'Do your own research / I do my own research' has become code for conspiracy theory followers

[fasteddie]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The basis of the modern conspiracy theories is to make them so wacky that there is no real way to disprove them. Your example is a good one. There is no way to disprove that there is a teapot orbiting Mars so it's perfectly valid to insist one is and shout down anyone who challenges the proposition based on mere critical thinking.

''The basis of the modern conspiracy theories is to make them so wacky that there is no real way to disprove them''....the oldest ever ''conspiracy theory'' is as wacky as could be, religion.

[papa al]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

Start your research by finding out who owns everything.

Once you know that, everything becomes clear, and your

beliefs and conceptions will be shattered.

 

The Vanguard Group is owns/controls most every business/industry worth owning.

Bill Gates owns more farmland in US than anyone else.

 

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, papa al said:

Could never understand why anyone would write such garbage.

Trying to be clever r.?

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I mean, for one, there is no such thing as tinfoil.

Aluminum foil, yes.

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Are you suggesting that people don't conspire to do bad/illegal things?

Ever.?

Big Pharma has been fined $billions.

Sounds like a poor theory, r.

smh

 

I am clever, most conspiracy theorists are not.

 

Use a dictionary and you will find tinfoil. 

 

I am suggesting that conspiracies should stay small to work. I am suggesting that if too many people are involved in a conspiracy it can't stay secret. I certainly don think that people don't conspire to do bad or illegal things. 

 

Big pharma has been fined millions (great proves my point that things dont stay secret)

 

Its sad that I have to explain my point, but I have to take into account that not everyone has equal thinking skills.

 

The idea that 100 thousands of scientist employees goverment officials and so on all conspire together to make covid look bad so that big pharma can make money and it staying secret is crazy. Too many people involved for it not to leak.

 

If you want to keep a secret don't involve too many the more that are involved the more likely it is that it comes out. So to think that all those scientist and government people together conspire so big pharma can make money and there being no real evidence of this conspiracy is crazy. So that basically means that the mainstream scientists are right about covid and the vaccines and its not a big fraud because otherwise it would already have been proven to be a fraud.

[Scott]

25 minutes ago, papa al said:

How could you possibly know that?

Critical Race Theory is not taught in K-12.  CRT centers on the legal system and laws that involve systemic racism.  It is completely and totally not appropriate for students in anywhere lower than University level.  Even then CRT is only taught in Law School.

 

 

[HashBrownHarry]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I am suggesting that if too many people are involved in a conspiracy it can't stay secret.

Man on the moon?

[Atlantis]

5 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

You're right and it's the most dangerous trend in modern history. When relatively well educated people turn away from facts, reason and science the outcome will be a disaster for democracy.

It happens everywhere but is most prevalent and visible in the US.

 

Will America’s disregard for science be the end of its reign?

Why is there such an egregious overlap between those who understand and promote the science of vaccination and those who promote the concept (with a straight face, in a Senate hearing) that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man. "Birthing people."  "Menstruating people."

Why is there also a (almost 1-to-1?) overlap between those who understand the massive tail-risks of rapid climate warming and those who fail to understand the simple concept of human life beginning at conception. "There might be life on Mars, but there's no life in the womb".

You are correct: the US is a walking disaster. It's just a shame that many Americans who purport to be 100% on the side of facts, reason and science suddenly turn off that part of their brain / persona when it becomes socially, culturally, politically obedient.

There's plenty of evidence that posters on this forum who genuinely can't fathom the notion that they, themselves, are part of the problem.
 

[swissie]

THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM: These days every "village-idiot" can spread his twisted views millionfold over the internet. (Not possible before. Limiting his "reach" to his native village).
BUT:
70 years of peace in Europe and 70 years of economic growth has turned us into a bunch of "spoiled brats". Resulting in ruthless, miss understood "Freedom-Demands" without resposibility toward society.

The sociological disintergration in "the West" is not a new phenomenon. It has been quietly sneaking up on us for the last 20-30 years. The "Virus-Crisis" just brings it to the surface for anyone to see and feel.

"The fall of the Roman Empire" makes for interesting reading, the similarities are just striking and frightening.

 

[Atlantis]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I just heard today vaccine hesitancy in South Africa is being driven by American misinformation sources like Joe Rogan.

If I may....where did you "hear" this claim today? What was the source that you used? Or can I say "studied / researched from." I think those pesky free-thinkers who have viewed unedited footage of Joe Rogan may come to the inconvenient conclusion that -- according to their very own lying eyes -- CNN is lucky not to get sued by JR....but anyway, I digress. What was the topic again?

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Atlantis

[robblok]

48 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Man on the moon?

That you actually believe the conspiracy ????

 

 

[robblok]

1 hour ago, papa al said:

The Vanguard Group is owns/controls most every business/industry worth owning.

Bill Gates owns more farmland in US than anyone else.

