Netanyahu rejects claims accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Easy one that, go and set the nuclear bombs off and end all trouble in the Middle East, but they won't do that will they, because that would screw all the oil up and the US wouldn't be happy.

 

Typical know-nothing response from a typical know-nothing, thanks. 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Typical know-nothing response from a typical know-nothing, thanks. 

 

LoL, who asked the stupid question?

[Hawaiian]

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

Another eye-witness report. This one from Save the Children dated Dec 9th.

 

"The repeated failure of the international community to act signifies a death knell to children. Israel is squeezing Palestinian children and families into ‘death zones’ dubbed as ‘safe zones.’ I’ve seen children and families roaming the streets of what hasn’t been flattened in Gaza, with no food, nowhere to go, and nothing to survive on. Even the internationally-funded humanitarian aid response – Gaza’s last lifeline - has been choked by Israeli-imposed restrictions."

  https://www.savethechildren.net/news/deaths-starvation-and-disease-may-top-deaths-bombs-families-squeezed-deadly-safe-zones-two

 

 

While you are tossing around accusations: https://www.thesun.ie/news/11971257/israel-finds-hamas-biggest-underground-rocket-factory-gaza/

What is Israel supposed to do?  Wait until these rockets are ready to be fired into Israel to kill innocent women and children?  If you you know how to stop this without more carnage, the whole world is willing to listen.  Until then............

[ezzra]

17 hours ago, Morch said:

 

What 'million Muslims' are you on about? When was the last time (if ever) a 'million Muslims' cooperated and gathered for something of the sort? In reality (as opposed to fantasies aired) Israel got long lasting, stable peace agreements with two of its Arab neighbors. The likelihood of post-civil-war Syria gearing up for that, or Lebanon fully committed to Hezbollah's agenda is slim.

 

One can assert Israel's need and right to defend itself without getting hysterical.

You're missing the point, i was illustrating a situation where by IF IT WAS POSSIBLE and given the chance, the Muslims

of the world would think of nothing to destroy Israel,  that's how much hate and disdain there's out there for

Israel in the Muslim world kapeesh?...

[Bkk Brian]

“The term genocide arose from the Holocaust and is now being weaponized to describe Israel's justifiable defence following a genocidal attack from Hamas.”

An important piece by former Israeli Ambassador to the United Kingdom and international lawyer Daniel Taub. 

 

A cynical attempt to pervert the meaning of genocide

The term genocide is in fact relevant to the current conflict. The unspeakable atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on Oct. 7, including the murder, torture, rape and mutilation of 1,200 Israelis, and the taking hostage of 240 more, were indeed acts in pursuit of a genocidal agenda.

Hamas, whose charter calls for the murder of Jews everywhere, not only celebrated the murder of every victim, and its leaders have proudly insisted that their intention and hope is to commit such atrocities "again and again and again."

No state would stay passive in the face of such barbaric attacks. No state would remain idle as 130 hostages, including infants, the sick and the elderly, are still held captive by terrorists. Yet in the current proceedings it is not Hamas that is charged with genocide for its massacres but Israel for defending itself.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/a-cynical-attempt-to-pervert-the-meaning-of-genocide/article_6dae7312-ae4c-11ee-ad9f-8bee3cdc78b7.html

[Morch]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

You're missing the point, i was illustrating a situation where by IF IT WAS POSSIBLE and given the chance, the Muslims

of the world would think of nothing to destroy Israel,  that's how much hate and disdain there's out there for

Israel in the Muslim world kapeesh?...

 

Not missing any point. It is neither possible, nor (in my experience) that high on Muslim's bucket lists (other than in times of war, and with government propaganda pushing things along). By your rationale, every Israeli/Jew going to a Muslim country is basically committing suicide. Reality is different.

[Bkk Brian]

22 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Probably the first war in history where raw uncensored images of human suffering and death particularly of women and children and other non combatants have been widely seen and shared globally to a world populace who are nearly all connected to the Internet. Combat soldiers know the reality of war which is why so many come back from it scarred and broken for life whilst their leaders safe in their bunkers plan the next one. This changes the debate particularly in the global South and the 1.8 billion Muslim world. Their leaders will find it difficult or maybe impossible to ignore the anger on the Arab street lest they lose power themselves and for the first time in my lifetime a spotlight has been shone on Israel like never before. The new axis of evil looks on the carnage in Gaza with grim satisfaction as they can amply illustrate their western whataboutism with the freshly minted corpses of Palestinian babies. The Israel that comes out of this will be one that is never at peace with it neighbours, always existing in a state of heavily armed paranoia with a huge drop off of global support and just as importantly Jews that are prepared to settle in such a state.

