Why so many chinese cars MG cars ? do people only care to buy something cheap, whatever is the quality ?

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, transam said:

That has nothing to do with a product, MG, being 100% Chinese...????

MG Thailand is not 100% Chinese.

 

The company is part owned by a Thai company and to meet interior taxes will have to have a certain amount Thailand sourced components....

 

Then there is the Thai labour to assemble and Thailand infrastructure to distribute.

[onthedarkside]

An exchange of off-topic bickering and dictionary police posts has been removed. Cease and desist!  You know who you are...

 

[gazzzz]

On 10/18/2021 at 1:14 PM, Kwasaki said:

I think people do like cheap quality.

Go an examine an MG vehicle and drive it and then give an opinion not just wild actuation's.

 

I have an MG3 in the UK, okay I bought it because it was good value. Its well made, drives well and has given no problems in the 5 years we have owned it.

[KhaoYai]

2 hours ago, transam said:

That has nothing to do with a product, MG, being 100% Chinese...????

It has everything to do with the post I reacted to.

[KhunLA]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The Chinese are very clever. They took a well known brand, re-designed it, and are selling it at a price that appeals to many. The fact that it has a very underpowered engine, and is of low quality does not seem to deter many who want to "have the look". It would appear that many car reviewers and users seem to agree, all the money is on the outside of the car. 

Or, made a good running car (ZS / D), with nice roomy interior, that also looks nice on the outside.

 

1.5 L motor / 8 spd trans,  for a < 1300 kg car, so not sure I'd call that underpowered.  Not a sports car, and doesn't pretend to be.  Nice family car with plenty of cargo area if needing.

 

Best value I found in 2020.  Fits us perfectly, actually a bit more than we need.

If wanting, needing more car, spend more money.

[KhunLA]

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But...  I found it out its nearly 1 Million Baht !!!!!.... BOOM !!! no way... I was thinking about 350,000 baht !!!!

350k baht for a new car ... good luck with that.  Suzuki Celerio is about it.

Ora

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Edited January 26, 2022 by KhunLA

[transam]

16 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

MG Thailand is not 100% Chinese.

 

The company is part owned by a Thai company and to meet interior taxes will have to have a certain amount Thailand sourced components....

 

Then there is the Thai labour to assemble and Thailand infrastructure to distribute.

As you seem to know everything about the British MG brand, can you tell me what % of MG is owned by a British company..?

[Ralf001]

52 minutes ago, transam said:

As you seem to know everything about the British MG brand, can you tell me what % of MG is owned by a British company..?

 

British MG... no such company.

 

But yhis whole British Brand thing really is a thorn in your behind isn't it, time to man up to the fact the the Chinese purchased a failed British company and turn it around to be successful again.

 

Failed British companies is a common reoccurring theme... deal with it.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Ralf001

[DavisH]

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The Chinese are very clever. They took a well known brand, re-designed it, and are selling it at a price that appeals to many. The fact that it has a very underpowered engine, and is of low quality does not seem to deter many who want to "have the look". It would appear that many car reviewers and users seem to agree, all the money is on the outside of the car. 

Underpowered compared to what? The Ora goodcat will keep up with a  civic turbo to 120km/h. I many consider a Chinese EV from GWM in 5-10 years. Need to check on its durability over that time. What I do know is that in mountains the engine will overheat and will need to stop. 

[transam]

24 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

British MG... no such company.

 

But yhis whole British Brand thing really is a thorn in your behind isn't it, time to man up to the fact the the Chinese purchased a failed British company and turn it around to be successful again.

 

Failed British companies is a common reoccurring theme... deal with it.

 

 

 

 

So I was right, it is a Chinese company who bought the MG brand name to use that name, history and Union Jack flag to sell Chinese stuff.

I have read all their advertising blog, you know, "Since 1924" stuff... Together with a 100% Chinese Maxus truck covered in British bling.  ????

[kwilco]

18 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

MG Thailand is not 100% Chinese.

 

The company is part owned by a Thai company and to meet interior taxes will have to have a certain amount Thailand sourced components....

 

Then there is the Thai labour to assemble and Thailand infrastructure to distribute.

Most large foreign companies in Thsilsnd have similar arrangements with their parent companies.

The arrangement allows companies to avoid punitive import taxes and increasingly the vehicles change from TKDs to having large quantities of components manufactured in Thailand. The company's range of models aetc is totally Chinese.

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, transam said:

So I was right, it is a Chinese company who bought the MG brand name to use that name, history and Union Jack flag to sell Chinese stuff.

