No charging option in condo - Need advice

[Bandersnatch]

18 hours ago, radiochaser said:

“Normally a car fire you can put out with 500 to 1,000 gallons of water,” Austin Fire Department Division Chief Thayer Smith said, according The Independent. “But Teslas may take up to 30,000-40,000 gallons of water, maybe even more, to extinguish the battery pack once it starts burning."

Up to 150 000 liters of water needed to put out a fire in an electric ...

ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car

 

America is very slow to adopt EVs,  even Thailand has a faster rate of adoption, so I would look to the US for expertise on EVs. 

 

A country like Norway which has 90% EV sales isn’t stupid enough to put water on an electrical fire.

 

Norwegian company Bridgehill demonstrates using a fire blanket to control an EV fire.

 

 

 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

21 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

They are there to take care of owners' needs. 

No, only the needs concerning accommodation. Not services that have nothing to do with that, like filling up your car or do your shopping.

[Fruit Trader]

23 hours ago, transam said:

I cannot imagine electric charging cables laying on the street being allowed in the UK, but if it is, feel free to post me photos.

 

Relax, the futures looking bright.

 

[transam]

27 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

Relax, the futures looking bright.

 

Weeeeeeeeeeell, these were the visions I had that would not be allowed in the UK........🤭

[JBChiangRai]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

Weeeeeeeeeeell, these were the visions I had that would not be allowed in the UK........🤭

You can probably do it, but you leave yourself open to a claim, the insurance scammers will love it!

[quake]

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You can probably do it, but you leave yourself open to a claim, the insurance scammers will love it!

 

I would be more concerned with hurting people,  especially old grannies, walking along the pavement.

 

 

[stratocaster]

The latest innovation in the UK is the pop up charging connection. You bury the cable from your house to the kerbside using a horizontal drilling machine, so the pavement is not disturbed, and have a rubberised  pop up connection at the end. The pop up is activated by an app on your phone.

[transam]

23 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You can probably do it, but you leave yourself open to a claim, the insurance scammers will love it!

I doubt you could probably do it, insurance companies would probably be not too happy, and I doubt pay out anything to do with electricity and public side walks...

[quake]

5 minutes ago, stratocaster said:

The latest innovation in the UK is the pop up charging connection. You bury the cable from your house to the kerbside using a horizontal drilling machine, so the pavement is not disturbed, and have a rubberised  pop up connection at the end. The pop up is activated by an app on your phone.

 

That's interesting, what's the total cost job start to finish.

Do you need any planning permission ?

 

[rabas]

22 hours ago, Dewey said:

 

Could you please share the name of the company ? Thanks.

 

We have a meeting coming up next week. I'll see what I can do.  

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

20 hours ago, transam said:

Strange the photos in the post I replied to that I can see, have foreign number plates, even one of yours...........🤭

Last time I checked, foreign vehicles are allowed into the UK, so the provenance of a number plate is not definitive. In any event, the vehicle with what looks like an EU number plate is parked on a road that has UK style houses, bollards, road surface etc. 

 

Anyway, if you don't like those photos, just do a Google search for, "kerbside charging UK" and click on Images - you'll see any number of additional photos of cars parked on UK streets with charging cables trailing on the floor.

[transam]

34 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Last time I checked, foreign vehicles are allowed into the UK, so the provenance of a number plate is not definitive. In any event, the vehicle with what looks like an EU number plate is parked on a road that has UK style houses, bollards, road surface etc. 

 

Anyway, if you don't like those photos, just do a Google search for, "kerbside charging UK" and click on Images - you'll see any number of additional photos of cars parked on UK streets with charging cables trailing on the floor.

All foreign plates in one street, come....on...........................😂

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, transam said:

All foreign plates in one street, come....on...........................😂

 

At the risk of repeating myself:

 

Quote

Anyway, if you don't like those photos, just do a Google search for, "kerbside charging UK" and click on Images - you'll see any number of additional photos of cars parked on UK streets with charging cables trailing on the floor.

 

Did you bother doing that? If you did, you'll have seen the multiple other images of similar occurrences in the UK and if you didn't, then it seems you're just trying to bury your head in the sand and pretend that if you can't see it, it didn't happen.

 

Which is weird, because you've already seen and commented on the images posted by @Fruit Traderthat provide further evidence that you were wrong and the UK does indeed allow EV charging cables to be lying on the ground.

