6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yet, in the US a multifold of 200,000 people will die or have died already from 'taking a (sick) MRNA vaccine' and by doing so become contenders for the Dodo Award. 

 

An award to remember those who either voluntarily lined-up or were coerced to participate in a deadly gen-thereapy experiment and thereby contributing to the WEF's goals by removing their 'useless eater' DNA from the human gene pool.

Cleary you know nothing about the subject of vaccines or the Covid mrna vaccines in particular. So why do you even post? Post a reputable study to back your 200,000 deaths figure. And how exactly did these deaths occur? Do you even have a clue?

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Even the CDC has finally admitted that vaccinated people are at higher risk of infection from new variants of the virus than the unvaccinated population.

 

And yet, some people (thankfully a lot less than before) are still lining up to get jabbed. Will they ever wake up?

 

BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/whats-new/covid-19-variant.html

A complete misrepresentation. What the CDC actually said was that vaccinated people were more likely to get the new variant -- i.e. were less protected -- than the older variants.  If you can't even read a new article correctly, why would you comment about a complicated subject like this?

38 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If I recall correctly, you don't believe that the COVID-19 virus exists, or that the virus is the cause of the disease.

 

However, some of your fellow Covid Deniers believe the virus was human engineered. Do you believe that to be the case?

Some posters on the thread think the 'virus' came from an Wuhan lab. In an accidental leak. Others might believe it was engineered to be pathogenic, and deliberately let loose during the Military games in 2019. Some may think it jumped from an animal (bat or pangolin). Others say it is simply a glorified 'flu'.

 

That is not my position; on any of the above..

 

If anyone has had the jab, they are more likely to get vax-related illnesses than the un-jabbed. Maybe death too. You don't think I'm correct in saying that?

 

 

36 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Some posters on the thread think the 'virus' came from an Wuhan lab. In an accidental leak. Others might believe it was engineered to be pathogenic, and deliberately let loose during the Military games in 2019. Some may think it jumped from an animal (bat or pangolin). Others say it is simply a glorified 'flu'.

 

That is not my position; on any of the above..

 

If anyone has had the jab, they are more likely to get vax-related illnesses than the un-jabbed. Maybe death too. You don't think I'm correct in saying that?

 

 

Do you believe that there is a Covid virus, or that the disease is caused by the virus?

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Yes, but the unvaccinated are at much greater risk from death from new variants than those who are vaccinated.

Yes of course we are.

1 hour ago, jaywalker2 said:

A complete misrepresentation. What the CDC actually said was that vaccinated people were more likely to get the new variant -- i.e. were less protected -- than the older variants.  If you can't even read a new article correctly, why would you comment about a complicated subject like this?

It's not that complicated, jaywalker. What the CDC said was very clear, before they attempted a pathetic "clarification".

 

Here is a study by Cleveland Clinic which concludes the vaxxed are more prone to being infected:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.09.23290893v1.full-text

 

And regardless of what the $ci€nc€ says, empirical observation shows that the vaxxed are catching Covid repeatedly, as confirmed by lots of them on this forum.

 

What can I say? It is truly and utterly laughable.

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It's not that complicated, jaywalker. What the CDC said was very clear, before they attempted a pathetic "clarification".

 

Here is a study by Cleveland Clinic which concludes the vaxxed are more prone to being infected:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.09.23290893v1.full-text

 

And regardless of what the $ci€nc€ says, empirical observation shows that the vaxxed are catching Covid repeatedly, as confirmed by lots of them on this forum.

 

What can I say? It is truly and utterly laughable.

Why bother with fact checking when your mind is already made up

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/cleveland-clinic-study-didnt-find-more-covid-19-vaccine-doses-causes-increased-covid-19-risk-association-alone-doesnt-imply-causation/

I'm so very happy I refused to be given mRNA stuff, and waited till the old style vaccine was available. No problems with that, but I know a guy that thought he was going to die after getting second dose of Pfizer.

20 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

EVERYONE is at the same level of risk. Vaxxed or not.

 

The big difference being, that the vaxxed now have stuff in their bodies that can't possibly do them any good.

 

Go to 'howbadismybatch' to find out how much risk there is. The non-jabbed can sit pretty.

Thank you, I am sitting pretty.

11 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If I recall correctly, you don't believe that the COVID-19 virus exists, or that the virus is the cause of the disease.

