Takeaways from the ruling granting Trump's request for a special master in Mar-a-Lago probe

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Conservatives are always inveighing against liberal justices for inventing all sorts of rights that are not to be found in the Constitution. Well, nowhere in the Constitution is executive privilege mentioned nor anything like it. The doctrine is, in fact, a construal of the Supreme Court.

Edited September 6, 2022 by placeholder

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, seajae said:

Anyone that thinks this is all ok because it is their side of politics doing it has to have a screw loose or be a total idiot, so much for doing the best for their country, dont like trump fine but to allow these idiots to destroy what the US has stood for just to satisfy their political leanings shows just how demented the left really are,

The only political party with a "screw loose" is the Republicans, one for allowing this pudgy, lying and dumb orange idiot to be elected in the first place, and secondly for trying to shield him from what was a perfectly and legally issued request for documents stored at MAL!

 

You mention "so much for doing the best for the country" and the only person and people who have stuffed the US up has to be the GOP, trump and his right wing idiots, along with the various right-wing publications which keep spouting nonsense.

 

I never thought that trump would be capable of driving such a huge a wedge through the two parties, and the US, with his idiocy, but maybe that is the way of the US at the moment, and as for spouting off about laptops and other conspiracy theories, which have long been discarded, best to stay on topic.

 

And just to add to the dire straits of the country, trump has even suggested overturning the election results – – this time just a few days ago, and as I posted elsewhere, he is not alone, as the right wing nut case Marjorie Taylor Green has also said the same.

 

Reminds me of the last line of a song by the rock group "Nice" when they sang, "America is pregnant with promise and anticipation, but is murdered by the hand of the inevitable".

 

The inevitable being trump and his Republican nut jobs.......well most of them anyway.

 

 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suspect that if they delay too long, once the GOP takes the house back in November, the "inquiry" will quietly fade away.

I don't envy whoever has to make the decision, given the potential political implications.

Charge him before the elections and the inevitable accusations of politicking will arise; wait till after the elections and potentially lose the opportunity to disqualify the Donald from running in 2024.

You are assuming that the GOP will take back the Senate in November.

 

What if they don't?

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well said.

I think a more accurate evaluation of seajae's contribution would be "well, ranted."

[riclag]

What led up to a showdown in a federal court in Fla !

Good read especially knowing what became of that day!

https://www.lawfareblog.com/mar-lago-showdown-federal-court

[peterfranks]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, nowhere in the Constitution is executive privilege mentioned nor anything like it.

You seem to be very knowledgable about the US Constitution. Not?

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C3-1-4-3-1/ALDE_00001152/

 

ArtII.S2.C3.1.4.3.1 Overview of Executive Privilege

Article II, Section 2, Clause 3:

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

 

The doctrine of executive privilege defines the authority of the President to withhold documents or information in his possession or in the possession of the executive branch from compulsory process of the legislative or judicial branch of the government. The Constitution does not expressly confer upon the Executive Branch any such privilege, but it has been claimed that the privilege derives from the constitutional provision of separation of powers and from a necessary and proper concept respecting the carrying out of the duties of the presidency imposed by the Constitution.

Edited September 6, 2022 by peterfranks

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19 minutes ago, peterfranks said:

You seem to be very knowledgable about the US Constitution. Not?

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C3-1-4-3-1/ALDE_00001152/

 

ArtII.S2.C3.1.4.3.1 Overview of Executive Privilege

Article II, Section 2, Clause 3:

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

 

The doctrine of executive privilege defines the authority of the President to withhold documents or information in his possession or in the possession of the executive branch from compulsory process of the legislative or judicial branch of the government. The Constitution does not expressly confer upon the Executive Branch any such privilege, but it has been claimed that the privilege derives from the constitutional provision of separation of powers and from a necessary and proper concept respecting the carrying out of the duties of the presidency imposed by the Constitution.

"The Constitution does not expressly confer upon the Executive Branch any such privilege, but it has been claimed that the privilege derives from the constitutional provision of separation of powers and from a necessary and proper concept respecting the carrying out of the duties of the presidency imposed by the Constitution."

What is there in this text that contradicts what I wrote?

[herfiehandbag]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

suspect that if they delay too long, once the GOP takes the house back in November, the "inquiry" will quietly fade away.