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

At the risk of repeating myself:

 

 

Did you bother doing that? If you did, you'll have seen the multiple other images of similar occurrences in the UK and if you didn't, then it seems you're just trying to bury your head in the sand and pretend that if you can't see it, it didn't happen.

 

Which is weird, because you've already seen and commented on the images posted by @Fruit Traderthat provide further evidence that you were wrong and the UK does indeed allow EV charging cables to be lying on the ground.

I don't think the UK does allow EV charging cables to be lying on the ground.

I am sure if these pictures were sent to the local council the owners would receive a penalty notice

Here the article that the pictures came from 

EXCLUSIVE: Blind charity slams electric car owners who dangle charging cables across the pavement and force pedestrians to dice with death by walking in the road

Unsafe charging cables were pictured in Wandsworth and Islington

Leading charities have slammed the infrastructure as 'ludicrous' and 'unsafe' 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12090071/Fury-selfish-electric-car-owners-dangling-charging-cables-pavement.html

Edited February 29 by vinny41
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[JBChiangRai]

I think the issue with charging cables on the ground is probably legal as there is unlikely to be legislation in place currently.

 

There are probably laws about obstructing the kings highway (a footpath is legally a highway), but a cable flat to the ground or even under a rubber safety device would be difficult to argue it’s an obstruction.

 

If somebody tripped over it then there could be a civil action and possibly a criminal action, but without the accident I suspect it’s a grey area.

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think the issue with charging cables on the ground is probably legal as there is unlikely to be legislation in place currently.

 

There are probably laws about obstructing the kings highway (a footpath is legally a highway), but a cable flat to the ground or even under a rubber safety device would be difficult to argue it’s an obstruction.

 

If somebody tripped over it then there could be a civil action and possibly a criminal action, but without the accident I suspect it’s a grey area.

Beith Driver told by council that safety cover for cable is a hazard

“Material placed in this manner is a safety hazard – as per Section 59 of the Roads (Scotland) Act – and that is why we have asked for it to be removed.

https://www.ardrossanherald.com/news/17428841.beith-driver-told-council-safety-cover-cable-hazard/

[vinny41]

EV owners without a driveway breaking the law if they run cable over pavement

Electric vehicle owners who don’t have a driveway have been told they would be breaking the law if they laid a charging cable across the pavement without a licence.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ev-owners-without-a-driveway-breaking-the-law-if-they-run-cable-over-pavement/a2038295474.html

[transam]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

EV owners without a driveway breaking the law if they run cable over pavement

Electric vehicle owners who don’t have a driveway have been told they would be breaking the law if they laid a charging cable across the pavement without a licence.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ev-owners-without-a-driveway-breaking-the-law-if-they-run-cable-over-pavement/a2038295474.html

It is only common sense, in a country where you could get sued for zillions for death or injury via a daft practice..☺️

[vinny41]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

It is only common sense, in a country where you could get sued for zillions for death or injury via a daft practice..☺️

Agreed some of the photos on this thread are clearly danger to pedestrians walking on the pavements

Highway Code has recently been updated 

Rule 239

When using an electric vehicle charge point, you should park close to the charge point and avoid creating a trip hazard for pedestrians from trailing cables. Display a warning sign if you can. After using the charge point, you should return charging cables and connectors neatly to minimise the danger to pedestrians and avoid creating an obstacle for other road users.

Laws CUR regs 98, 105, 107 & 110, RVLR reg 27 & RTA 1988 sect 42

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252

If anyone was to injured themselves due to charging cables trailing across the pavements it would be an open and shut case for claiming damages 

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Agreed some of the photos on this thread are clearly danger to pedestrians walking on the pavements

Highway Code has recently been updated 

Rule 239

When using an electric vehicle charge point, you should park close to the charge point and avoid creating a trip hazard for pedestrians from trailing cables. Display a warning sign if you can. After using the charge point, you should return charging cables and connectors neatly to minimise the danger to pedestrians and avoid creating an obstacle for other road users.

Laws CUR regs 98, 105, 107 & 110, RVLR reg 27 & RTA 1988 sect 42

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252

If anyone was to injured themselves due to charging cables trailing across the pavements it would be an open and shut case for claiming damages 

The highway code has two types of rules, you should not, and you must not, the former is advisory, whereas the latter is an offense, if you break it.

