Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[ozimoron]

The United Nations General Assembly on Thursday suspended Russia from the U.N. Human Rights Council over reports of "gross and systematic violations and abuses of human rights" by invading Russian troops in Ukraine. Suspensions are rare.

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vote-suspending-russia-human-rights-council-over-ukraine-2022-04-07/

[rudi49jr]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5045167/ukraine-mayor-executed-russians-shallow-grave/
 

This is just one tiny example of the kind of warcrimes that the fascist/nazi Russian army is committing. Olga Sukhenko, the mayor of Motyzhyn, a small town of 10,000 people just west of Kyiv, was kidnapped by the Russian army, together with her husband and son, brutally tortured and then executed. The three bodies (together with a fourth body, as of yet still unidentified) were found in a shallow grave behind a house.

Many more horrors like these will still come to light, and the Russians will continue to deny they had anything to with it. Screw them, hope they all get a terrible disease and die a slow and painful death. And I’m not saying I condone it, but to some extent I can certainly understand why Ukrainian soldiers execute Russian soldiers they took prisoner. If someone started indiscriminately murdering my countrymen, especially people I know or even family, I don’t know what I would do if I got my hands on some of those people doing the murdering. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by rudi49jr

[jollyhangmon]

... brother's in Kiev looking into the security side of reopening evacuated embassies (the Austrian one as well as others in the hood) and he says people are returning to the city, supermarkets and shops reopening/restocking, public transport coming back online and more cars back on the streets too - explosions audible once in a while from the northern parts but coming from mine sweepers.

And yes, more atrocities like above ^^ are expected to be discovered ...

 

[ozimoron]

This is akin to shooting oneself in the foot and then complaining that it hurts.

 

"Russia gave the most sombre assessment so far of its invasion of Ukraine, describing the "tragedy" of mounting troop losses and the economic hit from sanctions, as Ukrainians were evacuated from eastern cities before an anticipated major offensive.

Moscow's six-week long incursion has seen more than 4 million people flee abroad, killed or injured thousands, turned cities into rubble and led to sweeping sanctions on Russian leaders and companies.

In a symbolic move, the United Nations General Assembly suspended Russia from the U.N. Human Rights Council, expressing "grave concern at the ongoing human rights and humanitarian crisis." Russia then quit the council."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-laments-tragedy-troop-deaths-ukraine-braces-major-offensive-2022-04-07/

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

This is akin to shooting oneself in the foot and then complaining that it hurts.

 

"Russia gave the most sombre assessment so far of its invasion of Ukraine, describing the "tragedy" of mounting troop losses and the economic hit from sanctions, as Ukrainians were evacuated from eastern cities before an anticipated major offensive.

Moscow's six-week long incursion has seen more than 4 million people flee abroad, killed or injured thousands, turned cities into rubble and led to sweeping sanctions on Russian leaders and companies.

In a symbolic move, the United Nations General Assembly suspended Russia from the U.N. Human Rights Council, expressing "grave concern at the ongoing human rights and humanitarian crisis." Russia then quit the council."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-laments-tragedy-troop-deaths-ukraine-braces-major-offensive-2022-04-07/

Russia has suffered "significant losses of troops", President Vladimir Putin's spokesman has said.

 

But asked again if Russia has lost thousands of troops, he said: "Yes, we have significant losses of troops and it's a huge tragedy for us."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61032786

[Bkk Brian]

The Wagner Group possibly responsible for many of the murders in Bucha.......................

 

German intelligence intercepted radio exchanges between Russian soldiers who discussed killing civilians outside Kyiv

 

German officials, who presented the intelligence to lawmakers in Berlin on Wednesday, say the intercepts indicate that the murder of civilians in the town of Bucha near the Ukrainian capital was not an act by rogue forces, but may have been part of a deliberate strategy to foment terror.

 

 In one conversation, a soldier is heard to claim that he shot and killed a cyclist. In another, an individual can be heard saying that bystanders should initially be questioned, then shot. 

 

The German information indicated that mercenaries from the Wagner Group, a private Russian military company, may have been involved in the atrocities

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-07/germany-tapped-russian-chatter-on-bucha-killings-spiegel-says

 

The PROOF Putin's soldiers and Wagner mercenaries carried out Bucha atrocities: German intelligence 'intercepts Russian troop messages discussing murders as part of strategy to sow terror'

 

The audio messages have been relayed to German parliament by the BND to further debunk baseless Kremlin claims that the bodies were staged by Ukraine after Russia withdrew from the city in a 'monstrous forgery', Spiegel reported. 

 

The wiretap recordings also show that the Wagner Group was present in the city and played 'a key role' in the massacre, and that there are likely similar scenes of slaughter elsewhere in the country.

