The Children of Gaza = More than 7000 Killed.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unlike some, I don't spend my entire life on here so I can answer fatuous questions.

You are clearly not someone I want to talk to or listen to.  Your anti-semitism is very clear, and your refusal to answer a straight question speaks volumes about who and what you are.  If we were in a public place I would tell you to <deleted> off - and make you if you refused.  But here there is only one option.  BLOCKED. 

[Jeff the Chef]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You are referencing monies which are mostly allocated for Buying American. That is, they can be spent in the USA buying from USA firms. Like a subsidy. It's not same same, other than in your mind.

So are you saying that the US economy does/doesn't benefit from these monies?

[Rimmer]

please try to stay on topic

 

The Children of Gaza = More than 7000 Killed.

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So are you saying that the US economy does/doesn't benefit from these monies?

 

No.

And this have little to do with what was commented on earlier.

[rabas]

53 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Looks like a good business deal to me, $3.3 billion to the Israeli military and $121 million to help the people of Gaza in humanitarian assistants.

 

Today in El-Arish, Egypt, Administrator Samantha Power announced that the United States, through USAID, will provide more than $21 million in additional humanitarian assistance for the people of Gaza and the West Bank affected by the ongoing conflict, which has left approximately 2.2 million people in need of humanitarian assistance. Today’s announcement builds on the $100 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance announced by President Biden on October 18. 

 

https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/dec-05-2023-united-states-announces-additional-humanitarian-assistance-palestinian-people

 

The $3 billion is not related to the aid in your link. Soundbite?

 

You may not be aware that Israel's 2022 GDP was $522 billion (half a trillion) and they are a major US partner in many areas of science and technology including manufacture of Intel CPUs, soon Nvidia GPUs, medicine, etc. All beneficial to the US economy. Israel in fact is 29th globally and ahead of Thailand. 

 

You might ask where would we be now if Palestinians and Arab nations had used the last 50 years similarly developing themselves and seeking cooperation. They surely have the oil revenue to do so. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Looks like a good business deal to me, $3.3 billion to the Israeli military and $121 million to help the people of Gaza in humanitarian assistants.

 

Today in El-Arish, Egypt, Administrator Samantha Power announced that the United States, through USAID, will provide more than $21 million in additional humanitarian assistance for the people of Gaza and the West Bank affected by the ongoing conflict, which has left approximately 2.2 million people in need of humanitarian assistance. Today’s announcement builds on the $100 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance announced by President Biden on October 18. 

 

https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/dec-05-2023-united-states-announces-additional-humanitarian-assistance-palestinian-people

Looks like a good business deal to me, $3.3 billion to the Israeli military and $121 million to help the people of Gaza in humanitarian assistants.

 

How? I guess if you believe in conspiracy theories you may have a point.

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Yes, Netanyahu was caught with his pants down and sleeping on the job, under his watch he has allowed millions of dollars

transfers to the Hamas and their cohorts, and allowing many of the Hamas leadership roam free, all in an efforts

to keep the Hamas and the Iranians happy, alas, Hamas took it as a sign of weakness and did what they did on the

7th of October,

so now,Netanyahu is on a crusade to show Hamas, Hezbollah, his people and the rest of the world that he can fix things,

so we wait and see...

 

He wasn't sleeping, he was actively aiding and abetting the transfer of funds. Israeli secret service escorted Qatari officials to meet and give Hamas operatives large amounts of cash for many years. Nothing sleepy or negligent about that

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So are you saying that the US economy does/doesn't benefit from these monies?

The pursuit of oil has been a central aspect of U.S. involvement in the Middle East, American foreign policy prioritizes securing access to oil resources over promoting democratic governance or respecting the autonomy of nations in the region. This focus on resource interests has contributed to a cycle of conflict, as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Really, $3.3 billion a year + another $14.3 billion for this conflict, if it eventually gets approved by Congress has no benefit to the US economy?

 

You posted

 

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So are you saying that the US economy does/doesn't benefit from these monies?

