Nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot--poll

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why don't you vote for another politician with similar politics to Trump who is not a criminal? 

Good luck with that one ????

 

Don't care either way of any outcomes.  Just the assumptions ...is a bit silly.

 

I believe MLK Jr was spot on - "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Just the assumptions ... is a bit silly.

Which assumptions?

Do you really need more evidence to understand that Trump is a traitor?

[Jonnapat]

So 42% of Americans think he should get no punishment? 

Really sad.

 

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

So 42% of Americans think he should get no punishment? 

Really sad.

 

Don't know what the question was that they answered to, but since he hasn't been charged with anything, it reassuring at least 42% have some idea of the rule of law.

 

I do agree with you, sad only 42% think he shouldn't be punished, since not charged with anything.

[Tropposurfer]

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Georgia election investigation 'will send Donald Trump to jail': former Watergate prosecutor

According to former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman, he has no doubt that there is an ironclad case brewing in Georgia that will lead to an indictment and conviction of Donald Trump.

 

Speaking with MSNBC host Katie Phang, Akerman said the evidence is overwhelming that the former president tried to steal the election in the Peachtree state as evidenced by the phone call made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger demanding he find enough votes to secure the state's 16 Electoral College votes.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-georgia-2657531189/

Lets hope so????

[Phoenix Rising]

10 hours ago, vinci said:

they will never charge Trump because they think it will look bad for America, they will find any excuses not to charge Trump, personally i would like to see Trump in prison 

Personally I would go one step further.

[Phoenix Rising]

Meanwhile, in Texas the deplorables are out in force.

 

Republicans in Texas just voted to reject democracy

 

"Disturbing video from the Texas Republican Convention this weekend shows convention-goers mocking GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw -- a Navy SEAL veteran who lost his right eye to a bomb in Afghanistan -- with the term "eye patch McCain."

But apparently even more heinous in the eyes of some attendees is that Crenshaw rejected former President Donald Trump's claims that the 2020 election was stolen. One man wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat can be seen yelling in an online video, "Dan Crenshaw is a traitor!" and "He needs to be hung for treason!""

 

Hillary called them deplorables. I would use even stronger words but that would be against forum rules.

[johnnybangkok]

4 hours ago, seajae said:

 

 it's a hearing NOT a trial. If after the hearing the DOJ thinks there's enough evidence presented to then prosecute then he goes to trial where he can call witnesses, have a defence lawyer, cross-examine and due all the things you are talking about. 

 

[charmonman]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

In interviews with the Guardian's Peter Stone, a bevy of former Department of Justice officials explained that the House committee hearings on the Jan 6th insurrection have already provided enough evidence to file criminal charges against Donald Trump.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2657531670/

I wish they’d hurry up about it. The sooner that grotesque con man is behind bars, the better.

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

With the first full week of hearings for the House select committee's investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol now complete, nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe former President Donald Trump should be charged with a crime for his role in the incident, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.

In other news 6 out of 10 Americans are so stoned they don't know what day it is.

[mikeymike100]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You're asking why anyone wants Trump to go to jail.  Simple reason:  He committed crimes.  Good enough for you?  

Its alleged he committed crimes, big difference?

[Tropposurfer]

J Michael Luttig said what I tend to see is the reality of Trump MAGA, and Republican Party position in US politics today.

 

It seems to me as an observer, a man who has still some decent critical thinking available to him, that Luttig is spot-on. Others have echoed his solemn testimony to the J6 committee. Some of those 'others' being card carry Republicans (ex the Republican Senate (minus folks Like Cheney and Kinssinger).

I do not speak of the Democratic Party being that threat. Although I do see the Dem's are dysfunctional and compromised in their own ways e.g. lobbyist influence, using their positions of power to enrich themselves (insider trading scamming) and being slaves to the dysfunctional governmental/ industrialist system they represent, and being naive and so compromised in their ways as to not act with the integrity of say Sanders, who as an independent does.

 

However I would say that while there's lots to criticise Dem's about they are not seditionists where now the Republican Party so openly stand. 

 

I think of comments made by Michael Beschsloss (spelling?) on PBS yesterday when he said that (and I paraphrase) the the Nation is (and had not before since the Civil war) in a very dangerous ("grave" was one of the word he used) place with one Party, Trump and a large proportion of the nation supportive of an overthrowing of the rule of law and very likely moving deliberately to a mass armed open-conflict domestically as 2024 approaches. All promoted openly by the previous President of the United Sates of America himself!

