3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Thank you for your reply but I do not trust the CDC, their "data" and their "science" as nothing they have said in the past couple of years has been true.

Now that a fifth shot is in the works, it is about time we understood that this will never stop unless we just say no.

 

Yet that study from Israel on a 4th booster shot in now way mentioned the need for a 5th stating instead that it  not enough to prevent Omicron-variant infections.

 

Your conclusion is not what it says and very misleading.

That's great news for Pfizer. ????

10 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

 

I am curious about what long-term effects you think will occur?   Vaccines really don't work that way, they get into the body, they stimulate our own immune system to produce antibodies and then they are out of our body.  Any effect is quite quick, usually within a matter of minutes to a few days.   

32 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

If what you say is true then you voted no.. Since science has studied short term effect and chosen to comment that there is no benefit and does not increase resistance or increase antibodies to fight covid in small children. And.. since there is no long term studies available to be able to rely on a scientific theory for future adverse effects on small children. Then you are only basing your opinion and not relying on science at all. Hopefully... Long term effect from being given vaccines at suck an early age will not damage a child. But noone knows for sure. 

False.

Vaccinated kids half as likely to get Omicron, but protection fades fast — study

Israeli children who were vaccinated against the coronavirus are catching the Omicron variant at less than half the rate of their unvaccinated peers, according to new research released late Wednesday.

The study, thought to be the first of its kind, is a rare bright spot for Israel as it contends with a massive wave of infections sweeping across the country. As of Wednesday evening, nearly 400,000 Israelis had active COVID infections, representing over 4 percent of the entire population, with 60,000 to 70,000 new cases being added daily.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/vaccinated-kids-half-as-likely-to-get-omicron-but-protection-fades-fast-study/

 

And this is only about resistance to getting infected. And it's always been the case, even when antibodies return to low levels, boosted T-cell immunity remains. Which protects against serious illness and death.

 

And, as per usual among anti-covid vaxxers, you seem to have no concern at all about the possible long term latent effects of the virus. Even though there are many viral pathogens that do result in long term latent effects, some of which are fatal, but to date no vaccines have been found to do so.

On 1/21/2022 at 7:43 PM, EVENKEEL said:

Straight from CDC

 

"But the risk that a child gets seriously ill is extremely small — comparable to the risk that children face of having serious illness as a result of the flu."

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/25/997467734/childrens-risk-of-serious-illness-from-covid-19-is-as-low-as-it-is-for-the-flu

Quote is from May of 2021, I think Omicron has been more serious for children.

Troll post removed.

 

Participation in this thread does not require that you have children.    

Yes
 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/children-teens.html

Yes.

6 hours ago, LA8RAT said:

We arnt all in this together though are we Jeff. 

 

The people making the policies arnt struggling to home educate their children.. They have the finest tutors available coming around to educate their children. They have houses with nice big gardens the kids can play in.  They arnt cooped up in some one room apartment with no respite from bored kids. 

  I look forward to your proof that we are all in this together.. Or is that just another one of your buzz phrases you like to trot out? 

What?  I hear what you're saying, but since this virus doesn't care if you are rich or poor, then we're all in this together.  Like it or not.  Rich or poor.  And guess what.  The vaccines are free.

15 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

My alternate version of @Jeffr2's wording would not have said "fastest"...

 

But perhaps instead.... Our currently best available way through this mess is via vaccines.

 

It's hard to make time judgments, when fully one-third of Thailand, the U.S. and many other places haven't even been fully vaccinated now, two years into COVID and more than one year since the arrival of the vaccines. And many other places with vax rates less than those.

 

It may be that, as things stand now, the best we can hope for given the current crop of vaccines and persistent resistance by some to vaccination is to limit and lessen the health, economic and other impacts of the pandemic -- which itself would still be a significant result -- until better vaccines or treatments come along, and/or, until the pandemic at some point burns out/mutates out via nature.

Well put.  Vaccine hesitancy is a huge problem.  Fueled by misinformation on social media.  Luckily, many counties are moving forward with incentives to get vaccinated.  Either positive ones (like cash, rewards, etc) or negative ones (like mandates and isolation for the unvaxxed).

15 hours ago, Ryan754326 said:

You’ve been repeating this statement for months, and yet here we are, a year into the vaccine rollout, and the most vaccinated countries in the world are recording more cases than ever. So can you explain how you think that vaccines will be our way out of this mess? 
 

Yes, I know that the vaccines prevent serious illness and death for those who have chosen to get them, but that’s a completely different thing than bringing the pandemic to an end.

True, but...way less in the hospital and way less dying.  Why?  Vaccines.

 

From now on, the metric won't be cases, but hospitalizations and deaths.  Covid will become endemic and the pandemic will end.  Covid will be with us for the rest of our lives.  Just like variants of the Spanish Flu are still here today.

46 minutes ago, Sukkaphapsickle said:

Not if you value their health and safety!

Could you please post again but this time make it a little shorter? The quantity of evidence you offered is kind of overwhelming.

I would say, check out Fig. 7 on Canada's site, and decide how you want to play.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

 

Change dropdown to Deceased and look at Under 20 numbers and beyond.

 

With a 27 in ~32k chance for Under 20's, and compare that with rate of "Vaccine Injury" or unknown long term effects, hopefully we all can make the same reasonable conclusion.

