Police to prosecute Mountain B owner for negligence over locked exits

[scubascuba3]

56 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Who do you believe?

Can't trust either, it would need to be verified

[anchadian]

Yes, conflicting reports re the owner.  Taken from the BP:

 

Pongsiri Panprasong, the 27-year-old pub owner, said it opened about two months ago and he submitted a request to operate as a pub on June 13.

[Excel]

4 minutes ago, champers said:

It is published today in the main story on the Bangkok Post's front page. It will be in the paper's online version too, if you really need to know.

Well in another publication it states the "police reported that the pub owner, Pongsiri [surname reserved] was arrested on July 16 this year for opening Mountain B without a license and for opening beyond the times permitted by law.

An initial investigation reveals the venue had only two fire extinguishers, which is not enough for the capacity and space of the venue"

 

Seems the police must be very well paid to allow it to open again.

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

Yes, conflicting reports re the owner.  Taken from the BP:

 

Pongsiri Panprasong, the 27-year-old pub owner, said it opened about two months ago and he submitted a request to operate as a pub on June 13.

There is also another name floating around as well. Seems very confused. Too many names now up in the air.

[John Drake]

9 minutes ago, champers said:

if you really need to know.

Are you serious?  Hell, yes, people need to know who the owner is.

[champers]

2 minutes ago, Excel said:

Well in another publication it states the "police reported that the pub owner, Pongsiri [surname reserved] was arrested on July 16 this year for opening Mountain B without a license and for opening beyond the times permitted by law.

An initial investigation reveals the venue had only two fire extinguishers, which is not enough for the capacity and space of the venue"

 

Seems the police must be very well paid to allow it to open again.

That's the chap. 27 years old, but, who knows, could be a successful young chap ....

till now. 

It looks like he will be taking the rap.

[Excel]

Just now, champers said:

That's the chap. 27 years old, but, who knows, could be a successful young chap ....

till now. 

It looks like he will be taking the rap.

Taking the rap for sure but wonder who had the real money behind it ?

[champers]

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Are you serious?  Hell, yes, people need to know who the owner is.

I was questioning if that particular poster really needs to know the name.

It is out there now and it seems the police believe they have their man. 

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

He said all pub owners should think about the safety of customers and not flouting rules with backhanders to the authorities.

He didn't say that all police and authorities should think about public safety and neither seek nor accept backhanders from pub owners or anyone else for that matter.

 

As The (Thai) World Turns

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, champers said:

I was questioning if that particular poster really needs to know the name.

It is out there now and it seems the police believe they have their man. 

So far, I've seen three names. The one you mention, the waitress, and someone named Xiao. Three names in three different publications.

[Excel]

Just now, champers said:

I was questioning if that particular poster really needs to know the name.

It is out there now and it seems the police believe they have their man. 

Well they had their man on July 16th when they arrested him for opening the place illegally . What happened in the intervening 20 days when it went up in flames I wonder. Wonder if they will "lose" him again, especially if his family are "connected" or those who bank rolled him are.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

So far, I've seen three names. The one you mention, the waitress, and someone named Xiao. Three names in three different publications.

Yea the third one I've seen is, Xiao B

[Excel]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Yea the third one I've seen is, Xiao B

Sounds Chinese

[John Drake]

6 minutes ago, champers said:

I was questioning if that particular poster really needs to know the name.

Why shouldn't I or anyone else know? Is there some reason you think some people don't need to know? I don't get this secretiveness.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Excel said:

Sounds Chinese

It confusing, from this article that seems to have been translated:

 

https://thailand.postsen.com/news/31685/Fire-in-Chonburi-pub-netizens-dug-until-they-realized-the-owner-and-found-it-posted-it-as-an-omen-like-this.html

[austhai]

There were underage in there also. A mother spoke on the thai news yesterday of her 17yrs old daughter dying there. Not good at all. 

[champers]

2 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Why shouldn't I or anyone else know? Is there some reason you think some people don't need to know? I don't get this secretiveness.

 

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Why shouldn't I or anyone else know? Is there some reason you think some people don't need to know? I don't get this secretiveness.

The name is out there now and it doesn't register with me. 

Any suggestion that the police need to know is irrelevant because they 100% know already.

