Biden speech denouncing Trump, 'MAGA ideology' sparks threats, calls for violence

[onthedarkside]

 

 

President Biden’s fiery speech in Philadelphia denouncing former President Donald Trump and what he described as “extreme MAGA ideology” has sparked online calls for violence, including death threats against the president, according to documents obtained by Yahoo News.

 

Biden’s remarks also prompted immediate concerns from senior counterterrorism officials who said they fear that calling Trump supporters extremists would be viewed as a call to arms and would only inflame an already volatile threat environment.

 

“Too much of what’s happening in our country today is not normal,” Biden said Thursday night at Independence Hall, flanked by two U.S. Marines. “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

 

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https://news.yahoo.com/biden-speech-denouncing-trump-maga-ideology-sparks-threats-calls-for-violence-003139767.html

 

 

[ozimoron]

Wasn't somebody in another thread just claiming that the GOP wasn't a violent party? The GOP leaders are just going to pretend that this isn't them but say nothing to denounce the those who make violent threats. Graham, are you listening?

[Credo]

I didn't listen to his entire speech.  I support Biden in general, but I find him hard to listen to.  His speech sure seems to have riled up the Trump base.  Apparently, it's OK for Trump & Co. to say whatever they want about anybody or any group but they get all snowflakey when they are the recipients of what they dish out.

 

[ozimoron]

The arrest of Kellye SoRelle, the Texas attorney associated with the Oath Keepers on Thursday, on conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and other "offenses" potentially marks a new stage of the prosecution of the perpetrators of the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol.

 

In a direct message to Raw Story on Twitter, SoRelle pointed the finger at three high-profile Trump allies: retired Lt. General Flynn, attorney Sidney Powell and retired Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne.

 

Powell filed multiple lawsuits seeking to overturn the election, while Flynn rallied Trump supporters at protests and media appearances, and Byrne covered travel and lodging costs for a wide array of volunteer researchers and analysts seeking to reverse the election.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/kellye-sorelle/

[bendejo]

It is one thing for there to be "buzz" (as they say in show biz) about something or other: it may be completely false, may have a grain of truth and then spun out of control, or go on and build force.  (Anyone in here remember the "Paul is dead" thing?)  All this Qanon, Oathkeepers, JFK Jr ressurected,  etc stuff would fall into this inane buzz category, then it blossomed into festering wounds and lived on in social media blooming into to even more fantastical subplots etc.  The death threats, the bombings, etc makes it real, but it is still part of The Buzz.

When the president of the US addresses it in a speech it is no longer conspiracy theory, no longer just buzz.  I think of this as Biden's "turd in the punchbowl" speech: there it is, look at it, understand it for what it is.  And let's flush the sickening [bleep] down the sewer where it belongs.

This isn't just another "the future of the country is at stake" exclamation, like I have been hearing  all my life (Red scare, water fluoridation, vaccine is a ruse, etc).  It is now real. 

As for Mar a Lago, it's time to drain the swamp.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Credo said:

I didn't listen to his entire speech.  I support Biden in general, but I find him hard to listen to.  His speech sure seems to have riled up the Trump base.  Apparently, it's OK for Trump & Co. to say whatever they want about anybody or any group but they get all snowflakey when they are the recipients of what they dish out.

 

I did listen to the entire speech. I thought at the beginning he was going to declare something important, like sending troops to Ukraine, so I kept watching, then I thought he was going to announce that he'd ordered the mass arrest of Trump and his supporters, so I kept watching. Neither happened and when it turned out to be just another pre election speech it was a total anticlimax.

 

IMO it just goes to show how terrified the Democrats are of the coming elections to roll him out to make a speech like that, but I doubt any minds are going to be changed by his little rant speech against Trump and MAGA. It's certainly, IMO, not going to "unite" people.

Edited September 3, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

President Biden’s fiery speech in Philadelphia denouncing former President Donald Trump and what he described as “extreme MAGA ideology” has sparked online calls for violence, including death threats against the president, according to documents obtained by Yahoo News.

"Fiery"; sure, if one thinks a damp squid is "fiery".

Edited September 3, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Biden’s remarks also prompted immediate concerns from senior counterterrorism officials who said they fear that calling Trump supporters extremists would be viewed as a call to arms and would only inflame an already volatile threat environment.

That I can believe.

Insulting millions of Americans is not a good way to unite the country or sooth angry hearts.

I put the speech in the same basket as Clinton's referral to Trump supporters as deplorables, which did her chances no good at all, IMO.