 

The shadowy military company which has been linked to a string of killings, rapes and war crimes around the world is known as Putin's private army which carries out his dirty work at an arm's length from the state.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10695223/The-PROOF-Putins-soldiers-Wagner-mercenaries-carried-Bucha-atrocities-leaked-messages.html

[tgw]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia has suffered "significant losses of troops", President Vladimir Putin's spokesman has said.

 

But asked again if Russia has lost thousands of troops, he said: "Yes, we have significant losses of troops and it's a huge tragedy for us."

and going to be hugerer and hugerest then hugerester the more time the war criminal's accomplices remain invading Ukraine.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Wagner Group possibly responsible for many of the murders in Bucha.......................

 

German intelligence intercepted radio exchanges between Russian soldiers who discussed killing civilians outside Kyiv

 

German officials, who presented the intelligence to lawmakers in Berlin on Wednesday, say the intercepts indicate that the murder of civilians in the town of Bucha near the Ukrainian capital was not an act by rogue forces, but may have been part of a deliberate strategy to foment terror.

 

 In one conversation, a soldier is heard to claim that he shot and killed a cyclist. In another, an individual can be heard saying that bystanders should initially be questioned, then shot. 

 

The German information indicated that mercenaries from the Wagner Group, a private Russian military company, may have been involved in the atrocities

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-07/germany-tapped-russian-chatter-on-bucha-killings-spiegel-says

 

The PROOF Putin's soldiers and Wagner mercenaries carried out Bucha atrocities: German intelligence 'intercepts Russian troop messages discussing murders as part of strategy to sow terror'

 

The audio messages have been relayed to German parliament by the BND to further debunk baseless Kremlin claims that the bodies were staged by Ukraine after Russia withdrew from the city in a 'monstrous forgery', Spiegel reported. 

 

The wiretap recordings also show that the Wagner Group was present in the city and played 'a key role' in the massacre, and that there are likely similar scenes of slaughter elsewhere in the country.

 

The shadowy military company which has been linked to a string of killings, rapes and war crimes around the world is known as Putin's private army which carries out his dirty work at an arm's length from the state.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10695223/The-PROOF-Putins-soldiers-Wagner-mercenaries-carried-Bucha-atrocities-leaked-messages.html

There was also a conversation where a commander yells at a soldier, calls him names and then tells him to “kill them all”. There is more and more evidence that killing and executing civilians was an order that came from somewhere high up, that it was not just soldiers going on a rampage.

[LosLobo]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia has suffered "significant losses of troops", President Vladimir Putin's spokesman has said.

 

But asked again if Russia has lost thousands of troops, he said: "Yes, we have significant losses of troops and it's a huge tragedy for us."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61032786

 

Full interview from Sky News. The commentator also holds Russia to account for most of it's recent past bad actions. Worthwhile watching full interview.

 

"Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov denies Russia has carried out war crimes in Ukraine but admits there's been 'significant' Russian losses."

 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by LosLobo

[tgw]

actually the missile defense issue I mentioned earlier is very relevant for this conflict, as is the defunct INF treaty:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/12/putin-russia-us-missile-defense-nato-ukraine/

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-china-and-russia-will-fear-americas-new-land-fired-tomahawk-missile-74871

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-army-getting-new-missile—made-other-missiles-172256

 

that's the weapon which is ideal for Ukraine.

it would allow Ukraine to hit Russian ships and military installations.

Edited April 8, 2022 by tgw

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

There was also a conversation where a commander yells at a soldier, calls him names and then tells him to “kill them all”. There is more and more evidence that killing and executing civilians was an order that came from somewhere high up, that it was not just soldiers going on a rampage.

I agree and a lot of this seems to be derived from the rhetoric on Russian TV media about hangings and eliminating Ukraine. Orders from the top are certainly something not to be ruled out:

 

Similar to the question if we are at the stage of Genocide now, some experts sqy we are others say its on the cusp and more evidence is needed first.

 

Eugene Finkel, an associate professor of international affairs at Johns Hopkins University, believes genocide is underway in Ukraine. He says there is evidence of killings, carried out in Bucha and other places, of people based on their Ukrainian identity.

"It's not just killing people, it's targeting a national identity group," he says.

However, it's the rhetoric coming from Moscow that tips over into genocidal intent, Mr Finkel says.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61017352

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I agree and a lot of this seems to be derived from the rhetoric on Russian TV media about hangings and eliminating Ukraine. Orders from the top are certainly something not to be ruled out:

 

Similar to the question if we are at the stage of Genocide now, some experts sqy we are others say its on the cusp and more evidence is needed first.