I have read all their advertising blog, you know, "Since 1924" stuff... Together with a 100% Chinese Maxus truck covered in British bling.  ????

I think they bought it more for the ease of ownership in UK, and ease of established distribution rights.

 

Yes, they'd be foolish not to work the 'since 1924 / MG 'good' history' as so many apparently ignorant buyer with buy into that.  Intelligent customers, will see past the promos, and check out the specs and manufacturing company, before even a hands on, sit in experience.

 

I do anyway.  Look at specs before I waste my time shopping.  Research and reviews.   If going by what I thought prior to the research, I'd never bought our MG ZS.  As the past MG badge was as trustworthy as Detroit c r a p, and would avoid them, without intense research.

 

I did own a Ford Escort way back when ... oh wait, only from knowing that was Mazda rebadged ... ????

[kwilco]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

So I was right, it is a Chinese company who bought the MG brand name to use that name, history and Union Jack flag to sell Chinese stuff.

I have read all their advertising blog, you know, "Since 1924" stuff... Together with a 100% Chinese Maxus truck covered in British bling.  ????

The Britsh MG sales company still clsim to have design input on new MG models, but whether  or not that is just for the UK market or not I don't know.

Like all motor manufacturers, MG is multinational and itself relies on a British history to enhance sales.

As you can see from this thread, Chinese brands encounter a lot of nationalist resistance in many markets. However this was aldo the case for Japsnese and then Koean cars ...

One thing you can be sure of is that no way will this stop China from being the dominant sector of the motor industry within a few years. Stories of poor reliability and quality will prove to be apochryphal.

[kwilco]

Don't forget that MG stood for Morris Garages and never really built there own cars, they modified Morrises.

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I think they bought it more for the ease of ownership in UK, and ease of established distribution rights.

 

Yes, they'd be foolish not to work the 'since 1924 / MG 'good' history' as so many apparently ignorant buyer with buy into that.  Intelligent customers, will see past the promos, and check out the specs and manufacturing company, before even a hands on, sit in experience.

 

I do anyway.  Look at specs before I waste my time shopping.  Research and reviews.   If going by what I thought prior to the research, I'd never bought our MG ZS.  As the past MG badge was as trustworthy as Detroit c r a p, and would avoid them, without intense research.

 

I did own a Ford Escort way back when ... oh wait, only from knowing that was Mazda rebadged ... ????

Didn't they buy the MG name from the Germans who didn't want it..?

My thought is the British setup is just a smokescreen to give the impression folk are buying a British MG...

[kwilco]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

Didn't they buy the MG name from the Germans who didn't want it..?

My thought is the British setup is just a smokescreen to give the impression folk are buying a British MG...

As far as I know, the MG name came with the company. BMW own the brand name Rover which was used under licence by the now defunct MG Rover, the UK company.

[transam]

Just now, kwilco said:

Don't forget that MG stood for Morris Garages and never really built there own cars, they modified Morrises.

 

Though the MG/Morris story is a bit complicated, MG was the racing name used by Morris Garages performance stuff. Since 1924 Morris made ordinary road cars,  plus performance road cars, for many years before being bought by the British Motor Corporation in 1952.

 

BMC used the MG name for their "performance" offerings, tweaked up basic rides, including Morris's...But, MG does have real performance history, that's why BMC used it for that performance history.

 https://www.cardekho.com/features-stories/mg-ex181-the-car-that-made-land-speed-record-history-in-1957-25531.htm#:~:text=Coming back to the topic,245.64mph (395.31 kmph).

 

[transam]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

As far as I know, the MG name came with the company. BMW own the brand name Rover which was used under licence by the now defunct MG Rover, the UK company.

Correct, think BMW wanted the "Mini" thing....????

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, transam said:

So I was right, it is a Chinese company who bought the MG brand name to use that name, history and Union Jack flag to sell Chinese stuff.

I have read all their advertising blog, you know, "Since 1924" stuff... Together with a 100% Chinese Maxus truck covered in British bling.  ????

Yes, the Chinese purchased a failed British Company.

 

This has been mentioned numerous times.

[kwilco]

37 minutes ago, transam said:

Correct, think BMW wanted the "Mini" thing....????

Don't see the connection. BMW own mini both in name and factory.

The Britsh motor industry made several "cock ups" when selling off brand names...if you remember the Rolls/ Bentley fiasco.