 

Oh wow that is so bad, if it was so evil and there were bad plans would he not have kept this secret. I mean there are ways to do such things. Some people ...................... 

 

 

[robblok]

sings out of this tread, cant argue with .....

[pomchop]

Dumb and delusional or intelligent and rational?

 

Unfortunately the D & D bunch seem to be growing rapidly.  New arm chair "experts" who know more about disease than people who have first hand experienced studying, comparing, identifying and treating disease for decades.  D & D who are willing to believe some hot air blogger BS over detailed data.  D & D who still cling to the big lie that T won the election even after 60 court cases thrown out and vote recounts by republican state officials.  D & D who buy into the idea that Jan 6 was just another tourist day at the US capitol in spited of thousands of hours of high quality video taking by thousands of different people who were there.

 

It is always ok to question information but an intelligent and rational person should be able to sort out facts from internet BS.

 

Jim Jones would have a field day with new cult recruits these days.

[Atlantis]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Critical Race Theory is not taught in K-12.  CRT centers on the legal system and laws that involve systemic racism.  It is completely and totally not appropriate for students in anywhere lower than University level.  Even then CRT is only taught in Law School.

 

 

I've followed this long before it became a topic of widespread discussion, while it was still bubbling under the surface of the US culture wars. Countless hours of testimony, recordings and also local / national reporting. On this topic, it is quite clear that one side is hiding behind semantics (and it ain't old Fox News! this time).

When the excesses of certain "progressive" (more like illiberal + regressive) elements of the already partisan teaching establishment came to light, the practice became indefensible, and now the concerted gaslighting by US media.

Ralph Northam didn't win on a conspiracy theory, and Blue America would do well to note their failings viz-a-viz K-12 Education and refrain from the psychotic policy of labeling suburban, centrist, even left-of-center, mothers as "domestic terrorists" for their impassioned dissent.
 

 

[Scott]

It's not taught in schools.  It's not appropriate for K-12, it would be akin to teaching astrophysics to Kindergarten schools. 

There is a lot of noise about something that isn't happening.  There is also a lot of speculation about what it means.  

This topic is about a broader subject and not just one thing.

[ChristianBlessing]

[Atlantis]

1 minute ago, Scott said:

It's not taught in schools.  It's not appropriate for K-12, it would be akin to teaching astrophysics to Kindergarten schools. 

There is a lot of noise about something that isn't happening.  There is also a lot of speculation about what it means.  

This topic is about a broader subject and not just one thing.

Yes, I know it's a very general philosophical point, with understandable attacks on the most extreme forms of covid-19 denial-ism etc.

Nevertheless, I find it important to push back on the notion that critics of this policy are somehow barking up the wrong tree because of semantics-based denial when things began to heat up. CRT-inspired racism / racial essentialism...call it what you like. But it ain't the collective imagination of the entire Right-of-Center America  (+ and then some!).

That first video a gives a very informative summary of defenders of how the "No CRT here" camp neglects the practical delivery of teaching vs. whats written down on the official curriculum. The video below is a car-crash of an interview given by an MSNBC host "interviewing" (I use that phrase loosely) someone on the other side.

There is also well-documented examples in the parallel private school system of unabashed race essentialism and the schools are openly proud. There's also endless clips of educational professionals proudly saying the most insane things during Zoom class, as well as the standard none-action by schools when it is reported.

None of it was healthy, and it got out of control after the George Flloyd. It's actually happening, and it cuts at the very core of what the OP talks about: the United States of America being ripped apart at its seams. And no it's not a conspiracy.
 

 

[meechai]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I was educated fairly well to be a critical thinker. To always question authority. Looking at history, that makes very good sense

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Edited December 5, 2021 by meechai

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, meechai said:

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[Atlantis]

24 minutes ago, ChristianBlessing said:

Nice meme, but IMO the more pernicious threat is echo-chambers and over-confidence by whichever camp feels they have the upper hand. Critical faculties switch off immediately, and while they are busy fighting off the half-truths, distortions and outright lies of others, they unsurprisingly fail in their own reasoning and fact-checking.

An illustrative case-in-point is the recent thread on under-5s getting Covid in South Africa. The article that the thread is based on is just so so bad, but it just flew by right under the radar because many of the frequent posters there just don't give AF when it comes to bias-confirming data / news stories.

Already tried to communicate it to the OP, but what are the chances of getting a reply before the damage is already done on this forum....

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Atlantis

[Scott]

11 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Yes, I know it's a very general philosophical point, with understandable attacks on the most extreme forms of covid-19 denial-ism etc.

Nevertheless, I find it important to push back on the notion that critics of this policy are somehow barking up the wrong tree because of semantics-based denial when things began to heat up. CRT-inspired racism / racial essentialism...call it what you like. But it ain't the collective imagination of the entire Right-of-Center America  (+ and then some!).