I don't envy whoever has to make the decision, given the potential political implications

I imagine that is the game plan!

 

Mind you, if the GOP in its current form takes control many things will fade, including hopes for democracy and the rule of law continuing.

 

If Trump gets back in then it will be game over..

 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

Of course Trump's request for a Special Master was granted. It was a perfectly reasonable request.

 

And, since the DOJ claims they have already been sorting for personal and privileged material, the FIRST THING that should happen is for all those things that have already been sorted out............. be IMMEDIATELY returned to Trump!

 

The Special Master should accept at face value anything the DOJ has already rejected themselves. The added benefit would be to reduce the number of documents the Special Master has to go through, perhaps saving a big chunk of time.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

The Special Master should accept at face value anything the DOJ has already rejected themselves. The added benefit would be to reduce the number of documents the Special Master has to go through, perhaps saving a big chunk of time.

You're missing the priorities of Team DT, which at this moment is ahead.  "Saving time" is not a prerogative.  Delay until after the midterms.  Delay until after 2024 elections.  Since there are midterms every two years there is only one year to do things, then "oh, can't do this prior to an election," like now. 

If the Dems keep Congress this year and they keep the White House in 2024 there is a good chance this will not be settled by the 2028 elections (that is if elections still exist, it may be that GOP governors pick the presidents by then).  If the DT Party takes Congress this year this all goes away, and the US Congress will be all about prosecuting those who dared to stand against the orange treason and Hunter's laptop.  I hope I'm wrong.

 

BTW, these things about procedures and rules are only for those who support democracy and do not apply to the GOP.  If you don't believe me just ask James Comey.  Or Mitch McConnell.  If there is no black-letter law to back it up the GOP will laugh at it, as they have been doing.  Hey there, Just-us Gorsuch!

 

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by bendejo

[KanchanaburiGuy]

15 minutes ago, bendejo said:

You're missing the priorities of Team DT, which at this moment is ahead.  "Saving time" is not a prerogative.  Delay until after the midterms.  Delay until after 2024 elections.  Since there are midterms every two years there is only one year to do things, then "oh, can't do this prior to an election," like now. 

If the Dems keep Congress this year and they keep the White House in 2024 there is a good chance this will not be settled by the 2028 elections (that is if elections still exist, it may be that GOP governors pick the presidents by then).  If the DT Party takes Congress this year this all goes away, and the US Congress will be all about prosecuting those who dared to stand against the orange treason and Hunter's laptop.  I hope I'm wrong.

 

BTW, these things about procedures and rules are only for those who support democracy and do not apply to the GOP.  If you don't believe me just ask James Comey.  Or Mitch McConnell.  If there is no black-letter law to back it up the GOP will laugh at it, as they have been doing.  Hey there, Just-us Gorsuch!

 

 

Sorry, which party controls Congress has nothing to do with anything.

 

This is a DOJ investigation, which is Executive Branch, not Legislative Branch.

[riclag]

“Plaintiff faces an unquantifiable potential harm by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon wrote in a 24-page ruling issued on Labor Day.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/05/special-master-mar-a-lago-documents-00054814

Imop this judge did the right thing , especially with all of the illegal leaks that was given to the media! She was so methodical and descriptive  in her review of time lines.

 

 

“But they also indicate that, on more than one occasion, the Privilege Review Team’s initial screening failed to identify potentially privileged material.” 

My takeaway ,Cant trust the fox (doj/fbi)in the hen house to be honest and do a proper investigation when it comes to Trump imop.

Garland  made a  gigantic political mistake goin after Trump. Their unprecedented action and blunders is evidence,that I hope the Independent voters take notice  imop ! 
 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, peterfranks said:

You seem to be very knowledgable about the US Constitution. Not?

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C3-1-4-3-1/ALDE_00001152/

 

ArtII.S2.C3.1.4.3.1 Overview of Executive Privilege

Article II, Section 2, Clause 3:

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

 

The doctrine of executive privilege defines the authority of the President to withhold documents or information in his possession or in the possession of the executive branch from compulsory process of the legislative or judicial branch of the government. The Constitution does not expressly confer upon the Executive Branch any such privilege, but it has been claimed that the privilege derives from the constitutional provision of separation of powers and from a necessary and proper concept respecting the carrying out of the duties of the presidency imposed by the Constitution.

