Israel losing global support over Gaza bombing, Biden says

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You can't change the history books. This war started because of the Hamas led attack on 7th Oct.

 

You can't change the history books. This war started in 1948

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

You can't change the history books. This war started in 1948

There you go again.

You could just as easily say the seeds of this conflict started in the Bronze Age. Pick a date to suit your purpose.

But back to reality: THIS WAR started October 7 and that's a fact. 

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Israel was just living peacefully, doing nothing at all that could be described as a crime against humanity and then, bam, Hamas attacked out of the blue. Nobody saw it coming.

Your post is dripping with hatred of "Zionists" 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You can't change the history books. This war started in 1948

No I cannot change the history books, hence my post:

 

This incursion fell on the day of Sukkot, a Sabbath day. The attacks initiated the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, almost exactly 50 years after Operation Badr and the greater Yom Kippur War of 6 October 1973. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups named the attacks Operation Al-Aqsa Flood (or Deluge; Arabic: عملية طوفان الأقصى, romanized: ʿamaliyyat ṭūfān al-ʾAqṣā),[1] while in Israel they are referred to as Black Saturday (Hebrew: השבת השחורה)[18] or the Simchat Torah Massacre (הטבח בשמחת תורה),[19] and internationally as the 7 October attack.[20][21][22]

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No I cannot change the history books, hence my post:

 

This incursion fell on the day of Sukkot, a Sabbath day. The attacks initiated the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, almost exactly 50 years after Operation Badr and the greater Yom Kippur War of 6 October 1973. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups named the attacks Operation Al-Aqsa Flood (or Deluge; Arabic: عملية طوفان الأقصى, romanized: ʿamaliyyat ṭūfān al-ʾAqṣā),[1] while in Israel they are referred to as Black Saturday (Hebrew: השבת השחורה)[18] or the Simchat Torah Massacre (הטבח בשמחת תורה),[19] and internationally as the 7 October attack.[20][21][22]

 

Clearly it didn't start on October 7 and clearly there were reasons for it to occur.

 

But a report from the New York Times claimed Israel obtained Hamas’ plan for the attack more than a year in advance.

 

The report says Israeli officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, and deemed it too complex for the group to carry out. Other outlets, including Israeli newspaper Haaretz, have also reported the claim.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-intelligence-intl/index.html

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There you go again.

You could just as easily say the seeds of this conflict started in the Bronze Age. Pick a date to suit your purpose.

But back to reality: THIS WAR started October 7 and that's a fact. 

 

Israeli propaganda. Israeli apologists will say anything to deny that this is a continuation of the war that started in 1948.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Clearly it didn't start on October 7 and clearly there were reasons for it to occur.

 

But a report from the New York Times claimed Israel obtained Hamas’ plan for the attack more than a year in advance.

 

The report says Israeli officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, and deemed it too complex for the group to carry out. Other outlets, including Israeli newspaper Haaretz, have also reported the claim.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-intelligence-intl/index.html

Wrong, clearly it did:

 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No I cannot change the history books, hence my post:

 

This incursion fell on the day of Sukkot, a Sabbath day. The attacks initiated the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, almost exactly 50 years after Operation Badr and the greater Yom Kippur War of 6 October 1973. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups named the attacks Operation Al-Aqsa Flood (or Deluge; Arabic: عملية طوفان الأقصى, romanized: ʿamaliyyat ṭūfān al-ʾAqṣā),[1] while in Israel they are referred to as Black Saturday (Hebrew: השבת השחורה)[18] or the Simchat Torah Massacre (הטבח בשמחת תורה),[19] and internationally as the 7 October attack.[20][21][22]

 

Israel has declared a “state of war” as its army continues to face off against Palestinian fighters in several areas across southern Israel

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/8/intense-battles-as-israel-declares-state-of-war

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Israeli propaganda. Israeli apologists will say anything to deny that this is a continuation of the war that started in 1948.

This war is against Hamas, Hamas was not around in 1948, stop trolling

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

This war is against Hamas, Hamas was not around in 1948, stop trolling

 

The war is against all Palestinians. Clearly you need educating. Here you go.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

The war is against all Palestinians. Clearly you need educating. Here you go.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396

 

 

 

 

Geez Louise dude!

Educating? 
Yes -- learn the definitions of CONFLICT and WAR. Not the same.

 

Next 

...

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

The war is against all Palestinians. Clearly you need educating. Here you go.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396

 

 

 

 

More trolling, this is a war against Hamas

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Geez Louise dude!

Educating? 
Yes -- learn the definitions of CONFLICT and WAR. Not the same.

 

Next 

...

 

semantic games. Did the "conflict" contribute to the attack?

[Jingthing]

If you're talking about the CONFLICT rather than THIS WAR, that is another matter.

 

At the heart of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, anthropology matters as much as history | The Hill

 

Who is indigenous to Israel and Palestine: Jews or Arabs? The answer depends on how we interpret history. Radically diverse starting points invoked by both parties have led to the terrible conflict we are witnessing.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

semantic games.

That's not a rebuttal. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

If you're talking about the CONFLICT rather than THIS WAR, that is another matter.

 

Opinion: At the heart of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, anthropology matters as much as history (msn.com)

 

Opinionative tripe from an Israeli on a far right website.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Opinionative tripe from an Israeli on a far right website.

