Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

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7 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

You might want to double check that.

 

In Pennsylvania and Michigan.......... two of the States with the most questionable "comebacks".......... neither allows counting of mail-in and absentee ballots before election day. So there ARE NO "pre-counts" to contrast with post-ballot-closing counts, for those States. ALL the mail-in and absentee ballots in those States were left uncounted until election day. Both States require walk-in ballots be counted before mail-in and absentee ballots get counted.

 

So, if you want your claim to be believed, you're gonna have to back it up with something. Cuz when I went looking, all I could really find was that ~2/3 of States don't even allow "pre-counting."

 

https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots,_2020

 

If roughly 2/3 don't even allow "pre-counting".......... it's not really even possible to do the kind of compare-and-contrast you have described.

 

 

The fact that they don't allow pre-counting is the point. Democrats were far more likely to use mail-in ballots than republicans. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/siloed-nbc-wsj-poll-shows-how-gop-dems-hold-widely-n1236958

 

Biden’s Voters Appear Far More Likely To Vote By Mail Than Trump’s. That Could Make For A Weird Election Night.

"If this holds, it would mean votes cast on Election Day would skew heavily toward Trump, and votes cast by mail would skew heavily toward Biden. This has serious implications for … well, democracy. First, Trump could argue the mail ballots (which, remember, could account for most of Biden’s votes) were fraudulent and thus should not be counted. "

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-supporters-appear-way-more-likely-to-vote-by-mail-than-trumps-that-could-make-for-a-weird-election-night/

This article was published on Aug. 28, 2020.

Anyway, let's all be grateful that this prediction about Trump's reaction to the ballot tallies was way off base and not totally predictable. Because...oh wait a minute.

 

 

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7 hours ago, peterfranks said:

Do you realize you have just confirmed the ridiculousness of your earlier claim?

I'm not sure if this comment was directed at my comment about red shift blue shift. The aseannow.com software seems to think so.

So, based on that supposition, it's not enough to make an assertion unbacked by either reasoning and/or evidence. So please clue me in on what you've got to back up your assertion.

[peterfranks]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I'm not sure if this comment was directed at my comment about red shift blue shift. The aseannow.com software seems to think so.

Maybe look again to whom that reply was

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2 minutes ago, peterfranks said:

Maybe look again to whom that reply was

As I noted, aseannow.com's software seemed to think it was meant for me. I got notified of your response as though it was.

[peterfranks]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

As I noted, aseannow.com's software seemed to think it was meant for me. I got notified of your response as though it was.

So on your screen the name and quote of KanchanaburiGuy are not displayed?

 

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28 minutes ago, peterfranks said:

So on your screen the name and quote of KanchanaburiGuy are not displayed?

 

Did you notice my disclaimer in my original comment about this?

"I'm not sure if this comment was directed at my comment about red shift blue shift. The aseannow.com software seems to think so."

So it was some kind of glitch. 

[ThailandRyan]

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Trumps are now totally delusional.

 

Eric Trump: Republican Party Is Now the Trump Party

 

Following the result in which Hageman took at least 66.3 percent of the vote, to Cheney's 28.9 percent, the former president's second eldest son was asked on conservative channel Newsmax whether the Republican Party was now the "party of Trump."

 

"There's no question. I mean, it's not even the Republican Party. I'd say it's actually the Trump party," he said on Wednesday.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/eric-trump-republicans-gop-newsmax-donald-trump-cheney-1734727

Looks like a new party has been born and the Reupublicans need to refresh the ranks.  All those Republican that want to be Trump Party members need to resign from the republican party and join the new party, just like they do here in Thailand every election year by jumping ship and changing for their own pocket books.  Many see that the gravy train is with Trump apparently and fail to see he is the only one making any money.....

[Thailand]

Oh no, not more bad news!

"18 former top Trump administration officials tell CNN that they believe former President Trump's claim that he had a "standing order" to declassify documents he took from the Oval Office to the White House residence is false"

 

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6 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Oh no, not more bad news!

"18 former top Trump administration officials tell CNN that they believe former President Trump's claim that he had a "standing order" to declassify documents he took from the Oval Office to the White House residence is false"

 

Maybe the "standing order" was top secret?

[KanchanaburiGuy]

49 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As I noted, aseannow.com's software seemed to think it was meant for me. I got notified of your response as though it was.

I wouldn't worry about it. It was just a throwaway troll post, anyway.

[SunnyinBangrak]

14 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Oh no, not more bad news!

"18 former top Trump administration officials tell CNN that they believe former President Trump's claim that he had a "standing order" to declassify documents he took from the Oval Office to the White House residence is false"

 

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

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2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

What don't you understand about the fact that even if the documents were declassified as Trump now claims, it would still be illegal for them to be in his possession?

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

You should have left out 'in this matter'. 'no matter what ' would suit very well though.

[SunnyinBangrak]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about the fact that even if the documents were declassified as Trump now claims, it would still be illegal for them to be in his possession?

I understand fully the relevant precedents in play here. Enough said. This is less than a nothing burger.

