7 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Kind of sucks for those who've paid for Moderna.

Use the Moderna as a booster, pick a date  4 0r 5 months after you 2nd what ever vaccine.

Got to find a way to use up all that Sinovac i guess

4 hours ago, poppysdad said:

My girlfriend simply wants what she paid for back in early July. Yes she wants to be jabbed but not with the  Chinese ones so perhaps the official making these statements might want to ensure that Moderna is here now. 

She could get AZ/Pfizer for free, what's the problem with that?

Easy for Prayut to say as he has made sure he is fully vaccinated together with all his cronies before making sure everyone else is vaccinated. I have not been vaccinated because there is none available for foreigners either at government hospitals or private hospitals. If vaccine was available I would take it. 

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/02/the-number-of-people-who-have-died-from-covid-19-is-likely-to-be-close-to-17m

The number of people who have died from covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m

The official tally of 5m is a huge undercount

Plenty of what I read said it’s likely not, 

I'm double vaccinated with Pfizer.  Whoopie!

But I am so fed up with the perpetual whining and petty arguments of the anti -vaxxers!

No, I don't know what's in it! I also don’t know what was in the ones I had as a child and later in life:

Smallpox

Cholera

Scarlet fever

Mumps

Measles

Polio

Chickenpox(?)

Rubella, (sister)

Hepatitis a

Hepatitis B

Yellow fever

Anaesthetics

Tetanus

+ the others I’ve missed or forgotten about

 

My parents and I trusted the science and we never had to suffer through or transmit any of the above diseases

I also don't know what's in other treatments whether it's for cancer, AIDS, MERS, Malaria, Dengue, Elephantiasis, Zika or any other disease I might get - or the treatment for polyarthritis, and any other treatments I don’t understand or can’t pronounce or spell. Or even a McDonald’s, a Big Mac, or in hot dogs, or a myriad of other <deleted> I am exposed to in this world.

 

I trust my doctor when he says it’s needed.

 I also don't know what's in Ibuprofen, Paracetamol, or other over the counter medication. It just cures my headaches and my pains.

 I don't know what's in the ink for tattoos, vaping, or every ingredient in my soap or shampoo, or even deodorants.

 

I don’t know the long-term effect of cell phone use or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at really used clean foods, operated hygienic standards and washed their hands.

 

Basically, there's a lot of things I don't know and never will. But I do know one thing; life is short. Very short!!

I still want to do something other than just going to work every day or staying locked in my home. I still want to travel without fear and find a little feeling of life "before".

 

I'm vaccinated, not to please a government but:

To protect myself, my family, friends and others from Covid-19.

To prevent cluttering a hospital bed if I get sick.

To live my life as I would like to and not in fear.

For Covid-19 to be an old memory.

 

But, Hey! Mention vaccines for Covid and some people jump around spluttering about violation of human rights or any other drivel that comes to their tiny conspiracy minded mentality Some people need to grow up!

Play around with that. Moaners and whiners alike - awake – your paranoid views, excuses and prejudices are required in this forum!

The very most people (I acknowledge there are rare exceptions) have no excuse not to get vaccinated. I'm all for enticing them with all means necessary. 

7 hours ago, Toolong said:

I don't wish to shift too much from the main issue here, which is essentially the possible imposition of restrictive & puntive social sanctions against those unvaccinated, but could someone just explain to me why I might be incorrect in thinking that if vaccinated people can still become infected with C19.....and if vaccinated people can still infect others with C19, why should it be assumed that UNvaccinated people are a particular risk to others? (A risk to themselves, yes.) It's a genuine query and I am happy to be shown up as having faulty logic or as being uninformed if that is the case. 

 

(I am fully vaccinated btw, but only cos I could see exactly this kind of s**t coming down the road.....and lo, here it comes.)

You don't get it do you...

Because the only way to get our lives back is for this to end.

And the pandemic will end when the entire population reaches the aggregate that will include the cured, the dead and the vaccinated, so the virus will not be able to find others to infect. The few vaccinated cases here and there will be a walk in the park compared to what's happening now.

 

5 hours ago, mahtin said:

Thank you.

Thought you had to have arranged for your vaccinations through that app to obtain the proof.

I had free vaccinations distributed by Bangkok Hospital Khon Kaen.

Never used the Mor Prom app.

If you got you double vac at Bangkok Hospital in Khon Kaen you would have been handed the certificate of vaccination by the staff on level 2 before you were allowed to leave.

Multiple posts have been removed above, including for unsourced and unattributed information, misinformation, conspiracy theory, trolling, and replies to all of the above.

 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

On another forum elsewhere in Thailand you have the great deniers of the vaccine group who have refused to be vaccinated under the misinformation they believe that the vaccine is dangerous and causing more issues than being unvaccinated.  It is no wonder the world is in such a mired down situation.