4 police officers have been transferred today. Why might that be? Not because they don't know who the owner is.

[kingkenny]

43 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Mountain B owned by  Ms Thanyapat Sornsuwanhiran 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-fire-least-13-dead-27663422

al jazera have her down as a waitress.

[BusyB]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

That's a pretty naive statement. Pretty much every bar everywhere pays the cops, so to suggest everyone suddenly stop doing so is unrealistic.

It's a shame that news media here cover the original events, but rarely will you ever see them at the court finding out the verdict of any criminal proceedings.

It's also telling that he speaks to pub owners, but not to the authorities that accept those backhanders even though they're the ones supposed to be preventing just this kind of disaster.

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by BusyB

[NanLaew]

33 minutes ago, austhai said:

There were underage in there also. A mother spoke on the thai news yesterday of her 17yrs old daughter dying there. Not good at all. 

That's the alleged 17 year-old victim's mums fault but.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

5 hours ago, webfact said:

 

He said all pub owners should think about the safety of customers and not flouting rules with backhanders to the authorities. 

That's a pretty naive statement. Pretty much every bar everywhere pays the cops, so to suggest everyone suddenly stop doing so is unrealistic.

It's a shame that news media here cover the original events, but rarely will you ever see them at the court finding out the verdict of any criminal proceedings.

He didn't suggest that backhanders should stop. He just accused those that pay them of playing fast and loose with public safety while not mentioning those who directly benefit from receiving these backhanders. You need to know your place at the great trough of life.

[MikeyIdea]

49 minutes ago, Excel said:

Sounds Chinese

It is Chinese, no Thai has the first name xiao but a few million Chinese do

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, MikeyIdea said:

It is Chinese, no Thai has the first name xiao but a few million Chinese do

And according to the article I posted if correct he has a number of businesses and influential connections there.

[Excel]

1 minute ago, MikeyIdea said:

It is Chinese, no Thai has the first name xiao but a few million Chinese do

So bank rolled by a Chinese person maybe ? Why would they want a pub anyway unless it was perhaps dual purpose for gambling perhaps

[NeoDinosaw]

2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

In my native UK I believe that anyone can look up a register to see who owns a company as well as other info about it. But even if such a system exists in Thailand I doubt that it would be much use as it would only show a pretend owner, a front man, if a VIP was behind it. Thailand excels in smoke and mirrors. Add to that the libel laws whose sole purpose is to protect the guilty.....

I suspect that UK Companies House records  contains many which only show a pretend owner (a front man),

[anchadian]

A representative of the Mountain B pub’s owner claims that there were 3 fire exits, but she didn’t know that they had all been locked from the outside, as she insisted that the proprietor is ready to compensate relatives of the dead and injured.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/15-now-dead-in-chon-buri-pub-blaze-fire-exits-all-locked-from-the-outside/

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, lujanit said:

Anyone remember the Santika night club fire in Bangkok in 2009?  Fire door (s) were also locked.  Reasons accelerating the fire sound strangely familiar.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santika_Club_fire

 

Had the same thought.... Yet I think your post was the first among many in multiple threads here to recall the similar but much more deadly fire at Santika.

 

Lots of apparent similarities between the two cases, years apart. Not surprisingly, just goes to show that all the official puffery about inspections and enforcement is pretty much just for show, and then ends up being ignored thereafter...

 

So the same kinds of things can happen here in Thailand again and again and again....

 

And ditto with multi-story hotels and condo/apartment buildings where the fire exits are locked and/or obstructed, which likewise keeps occurring with numerous fires.

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, Excel said:

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Sompong said he had no information about police being involved in illegal activity in relation to Mountain B but the committee would investigate that

Well we all know what the outcome will be.

No, "we all" do not know that.

[anchadian]

(1/2) A singer at the burnt down Mountain B Pub in Chonburi province which killed 14 on Friday and injured dozens said the pub always locked the two rear exit doors for fear of customers leaving without paying.

(2/2) Thanapat Puangpae said Sat after laying flowers he always entered the pub from one of the back doors & a guard would come to unlock it & then locked it after the musicians entered. He admits he didn't think such tragedy would occur.

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1555843330529198080

 

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Guess they won't name him or her ever...

Pongsiri Panprasong.  It's no big secret if you read anything other than Thaivisa.