[newnative]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The fact that they don't allow pre-counting is the point. Democrats were far more likely to use mail-in ballots than republicans. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/siloed-nbc-wsj-poll-shows-how-gop-dems-hold-widely-n1236958

 

Biden’s Voters Appear Far More Likely To Vote By Mail Than Trump’s. That Could Make For A Weird Election Night.

"If this holds, it would mean votes cast on Election Day would skew heavily toward Trump, and votes cast by mail would skew heavily toward Biden. This has serious implications for … well, democracy. First, Trump could argue the mail ballots (which, remember, could account for most of Biden’s votes) were fraudulent and thus should not be counted. "

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-supporters-appear-way-more-likely-to-vote-by-mail-than-trumps-that-could-make-for-a-weird-election-night/

This article was published on Aug. 28, 2020.

Anyway, let's all be grateful that this prediction about Trump's reaction to the ballot tallies was way off base and not totally predictable. Because...oh wait a minute.

 

 

     Right.  As I said in an earlier post, 58% of Dems voted by mail vs. 32% Republican.   Trump almost carried Biden's home state of Delaware with election day only votes.   This led to the false belief, Election Night, that Trump was winning the election.  Trump, himself, even brazenly declared himself the winner.  Meanwhile, a crucial state, Pennsylvania, had not even begun to count the mail-in ballots.

     I was born in Pennsylvania and I was following the returns Election Night and I remember thinking 'yikes' it doesn't look good for Biden to carry PA--Trump had a big lead.   Disconcerting when broadcasters say something like, with 90% of the precincts reporting Trump has increased his lead in Pennsylvania, a crucial state for Biden.  My goodness.  Can Biden ever pull ahead with just 10% of the precincts left? You do look at the vote totals and tend to forget about the mail-in ballots.  You do get caught up in watching the coverage and the networks want to be the first to declare a winner in this state or that state.  It's gotten a bit out of hand, in my opinion. 

     I think election coverage--and things like when a candidate is allowed to be declared a winner even with some polling places still open and some ballots not counted-- needs to be given a reset.  I believe there's too much emphasis on being able to declare a winner on Election Night before everyone goes to bed.  Everybody wants to see the winner at the victory party and the loser concede.  Going to bed with the victor in doubt is unsettling--unfinished business.   With so much voting now being done by mail, Election Night winners may no longer be the case in close elections.  Now, if the US would just switch to Presidential elections by popular vote things might be easier . . . Who won?  Biden, by 7 million votes.

[ThailandRyan]

45 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

Good god man, so when you spout this nonsense are you looking in the mirror and do you see the Donald smiling back at you while giving you a thumbs up and telling you to keep on believing in the "Big Lie", or are you just a Troll trying to keep this OP ongoing to over 100 pages.

Edited August 19, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[ThailandRyan]

33 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I understand fully the relevant precedents in play here. Enough said. This is less than a nothing burger.

Get back to us when you see the trees have been cleaved in the forest your walking through and your belief system in the Donald has been eviscerated 

[Eric Loh]

36 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I understand fully the relevant precedents in play here. Enough said. This is less than a nothing burger.

Precedents will indict him and hiring a rappers lawyer ain't going to help him in court. 

[heybruce]

47 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

When was that last time?

 

Why was the standing order kept secret?

 

Why is it ok to declassify documents that experienced professionals believe need to be kept secret for the security of the country?

 

How does this change the fact that Trump took documents that weren't his, refused to return all of them, and used his lawyer to lie about no longer having them?

[heybruce]

38 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I understand fully the relevant precedents in play here. Enough said. This is less than a nothing burger.

If you think this is a nothing burger you clearly don't understand.

[Walker88]

50 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

It makes perfect sense to cult members, which is to say people with zero connection to reality.

 

To sane and rational people, especially those of us who worked with TS/SCI clearances, it is utter and complete BS. It is lies. Nothing more.

 

Besides the fact 45 never did any work---too busy golfing, calling into Fox, and doing his silly rallies---this is not how the classification system works.

 

How many times does a Cult 45 member have to be told the reality of how classification works? Unlimited. They lack the intellect to understand.

 

Just enforcing the law 45 himself signed in 2018, he will get 5 years in jail and a felony on his record. If it can be proven he intended to monetize the docs he had zero right to retain---and then lied about having---he faces execution for 'conspiracy to commit espionage'.

 

If he is executed according to the law, on that day I will celebrate the return of rule of law to the United States.

