Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You can lie all you want; your response only shows your lack of understanding of what I posted. 

 

Would you care to enlighten me on what the hell you're talking about?

 

[Jeff the Chef]

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

  

 

Nice quote Bkk Brian, ever considered answering the question posed?

 

Who is South Africa bringing proceedings against?

[Morch]

58 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Nor will they ignore the deaths of Palestinians who aren't Hamas. Do you understand yet?

 

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I gather you didn't comprehend my question or are you suggesting that any Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF were being used as human shields?

 

@ozimoron

 

You don't get it.

 

South Africa's claim is that Israel is doing something very very bad, very very wrong, and out of line with how countries are supposed to conduct wars. This can be approached from two angles - intent and practice. As far as I can understand, the case for 'intent' is very weak, and the the case for 'practice' is relatively easy to do away with on legal and factual grounds.

 

If all that can be 'proven' is that Israel is just 'regular bad', rather than very very bad - the case falls. So as per your 'questions' above - if there is no intent element (and there is none), then what it comes down to is how many on the casualty lists were (a) not Hamas, (b) not used as 'human shields' by Hamas, (c) acceptable collateral damage.

 

That's where facts and reality kick in, rather than your imagination and bias.

 

 

 

[Morch]

49 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

So they will either not charge or will acquit war crimes against other Palestinians because .... Hamas? Is that what you believe?

 

@ozimoron

 

Hamas's conduct will certainly be a factor in the ruling.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Who is South Africa bringing proceedings against?

 

   They are a Country in the South of Africa , located on the Cape Horn 

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

They well might but that won't stop the injunction while the objection is heard.

 

@ozimoron

 

You assume that there will be such, without providing any reasoning.

[Jeff the Chef]

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't know, do you think the judge will be looking at that and making his own determination?

For your information, the Judge is not singular, it is the 15 Judges of the International Court of Justice, plus one from both sides, so there is a possibility of 17 Judges.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

For your information, the Judge is not singular, it is the 15 Judges of the International Court of Justice, plus one from both sides, so there is a possibility of 17 Judges.

Yes I know its all here

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/british-lawyer-to-defend-israel-from-gaza-genocide-claims-in-the-hague/

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They are a Country in the South of Africa , located on the Cape Horn 

Oh, how I laughed. 

Can't bring yourself to answer the question, shame on you.

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That will probably make as much difference to Israel as it did to Russia when it appealed the provisional decision on the Ukraine case

 

Much world opinion coalesced against Russia and made it a pariah nation. As I said before, nations who recognise the ICJ will be pressured into acting by such an injunction. It will just cement Israel's status as a recalcitrant nation in world opinion

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Nice quote Bkk Brian, ever considered answering the question posed?

 

Who is South Africa bringing proceedings against?

Why answer a trolling question? If you have to ask me that then you can go back to page one OP. Not here to play games

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Much world opinion coalesced against Russia and made it a pariah nation. As I said before, nations who recognise the ICJ will be pressured into acting by such an injunction. It will just cement Israel's status as a recalcitrant nation in world opinion

That was explained in one of the links I provided, obviously you did not read it.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

That was explained in one of the links I provided, obviously you did not read it.

 

I simply disagreed with your reasoning.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

I simply disagreed with your reasoning.

You always do......lol no need to tell me

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Oh, how I laughed. 

Can't bring yourself to answer the question, shame on you.

 

   I did answer the same  question earlier , could you scroll back and see it ?

Could you also retract the "shame" that you bestowed on me ?

Thanks 

[Bkk Brian]

The dog ate my homework type excuse from the UN........... Lets hope the UN court fare better in this case

 

UN claims antisemitic posts are due to employee account being hacked

(January 5, 2024 / JNS)
In what reads like the plot of a thriller no one would write, the United Nations claims that an unknown party hacked an employee’s social-media account, posted Jew-hatred (including comparing Israelis to Nazis) and then evidently out of concern for the reputation of the woman that he or she had hacked, deleted the account.

Even that sequence of events took some time to get there. At first, the United Nations claimed that the account was a fake and didn’t belong to its employee in Germany, a writer and consultant named Lamia Burkart, and told a man being targeted by the account to delete his posts connecting the account to Burkart.

https://www.jns.org/un-claims-antisemitic-posts-are-due-to-employee-account-being-hacked/

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I think they'll be found guilty of war crimes, but I think the court is a farce. 

 

What great cases have been won by the court? 

I would have had far more faith in the ICC which is independent. The ICJ being UN and its history of anti-Semitism, well lets see.

Edited January 6 by Bkk Brian

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Much world opinion coalesced against Russia and made it a pariah nation. As I said before, nations who recognise the ICJ will be pressured into acting by such an injunction. It will just cement Israel's status as a recalcitrant nation in world opinion

 

@ozimoron

 

How will these countries be 'pressured'? By whom?

The thing with you black/white people is that you cannot imagine a situation which doesn't neatly fall into place.

Also, Russia was the aggressor, in the case at hand....7/10 was a Hamas thing.

[Jeff the Chef]

8 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Who is South Africa bringing proceedings against?

 

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Black South Africa doesn't like Israel , Israel were friendly with White South Africa,  pre Mandela

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They are a Country in the South of Africa , located on the Cape Horn 

 

53 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I did answer the same  question earlier , could you scroll back and see it ?