Up to you ????

 

3 minutes ago, matador007 said:

I would say, check out Fig. 7 on Canada's site, and decide how you want to play.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

 

Change dropdown to Deceased and look at Under 20 numbers and beyond.

 

With a 27 in ~32k chance for Under 20's, and compare that with rate of "Vaccine Injury" or unknown long term effects, hopefully we all can make the same reasonable conclusion.

Up to you ????

 

It doesn't note the chances of contracting long-covid. And how would one compare the rate of "vaccine injury" to the unknown rate of long term effects. But if you are going to cite long term effects, then history shows us it's viral pathogens that produce long term latent effects some of which are fatal.. No vaccine has ever been shown to result in any latent long term effect, much less fatal ones.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It doesn't note the chances of contracting long-covid. And how would one compare the rate of "vaccine injury" to the unknown rate of long term effects. But if you are going to cite long term effects, then history shows us it's viral pathogens that produce long term latent effects some of which are fatal.. No vaccine has ever been shown to result in any latent long term effect, much less fatal ones.

Give Viagra a miss if I were you, no cherry picking.....????

20 hours ago, thaitom said:

You obviously do not know what goes on in the public schools.

There is no social interaction any more.wearing masks etc.

maybe home schooling is the way forward thaitom.

if i had a kids would do the same, for sure.

On 1/23/2022 at 12:11 PM, sungod said:

Well, my son already had it, avoided serious illness thankfully, his runny nose and cough didn't cause us too much stress  either which we are thankful for.

 

The WHO article was interesting, 1 small dose, no boosters. I can understand why some parents may follow up on that is they have been lucky enough that their kids have not contacted it yet, but for us that would be closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I trust the WHO as far as i could through them.

they all seem to have the same agenda.WHO,UN,WEF etc !

 

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yet that study from Israel on a 4th booster shot in now way mentioned the need for a 5th stating instead that it  not enough to prevent Omicron-variant infections.

 

Your conclusion is not what it says and very misleading.

The most jabbed up country in the world

with the highest amount of cases

go figure !

19 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The comments on this thread leads me to believe folks with no kids believe vaccinating kids is good for the sake of others. How would you a stranger know what's best for my kid.

Exactly.its none of their f.......ing business

14 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

One of my friends' 18 year-old son got myocardytis 3 months ago after the jab and is still crippled by it. A girl I know in her 20s died of a stroke 2 weeks after the jab. I don't want that to happen to me or my kid so a big No Thanks.

 

????sorry to hear that rattlesnake

6 hours ago, Venom said:

That's great news for Pfizer. ????????

???????????????????? 

4 hours ago, Credo said:

I am curious about what long-term effects you think will occur?   Vaccines really don't work that way, they get into the body, they stimulate our own immune system to produce antibodies and then they are out of our body.  Any effect is quite quick, usually within a matter of minutes to a few days.   

they wanted to have a 50 yr gap on effect results.

But we will find out the truth of the matter within the next few yrs

15 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

The most jabbed up country in the world

with the highest amount of cases

go figure !

A more accurate statistics is death rate. And among economically developed nations with good public health reporting, Israel ranks among the lowest in that category. Despite the fact that it has the misfortune to be burdened with a very sizable contingent of religious loons who refuse to get vaccinated, have large families, and spend lots of time congregating at close quarters with their fellow believers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

41 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

I trust the WHO as far as i could through them.

they all seem to have the same agenda.WHO,UN,WEF etc !

 

Yeah. Shame on them for trying to help people around the world. Terrible.

41 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

The most jabbed up country in the world

with the highest amount of cases

go figure !

Cases are no longer the important metric. Hospitalizations and deaths are. So they are doing very well now. Thanks to the jabs.

5 hours ago, KC 71 said:

Exactly.its none of their f.......ing business

When they put me and my family at risk, it's then my ... business.

 

32 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

they wanted to have a 50 yr gap on effect results.

But we will find out the truth of the matter within the next few yrs

With bilions of jabs already in arms now, we have the truth.

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Thank you for your reply but I do not trust the CDC, their "data" and their "science" as nothing they have said in the past couple of years has been true.

Now that a fifth shot is in the works, it is about time we understood that this will never stop unless we just say no.

 

Spoken like a true anti vaxxer.

 

Guaranteed, most of what the CDC said in the past couple of years was true. Guaranteed. Especially the comment that misinformation is our current biggest health problem.

 

So I'm guessing you don't get annual flu jabs? Upcoming annual flu jabs will soon provide protection against covid also.

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

What?  I hear what you're saying, but since this virus doesn't care if you are rich or poor, then we're all in this together.  Like it or not.  Rich or poor.  And guess what.  The vaccines are free.

They arnt free..  They are bought out of out taxes.. Do you think big pharmaceutical companies are these great benevolent entries that do everything for free and only care about the good of mankind? 

2 minutes ago, LA8RAT said:

They arnt free..  They are bought out of out taxes.. Do you think big pharmaceutical companies are these great benevolent entries that do everything for free and only care about the good of mankind? 

What a ridiculous comment. Ultimately, no government provided service is free. But the fact is it's a government provided service and no charges are levied on those being vaccinated. You can be destitute and still get vaccinated.