As usual, you're WRONG, but that was a convenient way for you to avoid the content of that.

You don't post here in good faith and you've proven that yet again.

 

The Hill - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com)

 

The authors are Israelis, you say?

I don't know their nationalities or perhaps you saw a Jewish name on one and ran with it. 

 

Alma Gottlieb is a cultural anthropologist and who has published nine books about Africa, religion, child-rearing and anthropology, and professor emerita of anthropology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Ron Duncan Hart is director of the Institute for Tolerance Studies, a cultural anthropologist, former dean of academic affairs and author of “Jews and the Arab World.”

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Opinionative tripe from an Israeli on a far right website.

Its an article from "The Hill"

 

Far right????

 

You've lost the plot

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its an article from "The Hill"

 

Far right????

 

You've lost the plot

Lost the plot?

 

That's old news, ha ha. 

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You can't change the history books. This war started in 1948

 

@ozimoron

 

If one talks about the conflict, then earlier dates could be picked, no problem.

These topics are about current events.

You do not accept that premise, and try to make these discussions into something they weren't supposed to be.

This ain't a history class. And even if it were, you'd be ill fit even as a teacher's-assistant.

[scottiejohn]

45 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

But back to reality: THIS WAR started October 7 and that's a fact. 

100% correct!

Previous wars started on their start dates! 

[Morch]

40 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Clearly it didn't start on October 7 and clearly there were reasons for it to occur.

 

But a report from the New York Times claimed Israel obtained Hamas’ plan for the attack more than a year in advance.

 

The report says Israeli officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, and deemed it too complex for the group to carry out. Other outlets, including Israeli newspaper Haaretz, have also reported the claim.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-intelligence-intl/index.html

 

@ozimoron

 

Clearly maybe in your mind, which seems to be a very confusing place.

 

As for the report - was discussed (as usual you do not read topics....). What was your point, exactly? That Israeli Intelligence Services got it wrong? That leaders got it wrong? Yeah, and?

[Morch]

40 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Israeli propaganda. Israeli apologists will say anything to deny that this is a continuation of the war that started in 1948.

 

@ozimoron

 

Try reading posts before misrepresenting what they say.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

100% correct!

Previous wars started on their start dates! 

Yeah remember the 1967 Arab–Israeli war?

That didn't start in 1867.

I do get the game the RIver to the Sea crew is playing.

It's about October 7 denialism, a modern cousin of holocaust denial. 

[Morch]

38 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The war is against all Palestinians. Clearly you need educating. Here you go.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396

 

 

 

 

 

@ozimoron

 

Sure, that's why you see massive bombings in the West Bank, refugee camps Lebanon and Syria, also Israel must be on the bring on invading Jordan (70% Palestinian population). As usual, you get excited, you put up some wide-brush nonsense statement, but not being the type to ever own up, you dig in. 

[Neeranam]

50 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Your post is dripping with hatred of "Zionists" 

I can't see any hatred in his post.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah remember the 1967 Arab–Israeli war?

That didn't start in 1867.

I do get the game the RIver to the Sea crew is playing.

It's about October 7 denialism, a modern cousin of holocaust denial. 

 

Said it on another post - the driving force is to 'put it in context', to 'understand' it, to normalize it.

If it's just another attack in a chain of attacks it doesn't need to be addressed in a different manner.

It's about changing the narrative.

 

[scottiejohn]

45 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Israeli propaganda. Israeli apologists will say anything to deny that this is a continuation of the war that started in 1948.

Why do you insist that this "war" started in 1948?

Why not pick another date such as the dates of the birth of Moses, Jesus or the Prophet Mohammad?

 

[Neeranam]

 

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah remember the 1967 Arab–Israeli war?

That didn't start in 1867.

I do get the game the RIver to the Sea crew is playing.

It's about October 7 denialism, a modern cousin of holocaust denial. 

Oct 7 happened but it didn't start this war. Stop the childish nonsense.

 

This was in AUGUST, 2022 by Human Rights Watch.

 

Israeli authorities doubled down on their severe repression of Palestinians. Israeli authorities’ practices, undertaken as part of a policy to maintain the domination of Jewish Israelis over Palestinians, amount to the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution.   

 

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine-0

[Neeranam]

48 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

semantic games. Did the "conflict" contribute to the attack?

 

This contributed to the attack. 

Years of oppression and persecution.

 

Across these areas and in most aspects of life, Israeli authorities methodically privilege Jewish Israelis and discriminate against Palestinians. Laws, policies, and statements by leading Israeli officials make plain that the objective of maintaining Jewish Israeli control over demographics, political power, and land has long guided government policy.

 

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

Oct 7 happened but it didn't start this war. Stop the childish nonsense.

 

This was in AUGUST, 2022 by Human Rights Watch.

 

Israeli authorities doubled down on their severe repression of Palestinians. Israeli authorities’ practices, undertaken as part of a policy to maintain the domination of Jewish Israelis over Palestinians, amount to the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution.   

 

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine-0

Lets not start another history lesson eh, especially when Hamas fired over 1,100 rockets into Israel in August, war crimes each one of them. 

 

This war started on Oct 7th, these topics are about that.

 

"Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War. Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."