 

[Walker88]

In their endless silliness to obfuscate or simply kiss the bloated, obese backside of their messiah, members of Cult 45 always gloss over reality and fail to provide answers to obvious questions:

 

---re the MaL warrant:  why would an ex-POTUS retain all of those classified docs? He's too lazy to pack 27 boxes himself, so he ordered people to do it (they are equally liable for mishandling classified docs and ALL face years in jail)

 

---Why did 45 lie in June and claim everything was returned, when he knew full well he still had 12 boxes of docs he had zero right to have? What did he intend to do with them? His lies show intent to deceive, so the answer can only be bad

 

---Re Jan 6, what was the purpose of fomenting anger and sending the mob to the Capitol, other than to begin an insurrection? The procedure to take place that day was a mere formality, the election had been decided (45 lost), and all the necessary sign offs had been done. There was ZERO reason for 45 to send the mob---then watch as the Capitol was attacked, 140 LE Officers injured, and the drooling goobers were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"---other than to have the mob do what they did? 45 is guilt of sedition, a capital offense, and SHOULD be executed if found guilty in a court of law. The Cult never provided an explanation of why 45 sent the mob to 'take back the country'. Take back from what? Democracy.

 

---Re the Georgia vote---'please find me 11,780 votes' is obvious election interference, yet another felony. There is no other possible explanation. It was an attempt at vote fraud.

 

---Re NY and his 'business'...it is clear he filed wildly different claims re asset value for tax vs loan/insurance purposes, and there is no legal defense for this. His CFO has plead guilty, and NY law allows the State AG to inflict the ;'corporate death option' on 45's company just based on what the company's CFO swore to in the investigation. The AG can literally seize 45's assets and shut his company down

 

---Why, on manafort's 3rd day on the job as Campaign Manager, did 45 send manafort to Spain to meet with Kilimnik and give Kilimnik detailed campaign data, which russian agent Kilimnik then forwarded to the GRU-run Internet Research Agency in St Pete, who then microtagetted voters in key swing States with lies and made up stories about HRC and Dems? (This was detailed in Mueller and in the repub-produced SSCI 1000-page report on the russia investigation.)

Edited August 19, 2022 by Walker88

[EVENKEEL]

42 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

It makes perfect sense to cult members, which is to say people with zero connection to reality.

 

To sane and rational people, especially those of us who worked with TS/SCI clearances, it is utter and complete BS. It is lies. Nothing more.

 

Besides the fact 45 never did any work---too busy golfing, calling into Fox, and doing his silly rallies---this is not how the classification system works.

 

How many times does a Cult 45 member have to be told the reality of how classification works? Unlimited. They lack the intellect to understand.

 

Just enforcing the law 45 himself signed in 2018, he will get 5 years in jail and a felony on his record. If it can be proven he intended to monetize the docs he had zero right to retain---and then lied about having---he faces execution for 'conspiracy to commit espionage'.

 

If he is executed according to the law, on that day I will celebrate the return of rule of law to the United States.

 

When will you return from fantasyland? 

 

My guess is after the mid terms this will all just slowly and quietly go away.

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

When will you return from fantasyland? 

 

My guess is after the mid terms this will all just slowly and quietly go away.

I am not sure this will quietly go away.  Even if they make Trump a generous offer, he will ensure he splashes and bandies it about.  He never has believed in doing anything quietly even NDI's...look at his dealings with Stormy.

Edited August 19, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

When will you return from fantasyland? 

 

My guess is after the mid terms this will all just slowly and quietly go away.

Thanks for sharing one of your own fantasies.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review.......

Yes, we can just see trump, the voracious reader and stickler for facts and details, buried in documents in the evenings frantically preparing himself for the upcoming meetings in the days ahead.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

Dude, seriously??

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes, we can just see trump, the voracious reader and stickler for facts and details, buried in documents in the evenings frantically preparing himself for the upcoming meetings in the days ahead.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

Dude, seriously??

I had to change my laughing emoji to a trophy.  This post gets funnier the more I think about it.  Trump doing work the involves reading?  Hilarious!

[Walker88]

Very interesting day in court Friday re releasing the affidavit.  Here are some key points:

 

The Chief of CI argued that a full release would 'jeopardize an investigation in it's early stages'.

 

The use of 'early stages' is significant. It also notes a grand jury has been opened to address possible crimes.

 

Another key point was that release 'would possibly jeopardize numerous witnesses'.

 

The use of the plural 'witnesses' says more than one person in 45's sphere is cooperating.

 

Obviously these people would be at risk, since 45 has already released the names of the FBI agents who were involved in the search. That is 30 people now under threat, all because of an evil malicious and vindictive clown, 45, who knows his Cult is violent.

 

A third key point is that although 45 barks about 'releasing the affidavit, his (on) 'crack' defense team chose NOT to argue that in court. Even though they are Z Team lawyers, they are smart enough not to ask for something that will make their client look even worse than he already does.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hopefully this ages better than the last time a large group of ex-admin officials put there name to guaranteeing a narrative. A narrative that was 100% false and the loss of trust and credibility that caused/is still causing.

 

 I believe Trump in this matter. He was the President. He took documents home to review so had a standing order to declassify them. Makes perfect sense. He is looking vindicated once again, they keep shooting and keep missing. Will they ever learn?

Do you really trust and believe a person who told over 20 to over 30 thousand lies in 4 years?

 

If you do you are a prime target for a scammer.

 

Wait a minute, you already have a belief in the master scammer.

[Rimmer]

A personal attack has been removed, also all the bickering and baiting posts that followed.