Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[tgw]

36 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

I would say Putin/Russia have been looking at barbarism in the rear view mirror for quite a while now, they have progressed way beyond that by now in terms of evil, immoral, vile, dishonourable, and whatever else kind of horrible adjective you can think of. They are worse than despicable.
Can’t someone start a go-fund-me to raise enough millions of dollars for some brave soul to put a bullet in Putin’s brain? I would gladly donate a month’s salary.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2022/mar/03/wanted-dead-or-alive-russian-businessman-offers-usd-1-million-bounty-for-arrest-of-putin-2425831.html

Edited July 24, 2022 by tgw

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

I would say Putin/Russia have been looking at barbarism in the rear view mirror for quite a while now, they have progressed way beyond that by now in terms of evil, immoral, vile, dishonourable, and whatever else kind of horrible adjective you can think of. They are worse than despicable.
Can’t someone start a go-fund-me to raise enough millions of dollars for some brave soul to put a bullet in Putin’s brain? I would gladly donate a month’s salary.

You're right there are no words left to describe the despicable acts being carried out by Putin and his forces. There is one thing to say about him though, he's consistent, I'll give him that, any deal or international agreement signed he soon flies his middle finger into the air. 

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

I would say Putin/Russia have been looking at barbarism in the rear view mirror for quite a while now, they have progressed way beyond that by now in terms of evil, immoral, vile, dishonourable, and whatever else kind of horrible adjective you can think of. They are worse than despicable.
Can’t someone start a go-fund-me to raise enough millions of dollars for some brave soul to put a bullet in Putin’s brain? I would gladly donate a month’s salary.

can't do that or he will be remembered as an "assassinated"  hero VS jailed and die there would be remembered as a jailed assassin loser

[tgw]

24 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

can't do that or he will be remembered as an "assassinated"  hero VS jailed and die there would be remembered as a jailed assassin loser

just put Thai Police on the case, suicide, end of.

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On 2/25/2022 at 2:50 PM, 4MyEgo said:

The one thing you forgot here, is that Iraq was a push over, Russia is a nuclear power, so the USA and others will not get involved militarily because the last thing anyone wants is a nuclear war and Putin is not the late Saddam Hussain. 

Although as a military strategist, he does seem to have a lot in common with Hussein.

[Hellfire]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're right there are no words left to describe the despicable acts being carried out by Putin and his forces. There is one thing to say about him though, he's consistent, I'll give him that, any deal or international agreement signed he soon flies his middle finger into the air. 

KGB school.. No morals, no principles, no values, no truth, no respect to human life… This inhuman sect was created during the Lenin-Stalin’s rule. Still alive and thriving.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Hellfire

[4MyEgo]

37 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Although as a military strategist, he does seem to have a lot in common with Hussein.

Yeh well I guess it's kind of hard when you have others supplying your neighbour with extra weapons and getting involved from behind the lines when they say they aren't.

[rudi49jr]

15 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Yeh well I guess it's kind of hard when you have others supplying your neighbour with extra weapons and getting involved from behind the lines when they say they aren't.

That’s rich, accusing Ukraine of not fighting fair. 

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2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Yeh well I guess it's kind of hard when you have others supplying your neighbour with extra weapons and getting involved from behind the lines when they say they aren't.

Who exactly is saying they aren't?

[Bkk Brian]

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

Although as a military strategist, he does seem to have a lot in common with Hussein.

He's a brilliant strategist:

 

Months - 5

Victories - 0

Casualties - 15,000 up Russian soldiers dead

Dead Generals - Lost Count

Goodwill Gestures - 2 (so far) Kyiv & Snake Island

Economy - Toilet

Capital Ships - 1 fewer

Finland & Sweden - NATO

War crimes - Countless

Genocides - In progress

Odessa - Bombed

 

[Bkk Brian]

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky says his forces are advancing "step by step" into the occupied southern region of Kherson.

 

Earlier this month, Ukraine's Deputy Prime Minster Iryna Vereshchuk urged Kherson residents to evacuate the city as soon as possible to avoid becoming trapped in the city during a counteroffensive in southern Ukraine.

 

Meanwhile, a senior defence adviser to Mr Zelensky claimed that around 1,000 Russian troops in the region have been encircled by Ukrainian forces.

Oleksiy Arestovych said the Russians had been caught in a "tactical encirclement" near the village of Vysokopillya in Kherson oblast. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62283196

 

 

[rudi49jr]

Lavrov confirms Moscow’s plans for regime change in Ukraine: “We will definitely help the Ukrainian people to free themselves from the regime that is absolutely anti-people and anti-history.”