There are actually people taking Borax soap baths in an attempt to REMOVE the Covid vaccine. They really are a special kind of stupid.

 

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a38237415/borax-detox-bath-undo-vaccine/

As it should be. It really is time to make this clear.

16 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

I'm double vaccinated with Pfizer.  Whoopie!

But I am so fed up with the perpetual whining and petty arguments of the anti -vaxxers!

No, I don't know what's in it! I also don’t know what was in the ones I had as a child and later in life:

Smallpox

Cholera

Scarlet fever

Mumps

Measles

Polio

Chickenpox(?)

Rubella, (sister)

Hepatitis a

Hepatitis B

Yellow fever

Anaesthetics

Tetanus

+ the others I’ve missed or forgotten about

 

My parents and I trusted the science and we never had to suffer through or transmit any of the above diseases

I also don't know what's in other treatments whether it's for cancer, AIDS, MERS, Malaria, Dengue, Elephantiasis, Zika or any other disease I might get - or the treatment for polyarthritis, and any other treatments I don’t understand or can’t pronounce or spell. Or even a McDonald’s, a Big Mac, or in hot dogs, or a myriad of other <deleted> I am exposed to in this world.

 

I trust my doctor when he says it’s needed.

 I also don't know what's in Ibuprofen, Paracetamol, or other over the counter medication. It just cures my headaches and my pains.

 I don't know what's in the ink for tattoos, vaping, or every ingredient in my soap or shampoo, or even deodorants.

 

I don’t know the long-term effect of cell phone use or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at really used clean foods, operated hygienic standards and washed their hands.

 

Basically, there's a lot of things I don't know and never will. But I do know one thing; life is short. Very short!!

I still want to do something other than just going to work every day or staying locked in my home. I still want to travel without fear and find a little feeling of life "before".

 

I'm vaccinated, not to please a government but:

To protect myself, my family, friends and others from Covid-19.

To prevent cluttering a hospital bed if I get sick.

To live my life as I would like to and not in fear.

For Covid-19 to be an old memory.

 

But, Hey! Mention vaccines for Covid and some people jump around spluttering about violation of human rights or any other drivel that comes to their tiny conspiracy minded mentality Some people need to grow up!

Play around with that. Moaners and whiners alike - awake – your paranoid views, excuses and prejudices are required in this forum!

Many people are not anti-vaxers, but they are pro-choice. there is a BIG difference. I happen to fall into that category. 
I feel that the term anti-vaxxer is just a  way to ridicule & shut-hut down the opinions of those who don't agree on governments applying restrictions for those who choose not to be vaccinated.

Opps! I left my card in the hotel.  Sorry Mr. Ton. I silly Farang. Here is 300bht. Wink Wink.  What you think I cant bribe a Thai Person.  All i do since living in the Land of Scams.  

8 hours ago, tonray said:

Planning to go to the Motor Expo next month at Impact Center. The website claims only double vaccinated -or- those taking a test at the door will be allowed entry. That's that.

Can't even enter an open air place such as Khao San Road without being double vaxed or tested, so it's started already.

8 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Vaccination or Victimization.

 

The choice is yours!

another way to say it      life or death

For sure as eggs are eggs your next visa application will include proof of double jab section.

Eventually the jabs won't be free It's all down to money.

8 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Kind of sucks for those who've paid for Moderna.

 

 

Why do you say it sucks for those who have paid for Moderna?

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

True.

Hope now rests on the Covid pill. Merck, Pfizer and others are working on it. If you get seriously ill from 19C, there should be the pill that makes you more likely to survive. Then the whole vaccination circus and dictatorial madness would be over.

The problem is that the people who are most likely to need it are those who are in most denial about covid. And these pills are most effective when it's early days and symptoms are milder. So anti-covid vaxxers are more likely to ignore symptoms.  Also, these pills are approved by the very very same authorities that the anti-covid vaxxers believe are behind the conspiracy to not authorize hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.  So are they going to accept that these pills, particularly Pfizer's are highly effective? At least that the way it is in the USA and lots of Europe, In Thailand it isn't so politicized so it's likely to be more beneficial here rather than there.

2 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

absolutely spot on. i'm actually quite shocked to see the amount of people who actually agree with this. 

But not surprised ..

21 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Not sure how you got 5 times higher: pop. Germany 83000000. 70% are vaxed = 58,100000. 30% unvaxed=24,900000. So 10% vaxed in intensive care = 5,810000. And if * 90% unvaxed in intensive care= 22,410000. Then 22,410000/5,810000 = 3.85 higher risk.  * These numbers may not be the actual cases but the ratio is correct.