We'll have to wait a couple of months to see if it had the desirable effect.

[Credo]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That I can believe.

Insulting millions of Americans is not a good way to unite the country or sooth angry hearts.

I put the speech in the same basket as Clinton's referral to Trump supporters as deplorables, which did her chances no good at all, IMO.

We'll have to wait a couple of months to see if it had the desirable effect.

We've listened to these people doxxing innocent people, name calling, threatening and violently entering the Capitol.  That's just the tip of the iceberg.  It' about time it gets pointed out.   He has nothing to lose because they are never going to vote for him or any other democrat.  I doubt they would even vote for a republican he didn't endorse.  

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

He said that he "will not stand by and watch the election be stolen by people who refuse to accept that they lost"

   Is Joe aware that he won the election and is now POTUS ?

He speaks of accepting Democracy just days after Government officials raided his opponents house which may have been politically motivated .

   Joe should concentrate on himself, rather than going on about Trump

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He said that he "will not stand by and watch the election be stolen by people who refuse to accept that they lost"

   Is Joe aware that he won the election and is now POTUS ?

He speaks of accepting Democracy just days after Government officials raided his opponents house which may have been politically motivated .

   Joe should concentrate on himself, rather than going on about Trump

"He speaks of accepting Democracy just days after Government officials raided his opponents house which may have been politically motivated ."

 

How much stuff is Trump allowed to steal before an attempt to reclaim the property is not considered "politically motivated"?  https://aseannow.com/topic/1270839-fbi-found-more-than-11000-government-records-at-trumps-florida-home/

Edited September 3, 2022 by heybruce

[Mac Mickmanus]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"He speaks of accepting Democracy just days after Government officials raided his opponents house which may have been politically motivated ."

 

How much stuff is Trump allowed to steal before an attempt to reclaim the property is not considered "politically motivated"?  https://aseannow.com/topic/1270839-fbi-found-more-than-11000-government-records-at-trumps-florida-home/

Lets and wait and see what the content is first and then it can be decided as to whether a raid was necessary  . 

 

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That I can believe.

Insulting millions of Americans is not a good way to unite the country or sooth angry hearts.

I put the speech in the same basket as Clinton's referral to Trump supporters as deplorables, which did her chances no good at all, IMO.

We'll have to wait a couple of months to see if it had the desirable effect.

 Insulting millions of Americans by attempting a coup, beating up cops, threatening to hang the VP, claiming the election was rigged after 60 court cases and numerous recounts by republicans say otherwise...pissing and moaning about a rigged election for two years but not able to put up a SHRED of evidence.....calling rioters patriots and promising to pardon them with apologies if elected?...marching out of white house with truckloads of documents including clearly marked TOP SECRET .... then lying and stalling and refusing to return them for over a year followed by more pissing and moaning about unfair it all is? 

 

You mean those insults to democracy, the rule of law and basic common sense?  Ok got it.

 

Good for Biden.  Call a spade a spade.

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets and wait and see what the content is first and then it can be decided as to whether a raid was necessary  . 

 

11,000 documents that were government property, that he had over a year to return, and that he lied about having.  How much evidence do you need that the raid was necessary?

[ozimoron]

41 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets and wait and see what the content is first and then it can be decided as to whether a raid was necessary  . 

 

We know the documents were top secret. That's all we need to know and that's all we are going to know. No need to wait before vilifying trump as a traitor.

[ozimoron]

The source of the concern is not merely anecdotal. Over the past half-decade, the number of threat investigations launched by the U.S. Capitol Police has skyrocketed, from 3,939 in 2017 to 9,625 in 2021 — a spike of almost 150 percent, according to numbers provided by the department.

 

Lawmakers who are critical of Trump remain among those most frequently targeted for violence.

 

“People who show that there’s a way to be a conservative and not be part of the MAGA faction are in the targets because that’s the most threatening group,”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3626478-violent-threats-against-lawmakers-have-congress-on-edge/

[Gecko123]

This was one of Biden's best speeches, even better than his inauguration speech. The menace of MAGAism needs to be confronted head-on. Hillary Clinton should never have backed away from her apt description of MAGAism as a "basket of deplorables." Anyone who refuses to recognize that MAGAism is an anti-democratic authoritarian cult is being willfully blind. This should be abundantly obvious, especially after Jan 6th.