 

However, some of your fellow Covid Deniers believe the virus was human engineered. Do you believe that to be the case?

Given the Chinese are not being open on the subject, I doubt the truth will ever come out.

11 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

Cleary you know nothing about the subject of vaccines or the Covid mrna vaccines in particular. So why do you even post? Post a reputable study to back your 200,000 deaths figure. And how exactly did these deaths occur? Do you even have a clue?

Everyone dies sooner or later, so IMO it's not really a problem if old people with underlying diseases die with covid. The problem would be if young people without any underlying disease die or have chronic health problems post vaccination.

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given the Chinese are not being open on the subject, I doubt the truth will ever come out.

The truth is out there for everyone to see.

Some posts contravening our Community Standards have been removed.  

13 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Never mind about the CDC.

 

If anyone has had the jab, they are more likely to get vax-related illnesses than the un-jabbed. Maybe death too.

Gasp! Vaccinated people are more likely to get vaccine related illnesses! Why didn't someone tell me?

14 hours ago, impulse said:

Over a million Americans died with it.  We'll never know how many actually died from it.

 

You do realize that the average age of a "covid death" was greater than the average age of death pre covid.  You do realize that correct?  Also you do realize that some states in the US have now been shown to have overstated the number of covid deaths by up to a third.  You do realize thsi yes?

18 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

You do realize that the average age of a "covid death" was greater than the average age of death pre covid.  You do realize that correct?  Also you do realize that some states in the US have now been shown to have overstated the number of covid deaths by up to a third.  You do realize thsi yes?

Links please.

19 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Not only didn't I know, but I don't believe it.

 

You are certainly a MSM champion.

Thankfully we have you as the one of the few who realize that the 10's of thousands of medical workers and researchers have engaged in the largest conspiracy in history.

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It's not that complicated, jaywalker. What the CDC said was very clear, before they attempted a pathetic "clarification".

 

Here is a study by Cleveland Clinic which concludes the vaxxed are more prone to being infected:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.09.23290893v1.full-text

 

And regardless of what the $ci€nc€ says, empirical observation shows that the vaxxed are catching Covid repeatedly, as confirmed by lots of them on this forum.

 

What can I say? It is truly and utterly laughable.

Once again, you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting the facts.

 

There are 3 levels of protection mentioned in these studies:

 

VACCINATED UP TO DATE: highest level of protection against Covid

 

OUT OF DATE VACCINATION: Lower level of protection

 

UNVACCINATED: No protection. These are the people who fill up the hospitals when a new wave hits. You know, the people dying of Covid while denying they have it.

4 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Thankfully we have you as the one of the few who realize that the 10's of thousands of medical workers and researchers have engaged in the largest conspiracy in history.

I believe you're wrong. The second largest after the climate change conspiracy. The climate change alarmist industry is bigger than the virus hoax industry.

1 hour ago, dhupverg said:

You do realize that the average age of a "covid death" was greater than the average age of death pre covid.  You do realize that correct?  Also you do realize that some states in the US have now been shown to have overstated the number of covid deaths by up to a third.  You do realize thsi yes?

Dream on.

 

Unless you have a link, this is just one of your fantasies.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Everyone dies sooner or later, so IMO it's not really a problem if old people with underlying diseases die with covid. The problem would be if young people without any underlying disease die or have chronic health problems post vaccination.

So you are one of the "let Granny die so the bars can stay open" types.

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes it does.

You know that the unvaccinated have a higher risk of contracting Covid than the vaccinated.

 

You just can't bring yourself to admit it.

Breaking

 

Phillip J. Buckhaults, Ph.D., the researcher whose words were widely misconstrued here and elsewhere to suggest Pfizer's vaccine was highly dangerous, yesterday made a public appeal for everyone to chill.

 

To those of you following my comments on DNA in the [Pfizer] mRNA vaccines.

 

1. The DNA is real, however the risk of this DNA is theoretical. There is no need to panic about past vaccination.

 

2. My comments were directed toward regulators and industry experts, they were not intended for the general public. The unanticipated wide distribution outside the intended target audience has caused unintended and totally inappropriate anxiety in the general public. Everyone calm down. Please.

 

Full message here.

45 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You know that the unvaccinated have a higher risk of contracting Covid than the vaccinated.

You just can't bring yourself to admit it.

When you are unvaccinated, contract COVID and recover from it (as the majority of people do) you have natural immunity, which is far superior than vaccine-induced immunity.  