 

The answer was No. As in, it's not what I'm saying.

 

This has nothing much to do with the topic or even the preceding comments.

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

He wasn't sleeping, he was actively aiding and abetting the transfer of funds. Israeli secret service escorted Qatari officials to meet and give Hamas operatives large amounts of cash for many years. Nothing sleepy or negligent about that

Qatar payments facilitated by Israel only started in 2018, so 5 years, the actual cash payments that you are referring to only lasted till 2021. The US was aware of it before it started and left it up to Israel to make the decision. Qatar is still making these payments after the 7th Oct without Netanyahu's help.

 

"An Israeli official told CNN that any suggestion that Netanyahu wanted to maintain a “moderately weakened” Hamas was “utterly false” and that he had acted to weaken Hamas “significantly.”

“He led three powerful military operations against Hamas which killed thousands of terrorists and senior Hamas commanders,” the official said. “Successive Israeli governments before, during and after Netanyahu’s governments enabled money to go to Gaza. Not in order to strengthen Hamas but to prevent a humanitarian crisis by supporting critical infrastructure, including water and sewage systems to prevent the spread of disease and enable daily life.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

 

Qatar was funding Hamas by itself for years before that.

Edited December 24, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Morch]

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

He wasn't sleeping, he was actively aiding and abetting the transfer of funds. Israeli secret service escorted Qatari officials to meet and give Hamas operatives large amounts of cash for many years. Nothing sleepy or negligent about that

 

And while this is very very bad, he wouldn't be the first leader to miscalculate, make stupid decisions, stick with daft policies and so on.

What you are trying to do is to turn this into the main dish, thereby shifting focus from Hamas's actions and agenda.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Qatar payments only started in 2018, so 5 years, the actual cash payments that you are referring to only lasted till 2021. The US was aware of it before it started and left it up to Israel to make the decision. Qatar is still making these payments after the 7th Oct without Netanyahu's help.

 

"An Israeli official told CNN that any suggestion that Netanyahu wanted to maintain a “moderately weakened” Hamas was “utterly false” and that he had acted to weaken Hamas “significantly.”

“He led three powerful military operations against Hamas which killed thousands of terrorists and senior Hamas commanders,” the official said. “Successive Israeli governments before, during and after Netanyahu’s governments enabled money to go to Gaza. Not in order to strengthen Hamas but to prevent a humanitarian crisis by supporting critical infrastructure, including water and sewage systems to prevent the spread of disease and enable daily life.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

 

An Israeli official said that. How credible is that? The evidence I posted says otherwise. His own military tried to stop him.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

An Israeli official said that. How credible is that? The evidence I posted says otherwise. His own military tried to stop him.

So all these military operations that killed thousands of terrorists and senior Hamas commanders didn't happen?

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

So all these military operations that killed thousands of terrorists and senior Hamas commanders didn't happen?

 

huh?

[ozimoron]

Major General Amos Gilad, a former senior Israeli Defense Ministry official, told CNN the plan was backed by the prime minister, but not by the Israeli intelligence community. There was also some belief that it would “weaken Palestinian sovereignty,” he said. There was also an illusion, he added, that “if you fed them (Hamas) with money, they would be tamed.”

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

[Bkk Brian]

Why odd? Aid money given for the purpose of helping the Gazan civilians odd? Military assistance to Israel to defend itself against terrorists odd?

[Morch]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Major General Amos Gilad, a former senior Israeli Defense Ministry official, told CNN the plan was backed by the prime minister, but not by the Israeli intelligence community. There was also some belief that it would “weaken Palestinian sovereignty,” he said. There was also an illusion, he added, that “if you fed them (Hamas) with money, they would be tamed.”

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

 

@ozimoron

 

Oh, so Israeli sources are only reliable when they say what you want to hear....gotcha.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

huh?

Huh what?