 

The arrogance and cynicism of that one sentence alone is repugnant and sickening. How someone like Lavrov can say something like that with a straight face is beyond me. In April he had claimed, by the way, that Russia had no intention to change the regime in Ukraine.
 

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/07/24/lavrov-confirms-moscows-plans-for-regime-change-in-ukraine

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Lavrov confirms Moscow’s plans for regime change in Ukraine: “We will definitely help the Ukrainian people to free themselves from the regime that is absolutely anti-people and anti-history.”

 

The arrogance and cynicism of that one sentence alone is repugnant and sickening. How someone like Lavrov can say something like that with a straight face is beyond me. In April he had claimed, by the way, that Russia had no intention to change the regime in Ukraine.
 

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/07/24/lavrov-confirms-moscows-plans-for-regime-change-in-ukraine

You know that we can't trust any Russian...it's always someone's else fault.... they send missile to Odessa less then 24 hours off signing a no bombing agreement to deliver grain, they didn't give a damn about and send the missile, when accused of doing so, first answer """Not us, we didn't do it""" today all of a sudden they told the "partial" truth

Russia claims responsibility for missile strike on Ukrainian port city 1 day after agreeing to allow exports

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-claims-responsibility-missile-strike-ukrainian-port-city-one-day-agreeing-allow-exports

 

[Bkk Brian]

Video of the strikes & aftermath in the article

 

Ukraine steps up attacks on Russian-occupied Kherson

 

A key Russian-held bridge into the occupied southern city of Kherson has been hit with a barrage of rocket fire by Ukrainian forces, who appear to be stepping up operations to isolate the city.

 

Video and witness accounts pointed to up to 18 detonations on the Antonivskiy Bridge over the Dnieper River, one of the main Russian resupply routes into Kherson, with Russian anti-missile air defences apparently failing to intercept the strikes. A second railway bridge upstream was also hit.

 

Filmed standing on one side of the bridge in a flak jacket, Stermousov said: “As you can see the movement over the bridge has been suspended. Indeed, tonight there was a strike by Himars.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/27/ukraine-steps-up-attacks-on-russian-occupied-kherson

 

 

 

 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Video of the strikes & aftermath in the article

 

Ukraine steps up attacks on Russian-occupied Kherson

 

A key Russian-held bridge into the occupied southern city of Kherson has been hit with a barrage of rocket fire by Ukrainian forces, who appear to be stepping up operations to isolate the city.

 

Video and witness accounts pointed to up to 18 detonations on the Antonivskiy Bridge over the Dnieper River, one of the main Russian resupply routes into Kherson, with Russian anti-missile air defences apparently failing to intercept the strikes. A second railway bridge upstream was also hit.

 

Filmed standing on one side of the bridge in a flak jacket, Stermousov said: “As you can see the movement over the bridge has been suspended. Indeed, tonight there was a strike by Himars.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/27/ukraine-steps-up-attacks-on-russian-occupied-kherson

 

let's hope they are successful in destroying that bridge and then in encircling lots of Ruzzkies and taking them prisoners

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51 minutes ago, tgw said:

let's hope they are successful in destroying that bridge and then in encircling lots of Ruzzkies and taking them prisoners

They don't actually want to destroy the bridge. Apparently HIMARs are so accurate that the Ukrainian forces make the bridge impassable without destroying the structural integrity of the bridge.

[tgw]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

They don't actually want to destroy the bridge. Apparently HIMARs are so accurate that the Ukrainian forces make the bridge impassable without destroying the structural integrity of the bridge.

impassable works too.

even better, then the offensive can go right over it.

[ExpatOilWorker]

On 7/23/2022 at 3:40 PM, Bkk Brian said:

There are reports on twitter and Ukraine language websites of a significant number of Russian troops encircled near Kherson, about 1,000 of them but nothing confirmed yet via credible sources.

 

 

ISW cannot confirm rumors about a Ukrainian encirclement of Russian forces near Vysokopillya as of this publication.

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1550625914098253828?

 

A rumor was all it was. No Russian troops were ever encircled. 

The Ukrainians are also masters of propaganda. 

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4 hours ago, tgw said:

impassable works too.

even better, then the offensive can go right over it.

Impassable is better because the bridge can eventually be restored to working condition. But it's in no shape to support traffic going in either direction, including an offensive

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1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

A rumor was all it was. No Russian troops were ever encircled. 

The Ukrainians are also masters of propaganda. 