 

Eugene Finkel, an associate professor of international affairs at Johns Hopkins University, believes genocide is underway in Ukraine. He says there is evidence of killings, carried out in Bucha and other places, of people based on their Ukrainian identity.

"It's not just killing people, it's targeting a national identity group," he says.

However, it's the rhetoric coming from Moscow that tips over into genocidal intent, Mr Finkel says.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61017352

We can be sure ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ is central to the Russian plan to carve off sections of Ukraine.

 

There is no possibility of Russia maintaining control over any part of Ukraine if ethnic Ukrainians remain in those areas in any significant numbers.

 

Putin will therefore seek to remove ethnic Ukrainians from areas he wishes to control, he can do this be three methods; physically transporting  ethnic Ukrainians out of these areas, terrorizing Ukrainians to flee from these areas or, as voices in Russian media are calling for, a ‘final solution’.

 

Be assured, ethnic cleansing is part of Putin’s plan.

[rudi49jr]

Furious Russian women cut up their Chanel handbags. Talk about your meaningful protests! Hubby won’t be very happy with it, because these handbags cost up to 8000 dollars. And he can’t access his bank accounts anymore to buy new ones for his wife/mistress/whatever.
Maybe they should start crashing their Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s, and toss their Audemars Piguet and Patek Phillipe in the Volga to really make their point.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10691751/Furious-Russian-women-cut-Chanel-handbags-protest-firms-Russia-boycott-sales-ban.html

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, tgw said:

actually the missile defense issue I mentioned earlier is very relevant for this conflict, as is the defunct INF treaty:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/12/putin-russia-us-missile-defense-nato-ukraine/

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-china-and-russia-will-fear-americas-new-land-fired-tomahawk-missile-74871

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-army-getting-new-missile—made-other-missiles-172256

 

that's the weapon which is ideal for Ukraine.

it would allow Ukraine to hit Russian ships and military installations.

The US MRC ground based missile system is still in development and won't be available until 2023.

The Ukrainians already have their own Neptune missile system which recently is reported to have sank a Russian ship in the Black Sea.
 

Edited April 8, 2022 by LosLobo

[tgw]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

The US MRC ground based missile system is still in development and won't be available until 2023.

The Ukrainians already have their own Neptune missile system which recently is reported to have sank a Russian ship in the Black Sea.
 

the Neptune missile system was developed during INF treaty and has a range of 300 Km, which is ineffective.

 

land-based Tomahawk missiles would be ideal.

[sammieuk1]

New level of sickening reached with two missiles aimed at a train station 30+ dead appalling scenes now posted ???? 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

New level of sickening reached with two missiles aimed at a train station 30+ dead appalling scenes now posted ???? 

Yea saw that on the BBC, its 39 people dead now and rising with 87 injured. The first response from the maniacs ie the Russian spokesman was that is was a Ukraine provocation. How sick is that? The West/Nato needs to do more!! This situation is out of control. 

[sammieuk1]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea saw that on the BBC, its 39 people dead now and rising with 87 injured. The first response from the maniacs ie the Russian spokesman was that is was a Ukraine provocation. How sick is that? The West/Nato needs to do more!! This situation is out of control. 

You can't unsee the carnage poor souls ????

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, LosLobo said:

 

Full interview from Sky News. The commentator also holds Russia to account for most of it's recent past bad actions. Worthwhile watching full interview.

 

"Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov denies Russia has carried out war crimes in Ukraine but admits there's been 'significant' Russian losses."

 

 

Didn't even have start the VDO. Look at his eyes!

[Chris.B]

5 hours ago, LosLobo said:

 

Full interview from Sky News. The commentator also holds Russia to account for most of it's recent past bad actions. Worthwhile watching full interview.

 

"Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov denies Russia has carried out war crimes in Ukraine but admits there's been 'significant' Russian losses."

 

 

Not interested in listening to his lies.

[Berkshire]

6 hours ago, LosLobo said:

 

Full interview from Sky News. The commentator also holds Russia to account for most of it's recent past bad actions. Worthwhile watching full interview.

 

"Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov denies Russia has carried out war crimes in Ukraine but admits there's been 'significant' Russian losses."

 

 

Why would journalists even talk to Russian officials anymore?  We all know they're just going to lie and lie their as* off.

[Hellfire]

6 hours ago, LosLobo said:

 

Full interview from Sky News. The commentator also holds Russia to account for most of it's recent past bad actions. Worthwhile watching full interview.

 

"Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov denies Russia has carried out war crimes in Ukraine but admits there's been 'significant' Russian losses."