“This is a continuation of a Palestinian strategy of terrorist groups over the past decades of what’s been called lawfare. 

On the one hand you create impossible dilemmas on the ground for any democracy trying to defend itself and on the other within the international institutions you try to criminalize Israel’s defense.” 

Watch:

 

[Bkk Brian]

Herzog meets Blinken, tells him genocide claim at ICJ ‘atrocious and preposterous’

President Isaac Herzog says that “there is nothing more atrocious and preposterous” than the lawsuit filed in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) accusing Israel of genocidal actions against Palestinians in the war against the Hamas terror group.

Speaking to visiting US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Herzog censures South Africa for bringing the case, which is due to begin hearings on Thursday, and thanks Washington for its support of Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/herzog-meets-blinken-tells-him-genocide-claim-at-icj-atrocious-and-preposterous/

 

Blinken knows already:

 

Blinken calls genocide case against Israel ‘meritless’

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Tuesday denounced Israel being referred to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for alleged genocide during its war in Gaza, calling the claim “meritless.”

The Biden administration, he said, believes the submission against Israel “distracts the world” from efforts such as securing the remaining hostages taken by Hamas during its Oct. 7 attack of Israel, addressing the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, and preventing the conflict from spreading.

“And moreover, the charge of genocide is meritless,” he added. 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4398781-israel-gaza-blinken-genocide-case-meritless/

[Bkk Brian]

None of the suffering - none of the suffering - would have happened if Hamas hadn't done what it did on October 7th and had it made different decisions thereafter."

 

 

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[Jeff the Chef]

Zionist can waffle as much as they like today, tomorrow they can have their day in court defending the Application instituting proceedings in the name of the Republic of South Africa (“South Africa”) against the State of Israel (“Israel”). 

[Rimmer]

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[Bkk Brian]

Well if this incident of the alleged execution of Palestinians is in the case tomorrow I'm afraid S.A. is presenting another fact less version of events, never listen to the terrorists.

 

BBC Apologizes For Reporting Unverified Hamas Claim Israel Was “Executing” Palestinians In Gaza

EXCLUSIVE: The BBC has apologized for reporting an unverified Hamas claim about the Israeli army carrying out “summary executions” of Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

BBC radio news bulletins reported Hamas’ allegation on Christmas Eve but the corporation said sufficient efforts were not made to corroborate the claim made by the designated terror group.

The source of the story appears to be news agency AFP, which reported that Hamas had gathered testimonies showing 137 Palestinians had been executed since the start of Israel‘s offensive. AFP said it could not verify the claim.

https://deadline.com/2024/01/bbc-apologizes-reporting-hamas-israel-execution-claims-1235700076/

[Morch]

Here's another legal analysis:

 

As Israel faces charges at The Hague, a Cornell expert in genocide weighs in

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-israel-faces-charges-at-the-hague-a-cornell-expert-in-genocide-weighs-in/

[Jeff the Chef]

32 minutes ago, Morch said:

Here's another legal analysis:

 

As Israel faces charges at The Hague, a Cornell expert in genocide weighs in

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-israel-faces-charges-at-the-hague-a-cornell-expert-in-genocide-weighs-in/

 

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Zionist can waffle as much as they like today, tomorrow they can have their day in court defending the Application instituting proceedings in the name of the Republic of South Africa (“South Africa”) against the State of Israel (“Israel”). 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

800+ Global Groups Back South Africa's Genocide Case as ICJ Prepares for Hearing
"The very least states can do is to submit Declarations of Intervention as a small part of fulfilling their obligations under Article 1 of the Genocide Convention," said a peace coalition.

 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/800-groups-icj

[ezzra]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Not missing any point. It is neither possible, nor (in my experience) that high on Muslim's bucket lists (other than in times of war, and with government propaganda pushing things along). By your rationale, every Israeli/Jew going to a Muslim country is basically committing suicide. Reality is different.