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Qatar payments facilitated by Israel only started in 2018, so 5 years, the actual cash payments that you are referring to only lasted till 2021. The US was aware of it before it started and left it up to Israel to make the decision. Qatar is still making these payments after the 7th Oct without Netanyahu's help.

 

"An Israeli official told CNN that any suggestion that Netanyahu wanted to maintain a “moderately weakened” Hamas was “utterly false” and that he had acted to weaken Hamas “significantly.”

“He led three powerful military operations against Hamas which killed thousands of terrorists and senior Hamas commanders,” the official said. “Successive Israeli governments before, during and after Netanyahu’s governments enabled money to go to Gaza. Not in order to strengthen Hamas but to prevent a humanitarian crisis by supporting critical infrastructure, including water and sewage systems to prevent the spread of disease and enable daily life.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

 

Qatar was funding Hamas by itself for years before that.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

You are clearly not someone I want to talk to or listen to.  Your anti-semitism is very clear, and your refusal to answer a straight question speaks volumes about who and what you are.  If we were in a public place I would tell you to <deleted> off - and make you if you refused.  But here there is only one option.  BLOCKED. 

Bye bye. I wasn't going to reply to you any more anyway.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Huh what?

 

Utterly irrelevant to giving financial aid to Hamas for years.  Netanyahu's goal was to support Hamas sufficiently for it to be a credible opposition to the PA. He enabled them to build sophisticated tunnels which enabled them to carry out the Oct 7th terrorist attack. His own intelligence tried vainly to stop him. N was driven by racial animus and his political goals and general sociopathic narcissism.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Utterly irrelevant to giving financial aid to Hamas for years.  Netanyahu's goal was to support Hamas sufficiently for it to be a credible opposition to the PA. He enabled them to build sophisticated tunnels which enabled them to carry out the Oct 7th terrorist attack. His own intelligence tried vainly to stop him. N was driven by racial animus and his political goals and general sociopathic narcissism.

Jackanory time again.  Out go the links and in comes the hyperbole

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Utterly irrelevant to giving financial aid to Hamas for years.  Netanyahu's goal was to support Hamas sufficiently for it to be a credible opposition to the PA. He enabled them to build sophisticated tunnels which enabled them to carry out the Oct 7th terrorist attack. His own intelligence tried vainly to stop him. N was driven by racial animus and his political goals and general sociopathic narcissism.

 

@ozimoron

 

How does racial animus figure into supporting one Arab/Palestinian faction over the other?

You're just piling words to cover for them holes in your arguments.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Jackanory time again.  Out go the links and in comes the hyperbole

 

The links have been posted. The Israeli press said the same thing I did. Apologize for N all you like, he is still a genocidal maniac

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The links have been posted. The Israeli press said the same thing I did. Apologize for N all you like, he is still a genocidal maniac

I have apologized for nobody but I have added to the discussion on Qatar money with facts. I also leave terms like genocidal maniacs for the terrorists because again that is factual.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I have apologized for nobody but I have added to the discussion on Qatar money with facts. I also leave terms like genocidal maniacs for the terrorists because again that is factual.

 

Do you know what a fact even is? It appears not.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Do you know what a fact even is? It appears not.

Yes

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

When did "genocidal maniac" become a factual statement?

I suggest you tell me first since you used it first?

 

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The links have been posted. The Israeli press said the same thing I did. Apologize for N all you like, he is still a genocidal maniac

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

And while this is very very bad, he wouldn't be the first leader to miscalculate, make stupid decisions, stick with daft policies and so on.

What you are trying to do is to turn this into the main dish, thereby shifting focus from Hamas's actions and agenda.

Yes cynical deflection that smells of another variation of October 7 denialism.

Edited December 24, 2023 by Jingthing

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes cynical deflection that smells of another variation October 7 denialism.

 

Probably see another surge in that this evening or tomorrow morning.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes cynical deflection that smells of another variation October 7 denialism.

 

No person here denies any aspect of October 7, including that it was an abhorrent terror attack, Get over yourself and your attacks on anyone who criticizes Israel.