 

I would say that there needs to be a lot of trials and if evidence sufficient to the law, to jail a lot, yes a lot, of prominent political, administrative, judicial, police, and some military figures who have been complicit in the conspiring by Trump and his close advisers to subvert a legal election and stage a coup.

 

Without such an exposing to the clear light of day and removal from positions of power through jailing, discrediting and disqualification via conviction then these seditionists will simply continue to conspire and plot the ending of whatever form of democracy the US purports to practice and revere.

 

The evidence shared so far seem to indicate Federal high-crimes have been committed by Trump, and while apart from his business dealing criminal investigations which also have been hinted at as significant, and from legal pundits, both will indeed be proven, and soon seen by the whole world at these dual streams of open trials.  

 

I cannot see how without sweeping, transparent airing and definitive actions to depose and disassemble Trump and Trumpism (which is polite, more palatable word for neo-Nazi fascism) and the Republican Party itself how the US can continue, and survive as a possibly viable democracy.

 

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Georgia election investigation 'will send Donald Trump to jail': former Watergate prosecutor

According to former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman, he has no doubt that there is an ironclad case brewing in Georgia that will lead to an indictment and conviction of Donald Trump.

 

Speaking with MSNBC host Katie Phang, Akerman said the evidence is overwhelming that the former president tried to steal the election in the Peachtree state as evidenced by the phone call made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger demanding he find enough votes to secure the state's 16 Electoral College votes.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-georgia-2657531189/

Governor Kemp would pardon Trump after any conviction. 

[charmonman]

4 hours ago, seajae said:

 

 almost every witness so far has been a Republican, many of whom worked for Trump as close advisers, some of whom still support him (for whatever reason). Kevin McCarthy did have the chance to choose participants to serve on the committee but two of them were likely participants in the events under investigation (including the insufferable Trump sycophant Jim Jordan) so were rejected by the speaker.

 

Rather than allowing the other 3 to participate and suggesting two other acceptable candidates , McCarthy instead refused to participate at all. There are two Republicans on the committee, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger. I suppose you’d call them RINOs, which is laughable, particularly in the case of Cheney.

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Its alleged he committed crimes, big difference?

 

We all know it's a hearing. We all know it'll be allegations that come out of this rather than prosecutions. We all know it then goes to the DOJ who decide on prosecuting or not and then if they do, it goes to trial. And we certainly know that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Not seeing why you need to keep making this point when all anyone is doing is giving their OPINION he is guilty. 

[charmonman]

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Governor Kemp would pardon Trump after any conviction. 

Not sure why Kemp would want to do Trump any favours the ways he’s been treated by the ex-president.

[charmonman]

27 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

In other news 6 out of 10 Americans are so stoned they don't know what day it is.

And 4 out of those 6 probably voted for Trump.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

So not innocent until proven guilty?? LOL

It's pretty difficult to consider someone innocent when we've all heard them committing their crimes.

 

Have you forgottennfor instance, that Trump was caught on tape suborning election fraud in Georgia?

 

As an article linked to in an earlier post puts it, that's pretty much a "slam dunk" case 

Edited June 20, 2022 by GroveHillWanderer

[blazes]

3 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

I cannot see how without sweeping, transparent airing and definitive actions to depose and disassemble Trump and Trumpism (which is polite, more palatable word for neo-Nazi fascism) and the Republican Party itself how the US can continue, and survive as a possibly viable democracy.

 

 

 

This is an interesting meander through the maze of American non-thinking about important stuff in their "democracy", but is horrendously shocking in the way it concludes with a neo-Nazi call for the "disassembling" of one of the major parties in American history and modern reality. 

 

It beggars all comprehension that, outside totalitarian states like Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union, anyone committed to democracy and openness of thought would call for the disbanding of a political party in a democracy.

 

[charmonman]

29 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Its alleged he committed crimes, big difference?

It is alleged he committed crimes. I would first like to se him indicted for those crimes. Then I would like to see him go on trial. If found guilty, as I strongly suspect he is, I would like to see him sentenced to time in prison.

Is that Ok with all the lawyers on this thread?
 

 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

 

 

It is interesting to me that whenever I ask any Trump supporter/apologist /defender whether they have contributed to Trump's campaign fund, the question seems to disappear into a black hole. Perhaps it reappears in the Trump alternative universe. You know, the one where lies, dishonesty and fraud are normal.

[charmonman]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

This is an interesting meander through the maze of American non-thinking about important stuff in their "democracy", but is horrendously shocking in the way it concludes with a neo-Nazi call for the "disassembling" of one of the major parties in American history and modern reality. 

