated holiday returnees. I'm not British, but that would annoy me as a British. Sorry to say that.

Edited September 24, 2021 by tomacht8

[Fairynuff]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

So would you think they would accept the Mor Phrom app showing the certificate as being correct even though its in Thai as well as the certificate the hospital gave out.

The U.K. government not trusting anyone is a huge irony given that they’re the most corrupt government the U.K. has ever known.

[gamini]

9 hours ago, RafPinto said:

The guy on the photo would have a good career in a massage shop.

Who are the clouns people refer to on t.his topic. Thailand with a larger population has had 16,000 deaths from the virus whilst the UK has had  160,000. What hypocritisy! In spite of everything Thailand has managed the virus much better than the UK in fact 10 times better

[PEE TEE]

5 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Yeah real stupid.

- helped fund Oxford University create AZ vaccine to help get the world out of this mess. (possibly injected in your arm.)

- one of the world's largest genome sequencing capabilities to discover and warn the rest of the world of new variants of concern.

- a furlough scheme to support businesses and employees through the worst of the pandemic.

- donating vaccines globally to third world countries (like Thailand).

Maybe you got a donated AZ vaccine in your arm FOC gifted from the UK.

 

Keep your ill informed and bigoted opinions to yourself.

Now, care to tell us where your from?

If you read it you would see i am from England 30 miles west of London give Boris my love I've not been there for over 20 years thank God .go fly your flag and yes my opinions bigoted and they are correct epically about the immigrants and the government . all the other stuff is all paid for by the tax payers and that still includes

me 

[tomyami]

lack of trust in data and standards I would imagine is part of the refusal recognise even the mrna doses might not have been administered under the same standards as the UK.

This is a problem for many asian countries.

Until we see data that matches the results in the west there will be mistrust

Thailand was blaming foreigners for spreading the virus and not treating them equally in the vaccine roll out

I saw the ugly side of this in march at swampy

I can understand some who wish to return might feel its unfair one of the syptoms of covid

[3NUMBAS]

sensible imo .sinovac wont cut it

[DefaultName]

Even if they trust the vaccines, they cannot trust the testing, record keeping, or the declared numbers.  I live here and I don't trust them, why would the UK?

[TechnikaIII]

Should the Thai government, in a stroke of wisdom, pull its head out its rear end, and treat farang with respect, maybe other countries will modify their own rules.

But no. They, the govt. and participating hotels are going to milk this scam for all it's worth.

[cncltd1973]

9 hours ago, smedly said:

I think this article is a bit deceptive, it is trying to blame the vaccine for Thailand being on the UK red list when in fact that is not actually true, someone vaccinated in to UK returning to the UK from Thailand is required to quarantine also - the vaccine has nothing to do with it

 

If Thailand was removed from the UK red list then they may in fact recognise AZ and Pfizer administered in Thailand but possibly not and of the Chinese vaccines 

Or they're worried about welcoming in a new, unknown variant or mutation from Thailand?

[hotandsticky]

26 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

Even if they trust the vaccines, they cannot trust the testing, record keeping, or the declared numbers.  I live here and I don't trust them, why would the UK?

 

 

So you trust numbers from the UK?