Clear As Mud

[Ty Hareways]

I honestly don't know why i still call the thai embassy in London as they are worse than useless (in my experiences anyway).

I'm trying to find out what my 'punishment' would be if i test 'positive' on arrival, would it be hospital or quarantine hotel and for how long, it may take longer than 14 days to get a negative result by the way.

Nobody at all seems to know, when nobody tells you anything alarm bells should ring!!

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Ty Hareways said:

I honestly don't know why i still call the thai embassy in London as they are worse than useless (in my experiences anyway).

I'm trying to find out what my 'punishment' would be if i test 'positive' on arrival, would it be hospital or quarantine hotel and for how long, it may take longer than 14 days to get a negative result by the way.

Nobody at all seems to know, when nobody tells you anything alarm bells should ring!!

Thats most definitely a question too far - I would never expect any Embassy Staffers to know this as there is no official policy. This is one of those issues which is typically handled by Thailand in a ‘kick the can down the road’ type of manner whereby no one wants to address the issue until it happens. 

 

 

I suspect:

IF you have serious symptoms you will be hospitalised - insurance covers.

IF you have mild symptoms you will be sent to a hospitel (hotel-hospital) - Insurance covers ??

IF you test positive with no symptoms you will have to isolate in your hotel until you test negative - Insurance covers ?

 

But - there is no hardline official information. You may get a better response from the actual AQ hotel.

 

 

 

 

[internationalism]

yes, for positives 14 day quarantine - you know it very well. Everybody knows it. At hospital or rather hospitel (hotel with medical personel and some equipment). It won't AQ hotel.

Some patients were released after 7 days when turned negatives - that is at discretion of doctor.

You can test daily with atk's, when they turn negative you can ask for pcr

Edited October 28, 2021 by internationalism

[Upnotover]

You mean they actually replied?  I'd consider that a major result in itself.  As for expecting an accurate answer I think you have as much chance of going to the moon on a bicycle. 

[jackdd]

Why would the workers at the embassy know? They have nothing to do with it, that's up to the health authorities in Thailand.

You will be put into quarantine, where depends on hospital capacities and severity of symptoms. You will be put there at least until you test negative.

[Deez]

Depends how much money you have.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Deez

[flinc2020]

9 hours ago, jackdd said:

Why would the workers at the embassy know? They have nothing to do with it, that's up to the health authorities in Thailand.

You will be put into quarantine, where depends on hospital capacities and severity of symptoms. You will be put there at least until you test negative.

True, but one would expect the Health Ministry to at least have created an FAQs sheet for the embassies as this is not an unexpected question to come up and therefore some level of information should be reasonably expected. If the testing on arrival was dropped it might be less of an issue but no one wants to spend good money on traveling to Thailand (having done the obligatory hoop jumping) only to either test positive on arrival, or worse still, have been sat near someone on the flight who tested positive and find the money they shelled out for a hotel is wasted because the government has shoved them in a hospitel that their insurance may not cover as they themselves hav tested negative for Covid. 

It is not too much to ask that the ministry provide information to the embassies to deal with enquiries of this........oh hang on though.......it's a Thai government ministry, they probably don't know themselves yet!

[RubbaJohnny]

Your time and inconvenience is but sansara to them.

Unless your pilot is sealed in your Lear Jet no one can control fellow travelelrs, First Busines or at the back with teh sardnes and " Budget travellers" its the same recycled air .

 

If cost is a concern ensure fne print of you

 rpolicy cover asymptomaic costs ?

 

Once in with an address you may be able to insure locally , hardly a welcome mat for tourists.

 

One good aspect is yachtsme can isolate and in the months transit from Seychelles know you wont have caight it en route

 

 

 

[Salerno]

27 minutes ago, flinc2020 said:

... either test positive on arrival, or worse still, have been sat near someone on the flight who tested positive and find the money they shelled out for a hotel is wasted because the government has shoved them in a hospitel that their insurance may not cover as they themselves hav tested negative for Covid. 

Only one person to blame in that position.

 

Almost 2 years into this, if someone doesn't do their due diligence (ensure the hotel will reimburse if positive - as per government guidelines, and ensure their insurance policy covers the eventuality) then that's on them.