Could you also retract the "shame" that you bestowed on me ?

Thanks 

I take it you mean this answer?

 

 Black South Africa doesn't like Israel , Israel were friendly with White South Africa,  pre Mandela

[Jeff the Chef]

19 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@ozimoron

 

How will these countries be 'pressured'? By whom?

The thing with you black/white people is that you cannot imagine a situation which doesn't neatly fall into place.

Also, Russia was the aggressor, in the case at hand....7/10 was a Hamas thing.

 

Just a shame it's not Hamas going to see the ICJ

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Just a shame it's not Hamas going to see the ICJ

Its a propaganda move by SA to bring Israel to ICJ. Hamas is already being investigated by the ICC as is Israel

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

I take it you mean this answer?

 

 

 

   This is mightily slow going .

Yes, that was my reply !!!!!!!

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Just a shame it's not Hamas going to see the ICJ

 

  Why has no one taken the Hamas to the ICJ ?

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, rabas said:

But all is not without reason. The fundamentally unchangeable reason is that without warning Hamas committed the worst most horrific terrorist attack on innocent people the world has ever seen. That can never be acceptable. 

As the Secretary General of the UN said, the attack did not happen in a vacuum, but you and the others that support Israel killing 20 thousand innocent Palestinians ( all the ones that are not in Hamas ) refuse to acknowledge the oppression, collective punishment, land theft and the blockade of Gaza that led to the attack in the first place.

 

As for "the worst most horrific terrorist attack on innocent people the world has ever seen" I'm sure there are a few more in mankind's history that might qualify for that description.

[thaibeachlovers]

Given I spent many years working in the ME, that can hardly apply to me, and you will not find any post from me supporting the Hamas attack, though I have posted the reasons the attack happened, something rather lacking, IMO, from your side of the equation, as if Hamas just decided to go and murder a lot of people for no reason at all.

[Jeff the Chef]

11 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@ozimoron

 

How will these countries be 'pressured'? By whom?

The thing with you black/white people is that you cannot imagine a situation which doesn't neatly fall into place.

Also, Russia was the aggressor, in the case at hand....7/10 was a Hamas thing.

This is the problem 7/10 isn't all a Hamas thing, 16 years of oppression from Israel is as much to blame.

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

This is the problem 7/10 isn't all a Hamas thing, 16 years of oppression from Israel is as much to blame.

 

The Israeli "oppression" was caused by the actions of Hamas .

The blockade was there to stop Hamas bringing weapons into Gaza 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As the Secretary General of the UN said, the attack did not happen in a vacuum, but you and the others that support Israel killing 20 thousand innocent Palestinians ( all the ones that are not in Hamas ) refuse to acknowledge the oppression, collective punishment, land theft and the blockade of Gaza that led to the attack in the first place.

 

As for "the worst most horrific terrorist attack on innocent people the world has ever seen" I'm sure there are a few more in mankind's history that might qualify for that description.

He clarified the following day, you should keep up.

 

“I have condemned unequivocally the horrifying and unprecedented 7 October acts of terror by Hamas in Israel. Nothing can justify the deliberate killing, injuring and kidnapping of civilians — or the launching of rockets against civilian targets.”

The secretary-general said he spoke of the grievances of the Palestinian people and also stated: “But the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas.”

https://apnews.com/article/guterres-vacuum-cohen-erdan-justification-terrorism-47732bba62e2b1e9093bb76159ce236a

[Bkk Brian]

36 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

This is the problem 7/10 isn't all a Hamas thing, 16 years of oppression from Israel is as much to blame.

Yes it is. It was Hamas who carried it out, well Hamas and some Palestinian civilians who decided to join in.

Edited January 6 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

On 1/2/2024 at 2:59 PM, Bkk Brian said:

I don't do deflection, I was addressing you not Hanaguma and letting you know why the beach is like that now.

 

Its a pity its a warzone, used to have some nice hotels:

 

 

 

I didn't expect that, even in the frigging hotels:

 

Come stay at the Blue Beach Hotel in Gaza, where #Hamas replaced the room service and the spa with complementary AK-47s and terrorist tunnels.

IDF troops operated at a Hamas terrorist quarters under the Blue Beach Hotel by the beach in northern Gaza, using a range of methods and destroyed the infrastructure earlier this week.

Hamas terrorists exploited the hotel, from where they planned and executed attacks both above and below ground. Many weapons were found under the hotel, including AK-47 assault rifles, explosives and drones. 

During the course of combat, dozens of Hamas terrorists entrenched in the hotel fired anti-tank missiles at IDF forces, who returned fire. During the forces’ operations in the hotel’s area, the soldiers encountered and eliminated terrorists.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1743355674455613758

 

IDF says it demolished Hamas tunnel network under northern Gaza beach resort

The soldiers discovered at least seven tunnel shafts in the area of the hotel, leading to an underground network of passages where Hamas operatives hid, the IDF says. 

The IDF says troops recovered in the underground site assault rifles, explosive devices and drones used by Hamas.

In November, the IDF said troops killed around 30 Hamas gunmen who were holed up in the hotel, firing anti-tank missiles at the forces.

The tunnels, which were recently investigated by troops, were demolished by combat engineers, the IDF says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-it-demolished-hamas-tunnel-network-under-northern-gaza-beach-resort/

Edited January 7 by Bkk Brian