There actually seems to be quite a bit of evidence in support of that. And it hardly seems unlikely give that Ukraine has reclaimed about 15% of territory in Kherson.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1645422/russia-news-putin-troops-face-wipeout-in-kherson-pocket-ukraine-war-updates

https://theins.ru/en/news/253447

[ExpatOilWorker]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There actually seems to be quite a bit of evidence in support of that. And it hardly seems unlikely give that Ukraine has reclaimed about 15% of territory in Kherson.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1645422/russia-news-putin-troops-face-wipeout-in-kherson-pocket-ukraine-war-updates

https://theins.ru/en/news/253447

As fake as fakes ever will be:

 

Around 1,000 Russian soldiers are reported to be trapped in Vysokopillya, having failed to evacuate in time.

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26 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

As fake as fakes ever will be:

 

Around 1,000 Russian soldiers are reported to be trapped in Vysokopillya, having failed to evacuate in time.

If you've read Lewis Carroll's Hunting, a great nonsense poem, of the Snark you'll know that one of the characters says if I say it three times then it's true. You have one more time to go. Why do you think this story is so unlikely to be true? Are the Ukrainians not making advances on Kherson? Has the Russian military distinguished itself by its mastery of strategy and tactics?

Edited July 28, 2022 by placeholder

[ExpatOilWorker]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If you've read Lewis Carroll's Hunting, a great nonsense poem, of the Snark you'll know that one of the characters says if I say it three times then it's true. You have one more time to go. Why do you think this story is so unlikely to be true? Are the Ukrainians not making advances on Kherson? Has the Russian military distinguished itself by its mastery of strategy and tactics?

I better use my last time right then.

The story first appeared about 5 days ago, but only on Ukrainian sites. Everyone happily shared this great news and the story caught some traction.

Then it Petered out, zero follow up and absolute zero evidence. 

So what really happened?

Vysokopillya is mainly a pile of ruins and it was a contested city for a while, so there were probably very few if any Russian soldiers there at all.

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

A rumor was all it was. No Russian troops were ever encircled. 

The Ukrainians are also masters of propaganda. 

You point out a 6 day old unconfirmed battlefield report that was also reported on the BBC as being unconfirmed turned out to be just that. Gee thanks. In the meantime the Ukraine advance into Kherson is going well including cutting off Russians supplies with the Antonivsky vehicle bridge and the separate railway bridge having been struck for the third time in 10 days making it currently inoperable.

 

I wonder how far back we need to go to see blatant lies by the Russians? Not far. They initially denied they struck the Odesa Port less than 24 hours after signing the Grain deal to not strike the ports. That piece of propaganda, blatant lies nonsense lasted just a few hours before then admitting it in the face of overwhelming evidence that it was them.

[Rimmer]

Kherson: Ukraine stepping up counter offensive to retake city - sources

Kyiv Post

Ukraine's campaign to retake the occupied Kherson region is "gathering pace," Western military sources say.

A key bridge into the city of Kherson was forced to shut after being damaged by long-range Ukrainian rockets originally supplied by the US.

It means thousands of Russian troops are now in danger of being cut off from the rest of the occupied territory.

Strategically located west of the Dnipro River, the city was the first in the war to fall to Moscow's forces.

Read more:

https://aseannow.com/forum/158-world-news/

 

[Rimmer]

Ukrainian forces launch rocket attack on strategic bridge near occupied Kherson region

 

See more:

https://news.sky.com/video/ukrainian-forces-launch-rocket-attack-on-strategic-bridge-near-occupied-kherson-region-12659947

 

[farmerjo]

7 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I better use my last time right then.

The story first appeared about 5 days ago, but only on Ukrainian sites. Everyone happily shared this great news and the story caught some traction.

Then it Petered out, zero follow up and absolute zero evidence. 

So what really happened?

Vysokopillya is mainly a pile of ruins and it was a contested city for a while, so there were probably very few if any Russian soldiers there at all.

 

I see the Mozart group are advertising jobs for disinformation experts.

https://www.themozartgroup.com/join/

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

I see the Mozart group are advertising jobs for disinformation experts.

https://www.themozartgroup.com/join/

Not surprising they are looking for specialists to help combat, fight and expose the amount of rubbish disinformation being spewed out by Russia, would you like some of the many examples?

 

Canadian Government also does some of this:

 

Countering disinformation with facts - Russian invasion of Ukraine

https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng

Edited July 28, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[tgw]

40 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

I see the Mozart group are advertising jobs for disinformation experts.

https://www.themozartgroup.com/join/

this is quite funny, since members of Wagner are called "musicians"

[coolcarer]

2 hours ago, farmerjo said:

I see the Mozart group are advertising jobs for disinformation experts.

https://www.themozartgroup.com/join/

 Not sure you’d pass the video interview with your fact checking skills?