Now days, you don't even have to be in a Muslim country to feel the hate and endure hostilities so much so that Jews all over

the western world are now, for safety sake, removing any signs of being a Jew, and this is happening in civilised modern countries, a place where they were born and raised...

[Jeff the Chef]

The world is watching — and we’re not slowing down. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/05/media-roundup-2/

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Now days, you don't even have to be in a Muslim country to feel the hate and endure hostilities so much so that Jews all over

the western world are now, for safety sake, removing any signs of being a Jew, and this is happening in civilised modern countries, a place where they were born and raised...

 

Keep moving them goalposts.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The world is watching — and we’re not slowing down. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/05/media-roundup-2/

Hamas apologists:

"after the terrorist attack, the organization showed support on social media for "the latest unprecedented wave of resistance" by Palestinians"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Peace

[Nick Carter icp]

27 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The world is watching — and we’re not slowing down. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/05/media-roundup-2/

 

   Jewish voice of peace An Anti Zionist group and you don't need to be Jewish to be a member

They support the Palestinians  and oppose Israel and "Jews" dont says *Ceasefire now* , that's just one t-shirt wearers opinion 

[Jeff the Chef]

 

 

 

None of these Jews needed a t-shirt @Nick Carter icp

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

None of these Jews needed a t-shirt @Nick Carter icp

 

Why do you think putting up a picture of extremists makes your point (assuming you had one)?

[Jeff the Chef]

7 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Why do you think putting up a picture of extremists makes your point (assuming you had one)?

 

Just making the point not all Jews are Zionists, extremists, I don't think so.

[Morch]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Just making the point not all Jews are Zionists, extremists, I don't think so.

 

That's not much of a point, it was never claimed otherwise.

As for extremists - the last picture definitely portrays such. This group was discussed on previous posts. 

[Jeff the Chef]

FYI, might be a bit busy.

 

Public sittings of the Court can be followed live by clicking on the media player on the website homepage, or here. The webstream starts a few minutes before the sitting is scheduled to begin.

The hearings and sittings of the Court are also announced in a dedicated section of the Journal of the United Nations.

Thursday 11 January 2024 to Friday 12 January 2024

Proceedings instituted by South Africa against the State of Israel on 29 December 2023 - Request for the indication of provisional measures - Public hearings from Thursday 11 to Friday 12 January 2024

• Thursday 11 January 2024: 10 a.m.-12 noon
• Friday 12 January 2024: 10 a.m.-12 noon

https://www.icj-cij.org/calendar

 

[Morch]

Here is a list of the judges (excluding Israel's and South Africa's representative judges) who will hear the case:

 

Current composition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice#Current_composition

 

Some points -

 

(a)

5 of the judges are due to be replaced of February 2024. In case deliberations and proceedings are delayed/stalled for some reason, no idea how this might effect things. Similarly, as the case might take years to finalize it also means a turnover in judges hearing it anyway.

 

(b)

As is usual with UN and international bodies, the membership includes judges from countries which are either not paragons of human rights, involved in issues related to the court's function and/or are hostile to one of the parties appearing before the court. One can prattle about 'impartiality', but I'm not sure that's a thing considering some of the countries involved. Assuming that a strict separation will be applied between countries political stance on this matters and judges' rulings, that's a choice.

 

(c)

With regard to (b), this creates some interesting issues for countries/judges involved. Thinking about past rulings in cases vs. Russia, Myanmar and how certain countries/judges ruled, and how the legal reasoning offered in those cases might run counter to their current political agenda/affiliation.

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

16 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

That's not much of a point, it was never claimed otherwise.

As for extremists - the last picture definitely portrays such. This group was discussed on previous posts. 

It's good enough for me and millions of others around the world.

Extremists, in the last picture, according to who?

[Morch]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

It's good enough for me and millions of others around the world.

Extremists, in the last picture, according to who?

 

You obviously failed to understand what I posted. There was no point made that all Jews are Zionists. No one claimed that. It's not a thing.

According to whom? This was already discussed, with you even.

 

Neturei Karta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

 

It's one thing not having a clue what you post about, another to disregard information with was already discussed.

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

It's good enough for me and millions of others around the world.

Extremists, in the last picture, according to who?

I view people that call for the eradication of Israel extremist, you don't. 

 

That's what anti-Zionism is, a call for the eradication of Israel.