[ifmu]

it sounds like maybe you are not vaccinated   if that is the case then get vaxx dammmmit

if you are vaxx   then    ok 

[VBF]

12 hours ago, jackdd said:

Why would the workers at the embassy know? They have nothing to do with it, that's up to the health authorities in Thailand.

You will be put into quarantine, where depends on hospital capacities and severity of symptoms. You will be put there at least until you test negative.

Because, were it to be a properly organised setup, the Govt dept in Thailand would have informed the embassies before releasing the news to the general public.

That this is not the case is presumably because...TIT

[3STTW]

My father was planning on coming to LOS in November. Due to the confusion surrounding the subject of the OP, he asked a reputable travel agency and was advised that a failed PCR test would result in him being transferred to hospital at cost to his insurance.

 

They also advised that there was no apparent way to verify the result of the test independently, therefore avoid any travel to Thailand at this time.

 

Reading between the lines, travel agencies are viewing this a potential scam. they'll put you on a flight but, once you hit Swampy, you're on your own.

[internationalism]

not so, you can do daily atk's (bring your own, the most reliable you can get) and if they turn negative you can ask hospital for their own atk and then pcr, so they would release earlier.

All tests have error margin. For pcr it's 0.6. Properly done atk are more reliable.

Also worth to look into antibody test, which might explain positive pcr result.

If there was recent infection or strong reaction after vax, it might turn positive.

 

I think it's too far fetched to call it test scam. 

I will look into motives of this agency - maybe they don't have any packages to thailand, so they were trying to turn away.

It's absolutely everywhere in the world, if test positive, there is quarantine or self isolation. Thailand turns it hospitalisation, for a reason. That was being done from the very beginning of the 1st wave  

 

 

 

[bbko]

You asked a hypothetical question and expected a definitive answer, the embassy did right, how can they speak as to what those on the ground will do when you arrive in country without knowing the degree of your imaginary infection?  Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

This is the land where being flexible is the best way to go, have the correct aura and things go smooth, have the wrong aura and you're swimming up stream. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by bbko

[hotchilli]

On 10/28/2021 at 11:40 PM, Ty Hareways said:

Nobody at all seems to know, when nobody tells you anything alarm bells should ring!!

One would assume if you test positive you will go to a quarantine facility until you test negative... at your expense.

[Tropposurfer]

It's no big deal ... You're bagged nn tagged, placed in a non-aircon paddy wagon with no windows, taken in the dead of night to an undisclosed location, kept in a small dimply lit room with no wifi no communication, your meagre food ration is slid through a flat at the bottom of your padlocked door, the worst constantly looped Thai country music playing deafeningly throughout the days of your 'quarantine', if you test positive some burly tattooed masked Thai men with latex gloves come intermittently and 'probe' you and you are kept until you're clear, and before release you are required to sign a document that says you were treated very well and kindly by all and pose for smiling photos and video with your 'hotel' (?) staff lol ????

[NoshowJones]

On 10/29/2021 at 7:00 AM, jackdd said:

Why would the workers at the embassy know? They have nothing to do with it, that's up to the health authorities in Thailand.

You will be put into quarantine, where depends on hospital capacities and severity of symptoms. You will be put there at least until you test negative.

Just don't go until this money grabbing unelected PM and his soldiers stop this nonsense.

I had a "temperature" of 38 when I entered my local Tesco mini mart. Then after consulting with a friend on the phone I went back to the same shop again only about 30 mins later, tried again, and this time the temperature was 36, I have done it many times since, and I am always between 34 and 36.

Imagine a Thai person was behind me, it would have caused a panic and I may have ended up in hospital. 

[Finlaco]

@Ty Hareways don't forget to factor in what happens if one passenger on the flight or cabin crew test positive.

 

I assume it's quarantine for all at one's own expense depending on the T&C of of the insurance policy (if you are not the positive one).

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by Finlaco

[Xavnel]

You CAN test as Positive on a PCR Test up to 90 days after you have had COVID-19. 

 

That would seriously ruin someone's vacation if they landed, then tested Positive. 

[hioctane]

On 10/30/2021 at 10:57 AM, Finlaco said:

@Ty Hareways don't forget to factor in what happens if one passenger on the flight or cabin crew test positive.