That first video a gives a very informative summary of defenders of how the "No CRT here" camp neglects the practical delivery of teaching vs. whats written down on the official curriculum. The video below is a car-crash of an interview given by an MSNBC host "interviewing" (I use that phrase loosely) someone on the other side.

There is also well-documented examples in the parallel private school system of unabashed race essentialism and the schools are openly proud. There's also endless clips of educational professionals proudly saying the most insane things during Zoom class, as well as the standard none-action by schools when it is reported.

None of it was healthy, and it got out of control after the George Flloyd. It's actually happening, and it cuts at the very core of what the OP talks about: the United States of America being ripped apart at its seams. And no it's not a conspiracy.
 

 

You can post away, however, it's not a matter of barking up the wrong tree, it's like barking at no tree. 

 

It's not taught in K - 12. 

 

[talahtnut]

Dear Americans, I know why you have a potato in the White House.

If you know the reason, you will understand the root of your problems.

[Khabib]

7 hours ago, connda said:

'Do your own research / I do my own research' has become code for conspiracy theory followers

That sounds like a rip-roaring good conspiracy theory you've constructed.
This should be entertaining.  ????

 

Make sure it is a conspiracy theory first, I suggest you do your own research.

[Will B Good]

9 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Opinions are not facts, but too many people are starting to believe their opinions are gospel. Case in point - "Critical Race Theory" is NOT being taught in any grade schools, but too many liars reported it was, so ignorant parents were willingly deluded and death threats were launched at school board members.

This notion of critical race theory being taught is all part of the rightwing attempts to stir, divide, upset.......along with stoking fictitious fears of wokeism...........and people fall for it every time.

Edited December 5, 2021 by Will B Good

[sezze]

IMHO , this is all caused by left-right politicians and their followers .As long as it stays in the center all is fine , since then everybody agrees on points . As soon as 1 steps out of line and he succeeds , then the other side will do the same . In a point where nobody agrees on each other and everything said on 1 side is always wrong and the other side is always right no matter what he or his followers say .

Next is the stupidity of things like Facialbook , Tiktak , Instastupid ... everybody can say there anything they want without having to follow any rules . Since it all politics , they 1 way or another divide themselves in 1 kind of group , attracting more of the same , believing anything what they say .

This is all seen everywhere in the world , every country ,and the problem is that it will create havoc in the longer term , unless you go back to the middle . By havoc i mean , war , can be internal or external .

The "do your own research" does mean , i follow people on this and that Facialbook or similar , and since they all have the same opinion they attract more of the same voice , and nothing from any other voice . 

[HappyExpat57]

11 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

what is more scary is that you think you know better than the rest of us ????

When you point a finger at someone, you have three more pointing back at yourself.

Edited December 5, 2021 by HappyExpat57

[BritManToo]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

What has he done that's actually evil? Given that he's been wealthy and influential for 40 years now don't you think that would have manifested itself by now? Has he suddenly become evil now that it suits the far right to denigrate him? In what way is he a force for evil? Giving billions to charity, is that evil or good? The only issue here is that the far right need an antichrist to function.

I'm far left (traditional Marxist) and I certainly see him as a force for evil.

His wealth should have been redistributed to the people a long time ago.

People who display such greed are by definition evil (according to the teachings of both Socialism and Christianity).

[BritManToo]

7 hours ago, ChristianBlessing said:

If it said, "I've found some information all the world's top scientists and doctors were paid/intimidated to hide from the proletariat" 

I might agree.

 

But then, who are these 'top scientists' and why do you think they know any better than posters on AN? Most scientists aren't all that special, science was too low paid for me to bother working in it for long.

 

Same for doctors, most doctors I've met are very ordinary, but much higher earners than scientists, I feel no urge to worship their knowledge as superior to my own. In fact in the cases of three Thai doctors I've encountered, my knowledge turned out to be far superior to theirs.

Edited December 6, 2021 by BritManToo

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm far left (traditional Marxist) and I certainly see him as a force for evil.

His wealth should have been redistributed to the people a long time ago.

People who display such greed are by definition evil (according to the teachings of both Socialism and Christianity).

Your a marxist, exploiting the fact that woman are cheap here. Wonder how that works. ????

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your a marxist, exploiting the fact that woman are cheap here. Wonder how that works. ????

Karl Marx married a Baroness, lived off her money, and had sex with her female servants.

That's undisputed historical fact.

 

The idea of 'exploitation' arises when not paying people fair compensation for their work.

I've always paid the market value for the product, how about you?

Edited December 6, 2021 by BritManToo

[rumak]

14 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

actually, it works on both sides, so nobody is right at the end, no matter the research ????

 

yes,  if you turned the OP's  post around you would be closer to the truth.   he and so many have been completely duped by the fact that all the main media print what they are told to.   Or they won't have a job.

conspiracy theory ?   such an easy way to try to win an argument.    OP is a perfect example of sheeple (who think that they critically think)