 

 

There are three prominent Dmitrys in the Russian government: Peskov, Medvedev and Rogozin. All three of them are clowns. Would not take seriously anything these puppets say.
To be honest, all the other, so called Russian politicians, are not any better. They all serve their Master and none has a personal opinion on anything. 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by Hellfire

[Hellfire]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Furious Russian women cut up their Chanel handbags. Talk about your meaningful protests! Hubby won’t be very happy with it, because these handbags cost up to 8000 dollars. And he can’t access his bank accounts anymore to buy new ones for his wife/mistress/whatever.
Maybe they should start crashing their Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s, and toss their Audemars Piguet and Patek Phillipe in the Volga to really make their point.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10691751/Furious-Russian-women-cut-Chanel-handbags-protest-firms-Russia-boycott-sales-ban.html

 In the Volga? If you look at these videos carefully - most of them are filmed outside Russia, most often in the USA, Europe or Maldives. Putin's elite, with all the anti-western rhetorics of their boss, is not living in Russia. They send their children to study in the West, they buy houses and mansions in the West, they prefer to get medical services in the West, many of them have Western passports etc. It is hard to understand how deeply hypocritical  Putin's elite and system is. And there is no way it will not fail soon, one way or another.

[ballpoint]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea saw that on the BBC, its 39 people dead now and rising with 87 injured. The first response from the maniacs ie the Russian spokesman was that is was a Ukraine provocation. How sick is that? The West/Nato needs to do more!! This situation is out of control. 

This guy agrees with you.  A very interesting interview.

 

[tgw]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea saw that on the BBC, its 39 people dead now and rising with 87 injured. The first response from the maniacs ie the Russian spokesman was that is was a Ukraine provocation. How sick is that? The West/Nato needs to do more!! This situation is out of control. 

now it's 50.

https://kyivindependent.com/national/at-least-39-killed-by-russian-strike-on-train-station-with-evacuating-civilians/

 

these sick Russians play the game that they don't know about what the separatists are doing.

so they swear the Russian forces didn't do it.

in fact, technically, the "Russian" forces don't have the Tochka-U missile in their arsenal.

 

in reality, the separatists have received the Russian missiles and launched that attack on Kramatorsk.

 

the launch was even documented on video.

 

but LPR, DPR, are all in the same boat with war criminal Putin and his accomplices.

 

the separatists also downed MH17 using a Russian air defense system. Russia: "oops, hey, it wasn't us !!!"

 

they just shoot on anything like the barbarians they are.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by tgw

[tgw]

3 hours ago, Hellfire said:

There are three prominent Dmitrys in the Russian government: Peskov, Medvedev and Rogozin. All three of them are clowns. Would not take seriously anything these puppets say.
To be honest, all the other, so called Russian politicians, are not any better. They all serve their Master and none has a personal opinion on anything. 

 

to be honest, it's impossible for the public to know a professional politician's personal opinion on anything

[tgw]

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Why would journalists even talk to Russian officials anymore?  We all know they're just going to lie and lie their as* off.

it's always good to keep track of all the lies

[Hellfire]

6 minutes ago, tgw said:

to be honest, it's impossible for the public to know a professional politician's personal opinion on anything

But there is a difference. Those Western politicians may have fake but different opinions (depending on all kinds of interests they present). Russian "politicians" all have one and the same position, that of their führer's. Same same but different (speaking in Thai).

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by Hellfire

[tgw]

17 minutes ago, tgw said:

now it's 50.

https://kyivindependent.com/national/at-least-39-killed-by-russian-strike-on-train-station-with-evacuating-civilians/

 

these sick Russians play the game that they don't know about what the separatists are doing.

so they swear the Russian forces didn't do it.

in fact, technically, the "Russian" forces don't have the Tochka-U missile in their arsenal.

 

in reality, the separatists have received the Russian missiles and launched that attack on Kramatorsk.

 

the launch was even documented on video.

 

but LPR, DPR, are all in the same boat with war criminal Putin and his accomplices.

 

the separatists also downed MH17 using a Russian air defense system. Russia: "oops, hey, it wasn't us !!!"

 

they just shoot on anything like the barbarians they are.

 

one of the missiles apparently was inscribed with "for our children"

 

[tgw]

3 hours ago, Hellfire said:

 In the Volga? If you look at these videos carefully - most of them are filmed outside Russia, most often in the USA, Europe or Maldives. Putin's elite, with all the anti-western rhetorics of their boss, is not living in Russia. They send their children to study in the West, they buy houses and mansions in the West, they prefer to get medical services in the West, many of them have Western passports etc. It is hard to understand how deeply hypocritical  Putin's elite and system is. And there is no way it will not fail soon, one way or another.

the most disgusting is that Putin's 4 children with his girlfriend Alina Kabajewa are Swiss citizens.