Hardly a surprise though. Even selling Austin Rover to the Japanese, then Germans and then Chinese was a series of incompetent disasters.

[transam]

23 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Yes, the Chinese purchased a failed British Company.

 

This has been mentioned numerous times.

Yes, they bought it for the MG name and history, BMC/BL is the failed company, the historic marks had to go down with it..There is a list of those.....????

[transam]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Don't see the connection. BMW own mini both in name and factory.

The Britsh motor industry made several "cock ups" when selling off brand names...if you remember the Rolls/ Bentley fiasco.

Hardly a surprise though. Even selling Austin Rover to the Japanese, then Germans and then Chinese was a series of incompetent disasters.

One of the most iconic cars in history is the Austin/Morris Mini, BMW bought the Rover group and only used the Mini/Cooper stuff, obviously to use that Mini fame to cash in on it...Same as the Chinese with MG..

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Didn't they buy the MG name from the Germans who didn't want it..?

My thought is the British setup is just a smokescreen to give the impression folk are buying a British MG...

Some people are that stupid...buy British ????????

 

On the flip side of that ... Don't buy Chinese ... ????????

 

Both sound ridiculous to anyone with intelligence ????

[Ralf001]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, they bought it for the MG name and history, BMC/BL is the failed company, the historic marks had to go down with it..There is a list of those.....????

Yeah they bought it for the name, blind freddy can see that.

 

What point are you trying to make ?

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Yeah they bought it for the name, blind freddy can see that.

 

What point are you trying to make ?

The one you keep missing...........????

[CLW]

3 hours ago, DavisH said:

Underpowered compared to what? The Ora goodcat will keep up with a  civic turbo to 120km/h. I many consider a Chinese EV from GWM in 5-10 years. Need to check on its durability over that time. What I do know is that in mountains the engine will overheat and will need to stop. 

Just because of one social media post. Duh. Don't you really think they have tested the car in the laboratory under more adverse conditions?

You know Thais can't drive a car properly, not to mention an EV. God knows what the driver has done with the car......

[CLW]

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I thought I’d never be interested in a Chinese car....  

 

Then, I saw the little Ora Ev car (the size of a Yaris)... and thought that it was interesting... 

 

I even discussed with the wife the possibility of nipping out and picking one up... just for local trips, not for express way use (as its too small, I want something larger), which means it wouldn’t be a school run vehicle as we need to take the expressway to take our son to school.

 

But...  I found it out its nearly 1 Million Baht !!!!!.... BOOM !!! no way... I was thinking about 350,000 baht !!!!

 

 

 

 

You must be joking. Show me any new car in Thailand with same size and specs as the Good Cat and let me know the price. Good luck!

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, transam said:

The one you keep missing...........????

The "British MG" one you keep bleating on about ?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The "British MG" one you keep bleating on about ?

Try again, on second thoughts, give it a miss....????

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, DavisH said:

Underpowered compared to what? The Ora goodcat will keep up with a  civic turbo to 120km/h. I many consider a Chinese EV from GWM in 5-10 years. Need to check on its durability over that time. What I do know is that in mountains the engine will overheat and will need to stop. 

It is not a bad car if money is the primary consideration. But, most in the press seem to agree the performance in underwhelming. 

 

If the paper figures are dull enough on their own, it’s reflected as such when you get behind the wheel. To drive, the MG ZS can be expected to get you to your destination, but not promptly. In fact, it’s one of the gentlest accelerating cars that we’ve had a chance to drive in a while.

 

https://www.motorverso.com/portfolio-items/mg-zs-exclusive-review/

 

The 1.0T GDI engine is our preferred choice because the turbo gives stronger acceleration, while the 1.5 VTi-Tech feels underpowered, even when you floor it. You get a 5-speed manual gearbox with the 1.5VTi-Tech, which is pleasant due to the short throw between the gears. 

 

https://www.budgetandthebees.com/why-the-mg-zs-is-the-ultimate-family-suv/

 

From a standing start, the ZST has turbo lag and it’s not particularly responsive, as the engine struggled when we encountered steep ascents. It scrambles for traction when accelerating on any road surface, regardless of conditions. It’s fair to say this is not the car to choose if you fancy a back road blast, the ZST feels top heavy when cornering, with lots of lateral movement. An overly stiff suspension tune means the ride is harsh on any road surface, with every little bump and imperfection felt in the cabin. There’s no excuse for this sort of poor ride quality in an urban-focused compact SUV.

 

https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/reviews/mg-zst-essence-review.html