Well found, but don't expect any admission of being wrong. Apologies are not usually forthcoming when they get caught out.

[heybruce]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suspect that if they delay too long, once the GOP takes the house back in November, the "inquiry" will quietly fade away.

I don't envy whoever has to make the decision, given the potential political implications.

Charge him before the elections and the inevitable accusations of politicking will arise; wait till after the elections and potentially lose the opportunity to disqualify the Donald from running in 2024.

This is not a House investigation.  Do you understand that?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Sorry, which party controls Congress has nothing to do with anything.

 

This is a DOJ investigation, which is Executive Branch, not Legislative Branch.

Tell that to thaibeachlovers.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

“Plaintiff faces an unquantifiable potential harm by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon wrote in a 24-page ruling issued on Labor Day.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/05/special-master-mar-a-lago-documents-00054814

Imop this judge did the right thing , especially with all of the illegal leaks that was given to the media! She was so methodical and descriptive  in her review of time lines.

 

 

“But they also indicate that, on more than one occasion, the Privilege Review Team’s initial screening failed to identify potentially privileged material.” 

My takeaway ,Cant trust the fox (doj/fbi)in the hen house to be honest and do a proper investigation when it comes to Trump imop.

Garland  made a  gigantic political mistake goin after Trump. Their unprecedented action and blunders is evidence,that I hope the Independent voters take notice  imop ! 
 

Agree 100%, especially the bit about them making a gigantic political mistake. IMO their desire to remove Trump from 2024 is so strong they were blind to the inevitable consequences.

I imagine they are trying to find a way to mitigate the unintended consequences, but IMO the longer it goes on without any indictment, the worse it gets for them.

This is probably going to be a large part of the GOP election strategy up to the mid terms, and given to them on a plate.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree 100%, especially the bit about them making a gigantic political mistake. IMO their desire to remove Trump from 2024 is so strong they were blind to the inevitable consequences.

I imagine they are trying to find a way to mitigate the unintended consequences, but IMO the longer it goes on without any indictment, the worse it gets for them.

This is probably going to be a large part of the GOP election strategy up to the mid terms, and given to them on a plate.

The GOP election strategy will be to maintain that ex-Presidents can steal?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

This is not a House investigation.  Do you understand that?

 

Could they not convene an investigation into the activities of the DOJ/ FBI on this situation? Do they not have oversight of the executive?

I guess it depends on whether actual charges have been laid by then, which would remove any ability to change things.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, billd766 said:

You are assuming that the GOP will take back the Senate in November.

 

What if they don't?

I'm not assuming the GOP will take the senate, but I'll be shocked and stunned if they don't take the house.

Edited September 6, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[heybruce]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Could they not convene an investigation into the activities of the DOJ/ FBI on this situation? Do they not have oversight of the executive?

I guess it depends on whether actual charges have been laid by then, which would remove any ability to change things.

They could, but if the investigation reveals that nothing improper was done it would make it clear that it is the Republican Party that seeks to politicize the Justice Department, again.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

They could, but if the investigation reveals that nothing improper was done it would make it clear that it is the Republican Party that seeks to politicize the Justice Department, again.

IMO that could apply to the present investigation into the documents as well. What happens if they don't find anything to indict him for?

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that could apply to the present investigation into the documents as well. What happens if they don't find anything to indict him for?

In view of the fact that the documents don't belong to Trump, he refused to return them and lied about still having them, I don't think that will be a problem.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, heybruce said:

In view of the fact that the documents don't belong to Trump, he refused to return them and lied about still having them, I don't think that will be a problem.

If it was as simple as that, they could have arrested him already. That they have not, and it's taking so long to do so, indicates to me that it's not proving as simple as they thought it would be.

Don't bother talking about how they have to do a "proper" investigation, as either he is guilty of taking documents he should not have, or he isn't. He could be charged on one count, and more charges to come later, but the longer it drags on, IMO the better it becomes for Trump as he can use this to energise his base.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If it was as simple as that, they could have arrested him already. That they have not, and it's taking so long to do so, indicates to me that it's not proving as simple as they thought it would be.

Don't bother talking about how they have to do a "proper" investigation, as either he is guilty of taking documents he should not have, or he isn't. He could be charged on one count, and more charges to come later, but the longer it drags on, IMO the better it becomes for Trump as he can use this to energise his base.