Knowing that the vaccinated can still contract COVID as well as transmit it, and that the jabs harmed their immune-system making them more vulnerable for not only covid but for any infection, the choice seems pretty obvious (not even taking into account the short, middle-term and long-term vaccine adverse effects). 

 

12 minutes ago, rabas said:

Breaking

 

Phillip J. Buckhaults, Ph.D., the researcher whose words were widely misconstrued here and elsewhere to suggest Pfizer's vaccine was highly dangerous, yesterday made a public appeal for everyone to chill.

 

To those of you following my comments on DNA in the [Pfizer] mRNA vaccines.

 

1. The DNA is real, however the risk of this DNA is theoretical. There is no need to panic about past vaccination.

 

2. My comments were directed toward regulators and industry experts, they were not intended for the general public. The unanticipated wide distribution outside the intended target audience has caused unintended and totally inappropriate anxiety in the general public. Everyone calm down. Please.

 

Full message here.

A clear case of back-pedalling under pressure.

Buckhaults said “there is a very real hazard” that these fragments of foreign DNA can insert themselves into a person’s own genome and become a “permanent fixture of the cell.”

He also said it’s a plausible mechanism for what might be “causing some of the rare but serious side effects like death from cardiac arrest” in people following mRNA vaccination. 

 

And now he tells us in #1 that the risk is 'hypothetical' ...  

And in #4 of his 6-point statement he writes that "With all the extra attention this issue has gotten last week I am pretty confident that future batches of mRNA vaccines will not have detectable DNA in it."

Yep, future batches, NOT the ones that have already been injected in billions of people or the ones that they are currently rolling out. 

And he is 'pretty confident' that this grave error will not happen anymore.  You have his word - for what its worth...

 

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

When you are unvaccinated, contract COVID and recover from it (as the majority of people do) you have natural immunity, which is far superior than vaccine-induced immunity.  

Knowing that the vaccinated can still contract COVID as well as transmit it, and that the jabs harmed their immune-system making them more vulnerable for not only covid but for any infection, the choice seems pretty obvious (not even taking into account the short, middle-term and long-term vaccine adverse effects). 

 

Let me give you a hint.

 

It may give you a pleasant feeling to spew a Gish Gallop of assertions, but if you want to convince anyone, you need to back up each assertion with a link.

 

Having said that, your assertions are absurd.

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Wrong.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm

The CDC is wrong.

 

And if you are trying to get the truth about covid; stay away from the CDC and WHO web sites.

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Once again, you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting the facts.

 

There are 3 levels of protection mentioned in these studies:

 

VACCINATED UP TO DATE: highest level of protection against Covid

 

OUT OF DATE VACCINATION: Lower level of protection

 

UNVACCINATED: No protection. These are the people who fill up the hospitals when a new wave hits. You know, the people dying of Covid while denying they have it.

There are only two metrics mentioned in the study, up-to-date and not up-to-date.

 

 

 

You made up a third category:

"UNVACCINATED: No protection."

I think you mean:

UNVACCINATED: Natural immunity. Never sick, in perfect health, but not generating a dime for the pharmaceutical industrial complex.

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

A clear case of back-pedalling under pressure.

Buckhaults said “there is a very real hazard” that these fragments of foreign DNA can insert themselves into a person’s own genome and become a “permanent fixture of the cell.”

He also said it’s a plausible mechanism for what might be “causing some of the rare but serious side effects like death from cardiac arrest” in people following mRNA vaccination. 

 

And now he tells us in #1 that the risk is 'hypothetical' ...  

And in #4 of his 6-point statement he writes that "With all the extra attention this issue has gotten last week I am pretty confident that future batches of mRNA vaccines will not have detectable DNA in it."

Yep, future batches, NOT the ones that have already been injected in billions of people or the ones that they are currently rolling out. 

And he is 'pretty confident' that this grave error will not happen anymore.  You have his word - for what its worth...

 

By now, you should have learned the pitfalls of relying on a single study, or analysis by a single scientist.

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

There are only two metrics mentioned in the study, up-to-date and not up-to-date.

 

 

 

You made up a third category:

"UNVACCINATED: No protection."

I think you mean:

UNVACCINATED: Natural immunity. Never sick, in perfect health, but not generating a dime for the pharmaceutical industrial complex.

Thank you for giving me an excuse to post data concerning vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization and death.

 

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf