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Posted
2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ray, You seem to be getting him and me mixed up again, it was me who posted the quoted bit above  ,it was me, not him 

No confusion, Mac. @Thaibeachlovers was supporting you, so the question could be posed to either of you.

 

Answer no longer necessary as we covered the topic in a previous exchange.

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Posted
28 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'm not asking you to keep writing the same thing over and over again; in fact, I'd prefer it if you didn't. 

 

What I would like you to produce is something that states something along the lines of (example): "It is estimated that, to date, Covid has cost the UK economy £150bn; the war in Ukraine, £125bn and Brexit £50bn" (Source: The Daily Fact).

 

Oh I see .

I thought that it was common knowledge and everyone knew ;

Brexit cost 33 Billion 

Covid cost : 400 Billion

Ukraine cost  : 90 Billion

Google cost : Free 

 

 

 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-uk-gdp-economy-failure-b2246610.html

 

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9309/

 

https://www.cityam.com/russia-ukraine-war-to-deliver-90bn-blow-to-uk-economy/

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Posted
1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Immigration has added to the UK population every year since 1977.

 

Would you expect house building to increase?


Well house building has not increased, I’ve given my thoughts on why not above.

 

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In the chart (net dwellings) below we can see an improvement after your posted cut-off at 2013.

 

Pre 2008 (GFC) there was catch-up happening too but after that there were a few years of limited investment due to the GFC. Net immigration after 1997 rose so quickly that good planning and effective catch-up was impossible. In any event, the whole building process slowed as building permissions become more limited and longer to obtain because suitable available sites decreased in number.  

 

The tail-off at the right is due  to the recent pandemic.

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, RayC said:

Racism is an incorrect word. Xenophobia is more accurate. 

 

If you want some evidence that some Brexiters you need look no further than this thread (go back +/-20 pages, work your way forward and I think that you find examples)

 

".. losing an argument.." ???? Were all the jokes in your box of Christmas crackers that good?

More of this go back 20 pages nonsense.  

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The graph I posted indicates four decades of declining house building.

 

A period that aligns with the same four decades of rampant House price inflation 

 

Four decades of public policy failing to build the houses the nation needs while propping up house price inflation.

 

But along you come to blame it on immigration.

Playing the immigration card…

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Posted
8 minutes ago, RayC said:

So what have we?

 

Covid total cost £410bn (and stabilising)

Brexit £100bn (and rising)

Ukraine £90bn (£45bn to date and hopefully diminishing)

So, bearing in mind no one can see into the future, the arguement that Brexit is/was/has been more damaging than Covid and the war in Ukraine is wrong.

 

It's taken 89 pages of denial for you to finally see that

 

Better late than never.

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Posted
7 hours ago, stevenl said:

As I said, your question doesn't even deserve any effort. Many similar links, 

Just another attempt to make things personal. You gave the information. If there something there to rebut, that's what he should do. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No need to go to those extremes , it is just part of normal discussion , if you don't understand what another person says , then you ask and they explain or clarify .

   That is how normal people converse  , you may be suffering from playing too much link tennis , when you just posts links to other people and they post links back . 

It took several engagements for you to disgorge that information. Why the wait?

Posted
2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Oh I see .

I thought that it was common knowledge and everyone knew ;

Brexit cost 33 Billion 

Covid cost : 400 Billion

Ukraine cost  : 90 Billion

Google cost : Free 

 

 

 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-uk-gdp-economy-failure-b2246610.html

 

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9309/

 

https://www.cityam.com/russia-ukraine-war-to-deliver-90bn-blow-to-uk-economy/

Brexit is costing considerably more than stated in the link you have provided 

 

Put another way, between April and June economic output was £33 billion lower than it would have been had the UK voted to stay in the EU, costing the government around £12 billion in lost tax revenues.In the year to the end of June 2022, Mr Springford estimates the tax loss at around £40 billion.”

 

The BREXIT costs are continuing.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenue

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexit is costing considerably more than stated in the link you have provided 

 

Put another way, between April and June economic output was £33 billion lower than it would have been had the UK voted to stay in the EU, costing the government around £12 billion in lost tax revenues.In the year to the end of June 2022, Mr Springford estimates the tax loss at around £40 billion.”

 

The BREXIT costs are continuing.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenue

Me living in Thailand only gauge things on what my friends and family tell me, most are only moaning about a Pint costs going up to £6 or £7 in pubs. 

I say the govt should cut all VAT and taxes on beer productions.

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Posted
1 hour ago, RayC said:

The Springford report - which 'The Independent' refers to - estimates a contraction of 5.5%/year in GDP. The cost - using Springford's calculations - would be higher than £100bn/year. Those "silly billys" at 'The Independent' got their arithmetic wrong).

They did not completely get it wrong, as it is what is shown in the report (see the graph in my previous post). They just did not notice that in was calculated in the model with constant price level, in order to neutralise the effect of inflation.. So 33b in constant price is broadly equivalent to 100b at current price level.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

The OP is this- "Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?"

The reason as you have pointed out here is that on top of everything the rest rest of te world has had to deal with, the UK has had to deal with Brexit which is why they are "struggling more than other countries"

Debating the size of the damage is a red-herring or a diversion.

 

That's a fair call. 

The thing is people UK need to get on with it, one way or another with the population telling the govt what they want, not the other way around, whatever that is. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, kwilco said:

yes - all the polls in UK are now telling the government that they don't want Brexit.

I have already said about polls the only good one is a pole.

I thought that not wanting brexit is from contrary voters and Tooooo late and it's already done and done with UK can't go back. 

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Posted
35 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Me living in Thailand only gauge things on what my friends and family tell me, most are only moaning about a Pint costs going up to £6 or £7 in pubs. 

I say the govt should cut all VAT and taxes on beer productions.

I had 2 pints yesterday. A real ale at £3.80 and a Guinness at £4.50. Nice pub in a nice area. Where are your friends paying their prices?

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Posted
36 minutes ago, kwilco said:

yes - all the polls in UK are now telling the government that they don't want Brexit.

The polls were also saying that prior to the vote in 2016, Remain were winning in the polls before the vote

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