Large Department Store Refuses to Give Free Bag

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, JensenZ said:

You missed my point. Irrespective of whether you are a customer that is happy to pay for a bag, or a customer who doesn't like to pay for a bag because they feel entitled after spending a large sum, the point was about the business model. The big loser is the store, not the customer. They don't only lose one sale, but all sales to this customer in the future, which could be quite substantial. It's more petty for a store to not offer a free bad to a good customer. The customer still has his cash - cash is king - he can use it at many other places. Even if he carries a shopping next time he shops, he won't return to that store. I also made a point about how a disgruntled customer, no matter how petty you feel they might be, will cause negative advertising, by spreading the word.

 

This is not about me, or you. I personally would pay for the bag if I had none and not complain. I always carry bags with me when I shop. I recycle bags until they fall apart. This is not MY problem, but an assessment of a stupid business model by a retailer that probably cannot afford to turn away customers over the price of a bag.  

Why is following the law/rules a stupid business model? It's like arguing a store should sell booze or cigarettes to kids to make sure they don't lose them as customers. 

 

I think the bag law/rules are stupid, but I would rather see the law/rules changed for everyone, while you would (apparently) rather compel the people that are abiding the law/rule subsidize the people that feel the law/rule should not apply to them. 

[Yellowtail]

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

You could try to "follow along" yourself. There is only one Department Store in Pattaya, namely Central Festival Department Store. There is only one liquor outlet at Central Mall, which is downstairs in Tops Central supermarket. The liquor could only have been purchased at Tops Supermarket.

I think you are incorrect.

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

No, definitely not my opinion as it is absurd. The law was introduced to cut down on plastic bag use, and had nothing to do with free bags. Any store has the right to offer recycleable carry bags.

They do offer recyclable (recycleable?) bags, yes?

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

What about softly spoken customers who don't wish to buy a bag? At what volume will a customer be assessed as "loudmouthed"? Some people don't talk, just walk away if they are not happy about something. They don't argue. My wife is like that - non confrontational.

What about them, should we circumvent the law/rules for them as well? In any event, I imagine they bring their own bags, or buy them as they need them. 

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

No, everyone is different. Please refer to the above comment.

I agree, is different, but everyone should be treated the same, yes?

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

That's a lazy way to try to prove your point.

I was not trying to make a point, I was responding to yours, when you implied  the law/rules should be circumvented for big spenders buying liquor, but (apparently) not for old ladies buying water.  

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I did not read the 12 pages of this thread.

That does not surprise me.

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Considering you might have, how many people agree with you here?

Of the 84 people that posted, 71 agree with me, or about 85%

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

 

I will explain that if you state what your comment was. As has been explained, 7-11's offer free bags for purchases over 150 baht, and charge 1.50 baht per bag below that threshhold.

That's what I thought, nothing. 

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

You would want to follow customers like me at checkouts. I'm about the fastest person to move through a checkout you've ever seen. At Big-C (for example), I toss my shopping into a cart as fast as the checkout person can scan my items... then I pack it into my own recycled plastic bags after I've paid. I reuse bags until they fall apart. I have plastic bags that date to before the ban, along with many fabric bags. The 7-11 bags last many months until they tear.

Point? No?

 

In any event, I'm generally not in a hurry and don't mind waiting for people to load their dirty old bags. 

[Yellowtail]

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

You could try to "follow along" yourself. There is only one Department Store in Pattaya, namely Central Festival Department Store. There is only one liquor outlet at Central Mall, which is downstairs in Tops Central supermarket. The liquor could only have been purchased at Tops Supermarket.

I think you are incorrect.

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

No, definitely not my opinion as it is absurd. The law was introduced to cut down on plastic bag use, and had nothing to do with free bags. Any store has the right to offer recycleable carry bags.

They do offer recyclable (recycleable?) bags, yes?

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

What about softly spoken customers who don't wish to buy a bag? At what volume will a customer be assessed as "loudmouthed"? Some people don't talk, just walk away if they are not happy about something. They don't argue. My wife is like that - non confrontational.

What about them, should we circumvent the law/rules for them as well? In any event, I imagine they bring their own bags, or buy them as they need them. 

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

No, everyone is different. Please refer to the above comment.

I agree, is different, but everyone should be treated the same, yes?

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

That's a lazy way to try to prove your point.

I was not trying to make a point, I was responding to yours, when you implied  the law/rules should be circumvented for big spenders buying liquor, but (apparently) not for old ladies buying water.  

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

I did not read the 12 pages of this thread.

That does not surprise me.

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Considering you might have, how many people agree with you here?

Of the 84 people that posted, 71 agree with me, or about 85%

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

 

I will explain that if you state what your comment was. As has been explained, 7-11's offer free bags for purchases over 150 baht, and charge 1.50 baht per bag below that threshhold.

That's what I thought, nothing. 

 

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

You would want to follow customers like me at checkouts. I'm about the fastest person to move through a checkout you've ever seen. At Big-C (for example), I toss my shopping into a cart as fast as the checkout person can scan my items... then I pack it into my own recycled plastic bags after I've paid. I reuse bags until they fall apart. I have plastic bags that date to before the ban, along with many fabric bags. The 7-11 bags last many months until they tear.