 

I assume it's quarantine for all at one's own expense depending on the T&C of of the insurance policy (if you are not the positive one).

 

FYI, all scaremongering but the whole plane doesn’t go into quarantine. Only close contacts (within meters) go to quarantine. Although, how many meters is not clear. Positive goes to hospitals/hospetals and negative goes to ASQ.

[hioctane]

Just know the numbers and understand the risks. 0.3% of vaccinated tourists tested positive on arrival to the Phuket Sandbox. However, how many of those entered on fake tests, we will never know (you can’t verify tests from foreign labs). It is so easy to to just change the name/date on a test… which I know some have done.

 

As an example of risks. If condoms are only 98% effective, should you abstain from sex because of that 2% chance?

[ed strong]

If you test positive in the UK, you then just have to isolate for 7 days.

 

After that you can go back out.

 

Do not take another covid test after the 7 days as you will more than likely test positive again due to to it still being in your system.

 

This is official advise from the government as some of my family have caught covid (symptoms were very mild)

 

Not sure if its the same in Thailand?

[ed strong]

On 10/30/2021 at 4:57 AM, Finlaco said:

@Ty Hareways don't forget to factor in what happens if one passenger on the flight or cabin crew test positive.

 

I assume it's quarantine for all at one's own expense depending on the T&C of of the insurance policy (if you are not the positive one).

 

Only those sat close to the positive one have to then quarantine, think about within 3 rows.

 

Staff unaffected and dont have to isolate

[ed strong]

On 10/30/2021 at 6:44 AM, Xavnel said:

You CAN test as Positive on a PCR Test up to 90 days after you have had COVID-19. 

 

That would seriously ruin someone's vacation if they landed, then tested Positive. 

That's not quite true, your two posts here are hyping up the situation with sensualistic comments that just do little more than inflame the situation and posters on here.

 

If in the UK as an example if you test positive you just isolate for 5 - 7 days then you can go back out again into the general public. Thats it no more testing nothing.

 

Of course Thailand might be slightly different but the whole situation is not quite as worrysome as you make out.

[Ty Hareways]

1 hour ago, ed strong said:

Only those sat close to the positive one have to then quarantine, think about within 3 rows.

 

Staff unaffected and dont have to isolate

I'd say this is yet another reason not to take the risk.

I can handle things going wrong if it's my fault as i've only got myself to blame but would  be 'angry man too much' if someone else put a spanner in the works for me.

[MaiChai]

Wife has joined quite a few Thai Wives Facebook groups and apparently the rule is if you are positive you will be sent to a private hospital. She also said nurses and doctors were up in arms about having to deal and put up with tourists considering the country is in the middle of a pandemic as they are already over worked, and the government should have come up with a better plan. 

 

The answer was was rather vague to me and could turn out costly, so coincidentally I emailed the Thai Embassy in London this morning before seeing this thread. They have replied to my emails in the past.  When I get a response I will share with you here.

Edited October 31, 2021 by MaiChai

[internationalism]

yes, they will be sending to private hospitals. But if no symptoms, no underlying conditions, there would be transfer to hospitel close by to hospital

[MaiChai]

5 hours ago, internationalism said:

yes, they will be sending to private hospitals. But if no symptoms, no underlying conditions, there would be transfer to hospitel close by to hospital

Did you mean hotel?

[internationalism]

hospitel is a hotel with medical staff and some equipment from a private hospital.

That's thai invention.

Probably nowhere else in the world.

Answer to quarantining asymptomatic, that is also thai invention (in he world is's just self-isolation)

[Finlaco]

@hioctane FYI, all scaremongering but the whole plane doesn’t go into quarantine. Only close contacts (within meters) go to quarantine. Although, how many meters is not clear. Positive goes to hospitals/hospetals and negative goes to ASQ.

 

 

within meters - one row of seating is 10 people.  Many flights wont be full but the risks multiply with the number of 'near' passengers.  Many people will be doing two legged flights etc...  As you said in your reply 'how many meters is not clear'.  That's the reason for the posting. This is not scaremongering.  As an adult you can take your changes and see what happens.  If a member of crew who has been serving your section of the plane tests positive, that might fall within your definition  of close contacts (within meters).