 

It is an authoritarian white Christian nationalist party which sees the truth, democratic principles and institutions, and the rule of law as threats. It sees political violence, the threat of political violence, and the politicalization of the judiciary and law enforcement as legitimate means to an end, i.e. total control. MAGA-ism needs to be denounced from all corners, especially from within the Republican party. Stop referring to Trump and his MAGA supporters as Republicans; they're not. Trump is a meglomaniac fascist whose only interests are power and wealth.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets and wait and see what the content is first and then it can be decided as to whether a raid was necessary  . 

 

Umh, he was holding on to classified government documents, which as a former President he had no right to retain, and he was refusing requests to return them. That alone justified the raid.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Umh, he was holding on to classified government documents, which as a former President he had no right to retain, and he was refusing requests to return them. That alone justified the raid.

Legal analyst Glenn Kirschner said Friday that former President Donald Trump might have sold classified documents that were found missing from dozens of empty folders with classified markings that were retrieved by FBI agents who searched his Florida residence last month.

 

"The most reasonable inference is that Donald Trump disposed of those classified documents after unlawfully taking them from the White House," Kirschner said in a video posted on YouTube.

 

There is no compelling argument against arresting Donald Trump promptly."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-may-have-sold-classified-documents-should-arrested-kirschner-1739646

[LarrySR]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That I can believe.

Insulting millions of Americans is not a good way to unite the country or sooth angry hearts.

I put the speech in the same basket as Clinton's referral to Trump supporters as deplorables, which did her chances no good at all, IMO.

We'll have to wait a couple of months to see if it had the desirable effect.

Thanks Joe. It needs to be said, loud and clear.

It's time we stop being all politically correct, coddling these snowflakes and giving consideration to the viewpoints of the MAGA morons.

Edited September 4, 2022 by LarrySR

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

... whose only interests are power and wealth.

As are every politician and most people.

[ozimoron]

President Biden has succeeded in pushing the violent extremists into the open where they can be dealt with by law enforcement.

 

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President Biden’s fiery speech in Philadelphia denouncing former President Donald Trump and what he described as “extreme MAGA ideology” has sparked online calls for violence, including death threats against the president, according to documents obtained by Yahoo News.

 

Biden’s remarks also prompted immediate concerns from senior counterterrorism officials who said they fear that calling Trump supporters extremists would be viewed as a call to arms and would only inflame an already volatile threat environment.

 

By Friday afternoon, posts on forums popular among white supremacists and far-right extremists called for the assassination of Biden, and named Jewish administration officials including Attorney General Merrick Garland, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas as potential targets

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/biden-speech-denouncing-trump-maga-ideology-sparks-threats-calls-for-violence-003139767.html

Edited September 4, 2022 by ozimoron

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

We know the documents were top secret. That's all we need to know and that's all we are going to know. No need to wait before vilifying trump as a traitor.

and yet...... we wait, we wait.

 

How long does it take before they find something, anything to charge him with? Wild guess, but I'm pickin' early November for charges to be laid.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Lets and wait and see what the content is first and then it can be decided as to whether a raid was necessary  . 

 

We’ve already seen.

 

And yes the search was necessary.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

I watched the speech, it was on the nail.

 

MAGA is a threat to US democracy, the right to vote and the rights enshrined in the constitution.

 

It is well past time to avoid facing the threat of fascism MAGA has in store for the US.

 

As for the MAGA objections to his speech.

 

President Biden wasn’t talking to you, he was talking about you.

 

 

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50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and yet...... we wait, we wait.

 

How long does it take before they find something, anything to charge him with? Wild guess, but I'm pickin' early November for charges to be laid.

It took John Durham several years of investigation to finally prosecute someone for a minor offense. Investigations take time.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It took John Durham several years of investigation to finally prosecute someone for a minor offense. Investigations take time.

Didn't someone say something like "justice delayed is justice denied"?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Didn't someone say something like "justice delayed is justice denied"?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied

This is not a TV show we're living in. This is about reality. Not nearly enough time has passed for that observation to apply here.

But if you want to look at an example of Justice delayed, just consider all the failed motions that Trump's lawyers have filed in the past year and a half to slow investigations.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

But if you want to look at an example of Justice delayed, just consider all the failed motions that Trump's lawyers have filed in the past year and a half to slow investigations.

Could you state what all those failed motions were ?

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Didn't someone say something like "justice delayed is justice denied"?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied

It’s Trump who is trying to delay Justice with his nonsense request to appoint a ‘Special Master’

 

So yes, in a sense you are correct , there is an attempt to prevent Justice..