"Don't bother talking about how they have to do a "proper" investigation, as either he is guilty of taking documents he should not have, or he isn't."

 

Ok, I'll accuse you of not understanding how investigations work.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

"Don't bother talking about how they have to do a "proper" investigation, as either he is guilty of taking documents he should not have, or he isn't."

 

Ok, I'll accuse you of not understanding how investigations work.

Perhaps not, but I do understand how politics works, and this has politics written all over it IMO.

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps not, but I do understand how politics works, and this has politics written all over it IMO.

Right; ignore the crime and look for a conspiracy instead. 

 

Can you give one example of law enforcement rushing the investigation of a high-profile individual who did not present a flight risk and was hiding behind an army of lawyers?

 

By the way, his is a very serious crime.

 

"A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property."

"Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation."   https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/

Edited September 7, 2022 by heybruce

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Right; ignore the crime and look for a conspiracy instead. 

 

Can you give one example of law enforcement rushing the investigation of a high-profile individual who did not present a flight risk and was hiding behind an army of lawyers?

How about addressing this thread and not deflecting?

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How about addressing this thread and not deflecting?

This thread is about the investigation of Trump's possession of documents that belong to the government.  Did you forget?

 

Your repetitive questioning of why the investigation has not yet resulted in an arrest is more of a deflection than my explanation and the material you edited out of my post.

Edited September 7, 2022 by heybruce

[seajae]

20 hours ago, xylophone said:

The only political party with a "screw loose" is the Republicans, one for allowing this pudgy, lying and dumb orange idiot to be elected in the first place, and secondly for trying to shield him from what was a perfectly and legally issued request for documents stored at MAL!

 

You mention "so much for doing the best for the country" and the only person and people who have stuffed the US up has to be the GOP, trump and his right wing idiots, along with the various right-wing publications which keep spouting nonsense.

 

I never thought that trump would be capable of driving such a huge a wedge through the two parties, and the US, with his idiocy, but maybe that is the way of the US at the moment, and as for spouting off about laptops and other conspiracy theories, which have long been discarded, best to stay on topic.

 

And just to add to the dire straits of the country, trump has even suggested overturning the election results – – this time just a few days ago, and as I posted elsewhere, he is not alone, as the right wing nut case Marjorie Taylor Green has also said the same.

 

Reminds me of the last line of a song by the rock group "Nice" when they sang, "America is pregnant with promise and anticipation, but is murdered by the hand of the inevitable".

 

The inevitable being trump and his Republican nut jobs.......well most of them anyway.

 

 

thankyou for showing that what I said was correct, you ignored all the <deleted> the dems have caused/done and went straight at trump showing that this is all the idiot dems are capable of, they care nothing for the country just their own political views. Obviously you think that calling parents domestic terrorists is fine, pushing extreme left wing policies is great, having govt departments that lie and use innuendo to attack their opponents is ok, shows the lack of moral fortitude of the left, dont do whats right for the country, just destry any opposition to us and the US. The dems currently are using blinders to ignore the state of the US all because of one man, trump, because he dared to win the 2016 election and all the BS dems tried to make up to remove him didnt work, no wonder the rest of the world is laughing at you and what the dems are doing to the country, it is really becoming a total backwater thanks to the demented thinking of the dems, their extreme left policies and their brain dead supporters

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

“Plaintiff faces an unquantifiable potential harm by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon wrote in a 24-page ruling issued on Labor Day.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/05/special-master-mar-a-lago-documents-00054814

Imop this judge did the right thing , especially with all of the illegal leaks that was given to the media! She was so methodical and descriptive  in her review of time lines.

 

 

“But they also indicate that, on more than one occasion, the Privilege Review Team’s initial screening failed to identify potentially privileged material.” 

My takeaway ,Cant trust the fox (doj/fbi)in the hen house to be honest and do a proper investigation when it comes to Trump imop.

Garland  made a  gigantic political mistake goin after Trump. Their unprecedented action and blunders is evidence,that I hope the Independent voters take notice  imop ! 
 

The nation faces unquantifiable potential harm from the former President steeling TS/SCI documents and leaving them where anybody wandering around Mar a Largo might find them.