It beggars all comprehension that, outside totalitarian states like Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union, anyone committed to democracy and openness of thought would call for the disbanding of a political party in a democracy.

 

The Republican Party has essentially become a fascist party under Trump’s influence. Not all Republicans are happy about this but they have either left the party, been  kicked out or, in the case of those lacking spines or integrity, are keeping their heads down and hoping Dear Leader has a stroke.

[Jingthing]

I agree we don't want one party rule but it is the Trumpist Banana republicans that are building systems to overturn any election results they don't like. So it is the Trump R party that has morphed into the party of autocracy and arguably fascism. Time is running out to have any hope of stopping them.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Meanwhile, in Texas the deplorables are out in force.

 

Republicans in Texas just voted to reject democracy

 

"Disturbing video from the Texas Republican Convention this weekend shows convention-goers mocking GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw -- a Navy SEAL veteran who lost his right eye to a bomb in Afghanistan -- with the term "eye patch McCain."

But apparently even more heinous in the eyes of some attendees is that Crenshaw rejected former President Donald Trump's claims that the 2020 election was stolen. One man wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat can be seen yelling in an online video, "Dan Crenshaw is a traitor!" and "He needs to be hung for treason!""

 

Hillary called them deplorables. I would use even stronger words but that would be against forum rules.

But apparently even more heinous in the eyes of some attendees is that Crenshaw rejected former President Donald Trump's claims that the 2020 election was stolen. One man wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat can be seen yelling in an online video, "Dan Crenshaw is a traitor!" and "He needs to be hung for treason!""

 

Apparently.....some attendees....one man.

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

 it's a hearing NOT a trial. If after the hearing the DOJ thinks there's enough evidence presented to then prosecute then he goes to trial where he can call witnesses, have a defence lawyer, cross-examine and due all the things you are talking about. 

 

Truly bipartisan hearings can and normally do include cross-examinations.

 

But this one is not at all bipartisan or normal. 

[rudi49jr]

I truly can not understand how any sane person can still support Trump. He is a snake oil salesman, a conman, and the biggest narcissist that ever lived. When he opens his mouth, it’s to do one of three things:

1) trash anyone he sees as a threat or enemy. Which basically is everyone who ever said anything bad about him, didn’t agree with him or refused to kiss his @ss.

2) toot his own horn. 
3) whine about the 2020 election being stolen from him.

 

And this is the man that roughly 40% of Americans idolize. Amazing. 

[Muzzique]

Just leave the guy alone and move on.

 

Wasting tax payers money trying to prosecute an Ex president. Most stupid thing I ever heard.

 

Get over it and forget him. Jeepers,

 

Use the money on something constructive like building some homeless shelters instead of trying to get a pound of flesh that benefits no one.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Muzzique said:

Just leave the guy alone and move on.

 

Wasting tax payers money trying to prosecute an Ex president. Most stupid thing I ever heard.

 

Get over it and forget him. Jeepers,

 

Use the money on something constructive like building some homeless shelters instead of trying to get a pound of flesh that benefits no one.

He's controls the republican party and may be running for president again. Next time his coup attempt will probably succeed. 2020 was a test run. Ignore him? We don't have that luxury!

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

But apparently even more heinous in the eyes of some attendees is that Crenshaw rejected former President Donald Trump's claims that the 2020 election was stolen. One man wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat can be seen yelling in an online video, "Dan Crenshaw is a traitor!" and "He needs to be hung for treason!""

 

Apparently.....some attendees....one man.

 

From the article:

"As despicable as the behavior toward Crenshaw was, even more alarming were the actions taken by the Texas GOP and the convention's 5,000-plus delegates.

 

The gathering rejected the outcome of a democratic election, supported bigotry toward the LGBTQ community and imposed far-right religious beliefs on others by seeking to have them enshrined into law.

 

In fact, the convention showed us one thing: Texas Republicans are no longer hiding their extremism. Instead, they are openly embracing it."

[mikeymike100]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

It's pretty difficult to consider someone innocent when we've all heard them committing their crimes.

 

Have you forgottennfor instance, that Trump was caught on tape suborning election fraud in Georgia?

 

As an article linked to in an earlier post puts it, that's pretty much a "slam dunk" case 

If its a 'slam dunk' case as you put it why hasn't he been indicted and tried in court?

He hasn't, so he is innocent! Because he has not been proved guilty! LOL

I didn't make up "Innocent until proven guilty"