Judge orders Trump and companies to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

[Wrwest]

4 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I don't disagree but, it's all been said before, but it's  that equal justice and protections under the law principle.

As an outsider I see a stirring need for Trump to be taken to account on things he has done. There's many reasons I don't like Trump - over valuing properties to get bigger loans where they were all paid back  is at the lower end. I am playing devil's advocate to ask something - would have this and some other charges been pursued if it wasn't Trump. Not sure. 

I would personally focus criticism of Trump supporters on things like their acceptance of his support of dictators, trashing of democratic principles e.g. accepting outcome of elections etc etc. Though they should accept he did the wrong thing in this case I wouldn't consider it unreasonable for them to raise the issue of possible bias in the steps leading to todays findings. 

 

OK, but as to …” would have this and some other charges been pursued if it wasn't Trump. Not sure.” Might ask Bernie Madoff.

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You guys do seem to be using the law to interfere with democracy , prosecuting and  jailing your political opponents contravenes the democratic process 

 

Claimed without any proof whatsoever, just like the political loser trump. Personally I switch channels now, I'm sick of listening to trump's lies and poor little me whining. Hopefully he will stop conning / begging when he lists Truth Social, but I doubt it.

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You guys do seem to be using the law to interfere with democracy , prosecuting and  jailing your political opponents contravenes the democratic process 

Only you guys seem to believe this conspiracy theory....

[Roo Island]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You guys do seem to be using the law to interfere with democracy , prosecuting and  jailing your political opponents contravenes the democratic process 

You are aware that this isn't political. Biden isn't involved at all. This is New York. Not the US government. Jeez.

[paul1804]

A Dem voting judge, what about the Biden's & the Clintons and how did Barrack Obama become so wealthy just to name a few!!!

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You guys do seem to be using the law to interfere with democracy , prosecuting and  jailing your political opponents contravenes the democratic process 

IIRC Trump started the ball rolling in that respect.

 

The grand juries that have indicted Trump on 91 charges are not all Democrats. That is stretching probabilities further than the Brooklyn Bridge.

 

Ironic you should be talking about contravening the democratic process, when Trump himself is posting and speechifying about how he wants to discard it.

 

If a jury convicts Trump in the case before Aileen Cannon, obviously that jury is all pinkos too.

[Roo Island]

34 minutes ago, G_Money said:

The kind of reactions I expected from a forum of 95% liberal <deleted>.

 

At the time of the loans in which he paid back in full btw, the banks of course did their due diligence and ensured the properties were worth their value, much the same when I obtained a mortgage.

 

No red flag at that time until Trump is running for office.  Coincidence?, I think not.

 

If he wasn’t running none of these BS charges  would even appear.

A lot of what they ask for is provided by Trump and Co. Even his accounting firm was duped!  Ouch!

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-accounting-firm-resigns-financial-disclosures-longer-relied/story?id=82886011

 

Trump's accounting firm resigns, saying his financial disclosures should "no longer be relied upon"  The firm informed Trump in a letter sent last week, according to a court filing.

[Roo Island]

3 minutes ago, paul1804 said:

A Dem voting judge, what about the Biden's & the Clintons and how did Barrack Obama become so wealthy just to name a few!!!

Are you a QANON fan?

[Wrwest]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Would that be the same world that Trump gets to pick his own judge?

Guess it would be improper here to mention Trump’s appointments to the Supreme Court abetted by Mitch McConnell refusing to allow a vote on President Obama’s appointment ….

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, paul1804 said:

A Dem voting judge, what about the Biden's & the Clintons and how did Barrack Obama become so wealthy just to name a few!!!

I didn't hear any Trumper complaining when Trump stacked the Supreme Court with conservatives.

What about them? AFAIK none were called a rapist by a judge, were prosecuted for massive fraud, or willfully exposed national secrets. None paid off a porn star, or tried to overturn an election.

Look over there is a pathetic defense, come up with something remotely resembling fact. You are only embarrassing yourself.

[HappyExpat57]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

It was a civil case, criminal penalties don't apply.

 

What with all the cases, and appeals, the cash drain to pay lawyers must be gargantuan by now. Remember the legal eagles are all demanding payment in advance.

Only a desperate or incompetent lawyer would work for Trump in arrears.

 

Be patient, the best is yet to come.

 

INTEREST ALONE is $1 million USD PER WEEK whether or not he appeals. If he DOES appeal, he then has to post bond. In his current deleterious financial situation, no credible bank will front him THAT kind of cash, so he's looking for a Tony Soprano to back him. He's also quietly liquidating assets at a rapid pace to raise much needed capitol.

 

The future is looking mighty grim for teflon Don and I could not be happier that the chickens are FINALLY coming home to roost!

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

INTEREST ALONE is $1 million USD PER WEEK whether or not he appeals. If he DOES appeal, he then has to post bond. In his current deleterious financial situation, no credible bank will front him THAT kind of cash, so he's looking for a Tony Soprano to back him. He's also quietly liquidating assets at a rapid pace to raise much needed capitol.

 

The future is looking mighty grim for teflon Don and I could not be happier that the chickens are FINALLY coming home to roost!

IMO no mob boss would want to back him. He's giving them a bad name.

 

IIRC Trump said only mob bosses take the Fifth, then proceeded to invoke it 500 times in one of his depositions.

[John Drake]

Blue Cult vs. Red Cult. Stop the madness. Vote for RFKjr.

[Wrwest]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Perhaps you are unaware that judges have the right to vote. Party affiliation doesn't equate to bias, except in the minds of losers.