 

Interestingly, the section on charging cables is not mandatory, it is a should not rather than a must not.

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The highway code has two types of rules, you should not, and you must not, the former is advisory, whereas the latter is an offense, if you break it.

 

Interestingly, the section on charging cables is not mandatory, it is a should not rather than a must not.

This article indicates that if EV drivers wish to minimize potential legal action against them they should conform to  rule 239 of the highway code

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1722212/electric-cars-highway-code-laws-warning-charging-cable

[transam]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

This article indicates that if EV drivers wish to minimize potential legal action against them they should conform to  rule 239 of the highway code

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1722212/electric-cars-highway-code-laws-warning-charging-cable

Isn't strange these EV owners in LOS are even making "it's OK" excuses for back home...........😂

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Isn't strange these EV owners in LOS are even making "it's OK" excuses for back home...........😂

 

There is a company that handles everything for the EV owner

product has self closing lid so no dangers of stiletto getting stuck in the cable gulley

• Survey of your property and footpath.

• Obtaining all necessary local authority permissions.

• Cutting of gully by approved specialist.

• Installation of the UK CA certified Kerbo Charge channel.

• Ten year product warranty.

• https://www.kerbocharge.com/

[transam]

17 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

There is a company that handles everything for the EV owner

product has self closing lid so no dangers of stiletto getting stuck in the cable gulley

• Survey of your property and footpath.

• Obtaining all necessary local authority permissions.

• Cutting of gully by approved specialist.

• Installation of the UK CA certified Kerbo Charge channel.

• Ten year product warranty.

• https://www.kerbocharge.com/

No.1 seems a good idea.............☺️

[radiochaser]

On 2/28/2024 at 3:09 AM, The Fugitive said:

Surely such vehicles aren't allowed in undercover/underground car parks?

I see them every time I park in one. 

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, radiochaser said:

I see them every time I park in one. 

They even have charging cables undercover in the mall ... what is the world coming to ...

[radiochaser]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

They even have charging cables undercover in the mall ... what is the world coming to ...

 

[richard_smith237]

On 2/29/2024 at 1:51 PM, quake said:

On 2/29/2024 at 1:44 PM, stratocaster said:

The latest innovation in the UK is the pop up charging connection. You bury the cable from your house to the kerbside using a horizontal drilling machine, so the pavement is not disturbed, and have a rubberised  pop up connection at the end. The pop up is activated by an app on your phone.

 

That's interesting, what's the total cost job start to finish.

Do you need any planning permission ?

 

 

 

A far simple solution exists...     would planning permission be require for this (in the UK - no one would care here)....

 

The issue of course, is when everyone in the street, or in a condo is charging their EV at the same time....   the grid would fail.

To avoid that, additional infrastructure added and to pay for it night-time electricity consumption is charged at a premium.... 

 

 

https://www.chargegully.com/

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

On 3/4/2024 at 8:20 AM, KhunLA said:

They even have charging cables undercover in the mall ... what is the world coming to ...

 

Do you pay for it yet ??.....  You will...

 

My guess is that there are so many EV's now, soon, perhaps this year, Shopping Malls etc will have no choice but to charge for charging

 

 

[KhunLA]

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Do you pay for it yet ??.....  You will...

 

My guess is that there are so many EV's now, soon, perhaps this year, Shopping Malls etc will have no choice but to charge for charging

They do charge, and only in the very beginning was it free.  Just to let people know it was available and motivate people to test.  We don't bother charging at malls, and rarely have use for it.  Only use CS when O&A, and rare we would be at a mall when O&A, unless at Krung Thep, which I prefer to use public trans.

 

More to avoid being in traffic and having an oops out of province.  We always charge outside of Krung Thep, whether we need to or not, as that means we've been on the road too long already,   Going to the mall to charge while O&A isn't really as convenient as PTT.   

 

But if living in an area that has malls, and can't charge at home, then would be very convenient, as one does have to do their weekly shopping.  If we couldn't charge at home, then Lotus's would be our charging spot, once a week, as we hit Swensen's there every Tues or 2, or Pizza Co, like last night for dinner.   Don't drive enough to charge every week, so no problem if we miss an Ice cream or pizza fix some weeks.

 

From your queries and posts, you really don't have any clue how any of this works, do you?

Edited April 26 by KhunLA