You got 4 times higher. I ok with it

How far have we come demanding when they aren't in the position to do so!  Sure there are people who don't want to get vaccinated but I think the majority here want to be the problem many don't want the junk Chinese Vaccine. Outside of the major province many don't want the Sino and some even the AZ.

 

October I went up to the wife's village due to the older brother death, first shot of AZ and he developed a blood clot in the lung died two days later.  Wife's family is huge although I was vaccinated with the Pfizer we took the Antigen test cleared before we traveled. During the week I spent up at her farm everyone I spoke to hadn't been vaccinated and had no plans after the brothers death. They are scare <deleted> of the Sino and AZ.

 

Personally, before the government starts to pound their chess do a better job of providing vaccine especially choices like Pfizer and Moderna which I have to ask if the first shipment arrived 1st of November maybe the same individuals who are doing the threatening can answer that <deleted> question!

 

You got on your hands 1.5, 2.5 million of Pfizer donated by the U.S. another donation of Moderna 1 million request from Poland again 1 million from the U.S. refused or unknown of the request but as soon as the commies come calling from donation of junk the leaders pull down their pants and bend over!

 

Stop doing for yourself and think about your own people instead of grandstanding everyday with these silly statements!  Do your damn job!

8 hours ago, ignis said:

Likewise, all Vaccine since a kid, so cannot have flu vaccine like most do, penicillin, tetanus many Med's and a number of blood pressure pills = severe allergic reactions - did try the Pneumonia vaccine part 1 last year = 4 night in Hospital 

 

Do have a Covid Vaccine Exemption letter from the Hospital, but is there some other card/booklet you must have ?

A Scarlet Letter 

I support forced vaccinations, unless there is a valid medical contraindication. Not religious or philosophical. Yup, no vaccines, no football games or extensions of visas. To the person who said his medical exemption isn’t recognized , i hope they sort it for you. Yes, theres rate instances of serious vaccine side effects. Yes, its disappointing that vaccines don’t stop infection, but they are all we have. Given that if you are infected you could harm others and be forced-hospitalized, its most important. 

My girlfriend simply wants what she paid for back in early July. Yes she wants to be jabbed but not with the  Chinese ones so perhaps the official making these statements might want to ensure that Moderna is here now. 

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She could get AZ/Pfizer for free, what's the problem with that?
 

jackdd. She simply wants what she paid for and why shouldn’t she. Why should someone or some organisations pocket her hard earned money which incidentally is 6600 for her and her daughter. And yes I repeat she is not an anti vaxxer and does want to get her jab.

8 hours ago, djayz said:

Where have I read of similar drives to demonize certain elements of society and to create a climate of hostility and indifference towards them?

 

Not expecting any allowances nor compassion for those poor souls who, through no fault of their own, remain unvaccinated

 

8 hours ago, johng said:

Except  the unvaccinated are not lepers and just as "healthy" as the " multi jabbers"

discrimination pure and simple ???????? 

Ill socialize with healthy multi jabbed thank you.  Too bad if you feel discriminated against

8 hours ago, Toolong said:

I don't wish to shift too much from the main issue here, which is essentially the possible imposition of restrictive & puntive social sanctions against those unvaccinated, but could someone just explain to me why I might be incorrect in thinking that if vaccinated people can still become infected with C19.....and if vaccinated people can still infect others with C19, why should it be assumed that UNvaccinated people are a particular risk to others? (A risk to themselves, yes.) It's a genuine query and I am happy to be shown up as having faulty logic or as being uninformed if that is the case. 

 

(I am fully vaccinated btw, but only cos I could see exactly this kind of s**t coming down the road.....and lo, here it comes.)

That's the 1 (or many) billions $$ question I guess only Pfizer and the other vax manufacturers have the answer to. 

 

Personally - the more governments around the world push for vaccinations, the less I'm willing to get the jabs

8 hours ago, steven100 said:

it's pure common sense to get vaccinated against Covid19,  only a fool could refute that .....

millions died from Covid19. 

Whether I have no common sense and I'm a fool is nobody's business except my own. Certainly not yours.

2 hours ago, Guffman said:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1032859/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_45.pdf

 

Table on page 18 for cases and page 20 for deaths

 

The note on deaths communicates an entirely different context to your comment.

 

"In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of Covid 19"

 

In places such as the US where there are still large numbers in some areas on unvaccinated people, the number of unvaccinated persons represent the large majority of deaths from Covid 19. There are numerous reports e.g.

 

Covid-19: Unvaccinated face 11 times risk of death from delta variant,

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282

 

Over the last few months, the overwhelming majority of people who died from Covid were unvaccinated. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/02/us-hits-700000-covid-19-deaths-coronavirus