 

How about the corrupt Clarence Thomas and his QAnon wife? Should Thomas be allowed to rule on anything trumpish? How about Gorsuch, the crazy Catholic woman and the Yale fratboy, all three of whom trump appointed?

You know better than to allow someone to lead you away from the core issue. Same with me … hard to bite my tongue and not react but there is no end (and no reason) in their madness.

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I love it when guys like you start frothing at the mouth about liberal lefty pinko commies. Please continue.......

all the frothing I’ve seen so far are the previous comments, yours included.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

Your saying he is being persecuted politically, not because he broke the law which requires him to pay taxes. Thus. You must be ok with the rich not paying taxes.

 

my comment was nothing to do with taxes whatsoever, the charges are being pushed politically. 

and the emails are highlighting the double standards. if they both broke the law for whatever reason then both face the consequences..but it doesn't seem to go that way does it.

 

[john donson]

what about the politicians buying stock from companies they regulate

[candide]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

The kind of reactions I expected from a forum of 95% liberal <deleted>.

 

At the time of the loans in which he paid back in full btw, the banks of course did their due diligence and ensured the properties were worth their value, much the same when I obtained a mortgage.

 

No red flag at that time until Trump is running for office.  Coincidence?, I think not.

 

If he wasn’t running none of these BS charges  would even appear.

The kind of reaction expected from  a 100% MAGA poster  who's grasping at straws because his political idol is a crook.

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You're OK with someone asking you for a loan on a property which is only one third the size it is claimed to be in the documents?

 

It may be going to the SC. Doubtful if Trump can't raise the bond money from his rubes. IMO law-abiding businesses will still be getting along fine.

 

Hang on a second, I have a penthouse condo for you. 400 sqm.

and if that is paid off what exactly is the issue? if i said i wanted a loan on my property and said its worth 3mil, the bank would come and value it themselves

[animalmagic]

6 hours ago, nausea said:

This lawfare is destroying the legitimacy of the US legal system, a heavy price to pay for some petty, or maybe not so petty, political advantage. I mean, you sort of expect it in a country like Pakistan, with all their Imran Khan shenanigans, but the US?

Would that be like the lawfare of hurling baseless allegations of electoral fraud that were ALL thrown out of court?

[Wrwest]

56 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I didn't hear any Trumper complaining when Trump stacked the Supreme Court with conservatives.

What about them? AFAIK none were called a rapist by a judge, were prosecuted for massive fraud, or willfully exposed national secrets. None paid off a porn star, or tried to overturn an election.

Look over there is a pathetic defense, come up with something remotely resembling fact. You are only embarrassing yourself.

555 Yes it is all stacked against him! Rightly so, these were his actions, no one else, as you point out.

[G_Money]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

The kind of reaction expected from  a 100% MAGA poster  who's grasping at straws because his political idol is a crook.

And your reaction is exactly what I expect from a Never Trumper…yawn.

[alanrchase]

4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Have you ever owned property.  I can tellyou from experience that when you buy propetrty and are using a different property as collateral there is almost always a difference between what you think and the bank does.  

 

Also, no one holds a gun to the bank's head.  The bank looks at what is provided and balances that with whether they want to agree and or do business with a person.

 

 

As others have stated this is going to cause almost all commercial property owners to get the hell out of NY state.  

 

They all do it.  THe banks all do it.

 

I am willing to guarantee that a lot of business is going to leave NY state and that this is gong to go to the supreme court.

 

This is a Dem gtovernor and DEM AG that wanted to make a name for themselves with a DEM judge.

Hell the judge under valued the properties that he owns

 

The judge didn't decide the value on any of the properties that Trump owns, he used the values given at the time by the local tax assessors. When Mar A Largo was valued at $26 million for tax assessment Trump sent his lawyers to court to argue it was worth less than that. 

[PETERTHEEATER]

This US Three Ring Circus makes my head hurt and I'm sticking instead  with the Thai Thaksin pantomime......🥺

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Only you guys seem to believe this conspiracy theory....

and what were the msm saying Trump would do if back in office.....

[HappyExpat57]

15 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and if that is paid off what exactly is the issue? if i said i wanted a loan on my property and said its worth 3mil, the bank would come and value it themselves

 

GAWD how this lack of awareness is getting old.

 

The banks dared not argue with that fraudster cuz he would leave a trail of dead companies which disagreed with him in his wake. Even the largest of financial institutions turned a blind eye for fear of the legal entanglements.

[Prubangboy]

18 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and if that is paid off what exactly is the issue? 

Lying on legal documents is bad.

 

Bad things get punished, not always, but sometimes.

 

Even if you do a bad thing and nothing bad happens, bad things are still bad.

 

Like if I go into the bank and give the bank teller a stick-up note and then I DON'T actually rob the bank, I still did a bad thing.

 

Like I said, bad things are bad.

 

Your -and his- basic defense is: well, not that bad. How's that been working out for Ol' Stinky?

[candide]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and what were the msm saying Trump would do if back in office.....

You mean when they were quoting him?

For example:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-policies-agenda-election-2024-second-term-d656d8f08629a8da14a65c4075545e0f

[frank83628]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

You mean when they were quoting him?

For example:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-policies-agenda-election-2024-second-term-d656d8f08629a8da14a65c4075545e0f

i really am not going to be arsed to search links for likes of maddow, morning joe and various others (who i have no idaes the names of) all hysterically claiming trump will be the next hitler.

[Thingamabob]

The various courts' biased judgements make the USA look like a third world banana republic. Sad.