Point?

 

In any event, I'm generally not in a hurry and don't mind waiting for people to load their dirty old bags. 

[FalangJaiDee]

Imagine grumbling about 4 baht <deleted>. 

[Espanol]

In Spain it is forbidden, by law, for stores to give free plastic bags; they have to charge for them compulsorily. The idea is to reduce the number of plastic bags given out in stores.

[Leaver]

On 5/24/2022 at 8:59 PM, FalangJaiDee said:

Imagine grumbling about 4 baht <deleted>. 

 

Is it a grumble, or just a shot at Thai Business 101?

[The Hammer2021]

Department  store or supermarket?

[The Hammer2021]

3 hours ago, Espanol said:

In Spain it is forbidden, by law, for stores to give free plastic bags; they have to charge for them compulsorily. The idea is to reduce the number of plastic bags given out in stores.

But the rule does not apply to angry   Gringos! LOL

Edited May 27, 2022 by The Hammer2021

[The Hammer2021]

On 5/25/2022 at 3:59 AM, FalangJaiDee said:

Imagine grumbling about 4 baht <deleted>. 

It's the principle of the thing..!! ROFL..555.

A farang with high principles is teaching the little Thai check out girl principles

[PJ71]

10 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

It's the principle of the thing..!! ROFL..555.

A farang with high principles is teaching the little Thai check out girl principles

really?

 

do you think the little Thai check out girl gives 2 <deleted>?

[Nickelbeer]

Four baht is not worth the fuss. Thai people don’t care whether they lose your business or not. There’s always another sucker ready to do business.????

[scotsdude]

I bet you gave yourself a pat on the back when you got home as well... 555.... "I showed them!!!".... 555

[tomazbodner]

On 4/22/2022 at 10:02 PM, Banana7 said:

Went to large department store in Pattaya to purchase 3 bottles of booze, totaling 8,000-9,000 baht. Paid for it and asked for a free bag to carry the purchase. Cashier refused and the manager refused, so I got a refund. The bag wasn't made of plastic. Went to a large grocery store, purchased the same bottles, recieved free bags, purchases were even double bagged.

In protest, you should give up booze. That would teach them!

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

Thai people don’t care whether they lose your business or not.

 

True.

 

9 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

There’s always another sucker ready to do business.

 

The good old days are over.  They were over pre covid.

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

True.

 

 

The good old days are over.  They were over pre covid.

For some maybe, I've never had it so good.

[pomchop]

13 pages of comments over a 4 baht bag....seems a lot of really really bored people these days?

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

For some maybe, I've never had it so good.

 

Do you own a retail or hospitality business here? 

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Leaver

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

Do you own a retail or hospitality business here? 

Yes

[Leaver]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes

 

How's your youtube channel going?  ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

49 minutes ago, pomchop said:

13 pages of comments over a 4 baht bag....seems a lot of really really bored people these days?

How many times have you posted in this thread ?

[pomchop]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

How many times have you posted in this thread ?

1?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, pomchop said:

1?

What made you decide to open the thread and read the content ?

[pomchop]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What made you decide to open the thread and read the content ?

bored

[jacko45k]

21 hours ago, PJ71 said:

really?

 

do you think the little Thai check out girl gives 2 <deleted>?

She might be upset by any tirade, particularly a new employee. That is more my gripe really.... hung-over customer with attitude and a holier than thou 'I got rights' picking on staff who do not make the decisions. 

[aussiexpat]

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

The good old days are over.  They were over pre covid.

Then leave already instead of polluting every thread with your doom and gloom outlook on life

 

You, deckchair guy and bag guy would have a fantastic time together.....

[jacko45k]

41 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

Then leave already instead of polluting every thread with your doom and gloom outlook on life

 

You, deckchair guy and bag guy would have a fantastic time together.....

Surely we like to see both sides of an argument.... and do not condone censorship! (Says he who has put him on ignore! ????)

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, aussiexpat said:

Then leave already instead of polluting every thread with your doom and gloom outlook on life

 

You, deckchair guy and bag guy would have a fantastic time together.....

 

Pattaya still offers great adult entertainment, there is no other place like it in the world, so I will continue to stay. 

 

As another member said, it's important that false and misleading, and overly optimistic posts such as yours are debated, otherwise you distort what is actually happening on the ground here.   

[aussiexpat]

22 minutes ago, Leaver said:

As another member said, it's important that false and misleading, and overly optimistic posts such as yours are debated, otherwise you distort what is actually happening on the ground here.   

Right back at you

 

As another member said, it's important that false and misleading, and overly negative posts such as yours are debated, otherwise you distort what is actually happening on the ground here.   

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[Leaver]

42 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

Right back at you

 

As another member said, it's important that false and misleading, and overly negative posts such as yours are debated, otherwise you distort what is actually happening on the ground here.   

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My posts give your posts some balance.  ????