1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh the two atrocities make a right argument.

No not at all, but without action now from Israel there will be many more attrocities committed by these Palestian terrorists, so it's best called a means to an end!

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Watched some streams of the latest "anti-Semitic" march in London on several news feeds. Unlike Mr Falter's "bottling" CAA, it was good to see that the more moderate Jewish groups are still not afraid to join these peaceful protests. It warmed the cockles of my heart to see that a keffiyeh-wearing pillock with a swastika placard got arrested by the Hamas-loving Met for being "openly ignorant".

Peaceful protests, stop trolling, these hate marches have been going on now for 6 months, time for Rowley and Khan to be booted out, but the country is totally rudderless at the moment thanks to ineffective governments and are too scared to govern.

But keep em a coming Mr Laew, nice to have a chortle in the morning

5 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

No not at all, but without action now from Israel there will be many more attrocities committed by these Palestian terrorists, so it's best called a means to an end!

Oh the means justifies the ends argument.

 

Even when the means stays into what the ICJ describes as ‘Plausible allegations of genocide’

 

You are wandering die the sewer of morally bankrupt justifications.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh the means justifies the ends argument.

He's got it, by George I think he's got it!

3 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Peaceful protests, stop trolling, these hate marches have been going on now for 6 months, time for Rowley and Khan to be booted out, but the country is totally rudderless at the moment thanks to ineffective governments and are too scared to govern.

But keep em a coming Mr Laew, nice to have a chortle in the morning

Gaslighting again.

 

These are not hate marches.

 

Though I do accept you hate protests against the slaughter of innocent civilians, the blocking of food, medicines, water and power to a civilian population under siege and the exclusion of international news reporters from the war zone (we couldn’t possibly be allowed to know what’s actually going on could we?!) 
 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

He's got it, by George I think he's got it!

 

Thanks for truncating my post to try and score a point.

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Gaslighting again.

 

These are not hate marches.

 

Though I do accept you hate protests against the slaughter of innocent civilians, the blocking of food, medicines, water and power to a civilian population under siege and the exclusion of international news reporters from the war zone (we couldn’t possibly be allowed to know what’s actually going on could we?!) 
 

 

 

You accept nothing that doesn't fit In with with your narrative. Do you accept that none of this woud be happening without the attack on 7/10 on innocent Israeli civilians and do you agree that Israel has every right to make sure these horrific barbaric attacks never happen again, or are you with some on here that thinks the Israelis should lay down their weapons and let these barbarians kill them.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Thanks for truncating my post to try and score a point.

 

The rest of your post was just nonsense. 

10 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You accept nothing that doesn't fit In with with your narrative. Do you accept that none of this woud be happening without the attack on 7/10 on innocent Israeli civilians and do you agree that Israel has every right to make sure these horrific barbaric attacks never happen again, or are you with some on here that thinks the Israelis should lay down their weapons and let these barbarians kill them.

Yes, I accept non of this would be happening without the attack of 7/10.

 

At the time I referred to that attack as an obscenity, I still regard that attack as an obscenity. 
 

Israel has every right to defend itself.

 

But Israel also has obligations under international law.

 

There are multiple options to Israel, the protest at objecting to the ongoing option chosen:

 

Acceptance of Israel’s right to defend itself and to respond with force to the obscene attack of 7/10 does not come with a cart Blanche acceptance of the atrocities Israel is now committing.

 

Opposition to Israel’s slaughter of innocent civilians, the blocking of food, medicines, water and power to a civilian population under siege and the exclusion of international news reporters from the war zone does not in any sense or way excuse or justify the obscene attack of 7/10.

 

It’s very simple, one obscenity does not justify another.

Opposing the ongoing slaughter is not hate.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

The rest of your post was just nonsense. 

Or you just couldn’t deal with it.

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh the means justifies the ends argument.

 

Even when the means stays into what the ICJ describes as ‘Plausible allegations of genocide’

 

Ah. The 'genocide' card. The Israelis aren't doing a very good job at that. Gaza has a population of more than 2 million. Estimates of those killed in Gaza since 7 October are around 35,000, according to Al Jazeera. So that's just over 1%. The situation in Gaza is appalling and I am for a ceasefire; Israel will never fully eradicate Hamas and the ongoing action is doubtless now an effective recruiting tool for Hamas and its evil objectives.

 

If the ICJ (which BTW didn't call for a ceasefire when it said Israel might be guilty of acts against the Genocide Convention) is going to level allegations of such acts against Israel, then sure as eggs are eggs it should be levelling them at Hamas too.

 

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948

They covered up the holocaust memorial in London today. 

2 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

Ah. The 'genocide' card. The Israelis aren't doing a very good job at that. Gaza has a population of more than 2 million. Estimates of those killed in Gaza since 7 October are around 35,000, according to Al Jazeera. So that's just over 1%. The situation in Gaza is appalling and I am for a ceasefire; Israel will never fully eradicate Hamas and the ongoing action is doubtless now an effective recruiting tool for Hamas and its evil objectives.

 

If the ICJ (which BTW didn't call for a ceasefire when it said Israel might be guilty of acts against the Genocide Convention) is going to level allegations of such acts against Israel, then sure as eggs are eggs it should be levelling them at Hamas too.

 

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948

 
Sorry for mentioning a fact that you don’t like.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry for mentioning a fact that you don’t like.

 

Sorry for mentioning a fact that YOU don’t like.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, I accept non of this would be happening without the attack of 7/10.

 

At the time I referred to that attack as an obscenity, I still regard that attack as an obscenity. 
 

Israel has every right to defend itself.

 

But Israel also has obligations under international law.

 

There are multiple options to Israel, the protest at objecting to the ongoing option chosen:

 

Acceptance of Israel’s right to defend itself and to respond with force to the obscene attack of 7/10 does not come with a cart Blanche acceptance of the atrocities Israel is now committing.

 

Opposition to Israel’s slaughter of innocent civilians, the blocking of food, medicines, water and power to a civilian population under siege and the exclusion of international news reporters from the war zone does not in any sense or way excuse or justify the obscene attack of 7/10.

 

It’s very simple, one obscenity does not justify another.

Opposing the ongoing slaughter is not hate.

 

 

Israel has even more obligations to it's own citizens and must do what it deems fit to protect the lives of its citizens. Let's not forget these terrible conditions the hostages are being held in and it would appear subjected to daily abuse, but we don't like to talk about them.

The simple solution is for all the hostages (what's left of them anyway) to be released and the terrorists to surrender, and with that the war would end immediately.

11 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Israel has even more obligations to it's own citizens and must do what it deems fit to protect the lives of its citizens. Let's not forget these terrible conditions the hostages are being held in and it would appear subjected to daily abuse, but we don't like to talk about them.

The simple solution is for all the hostages (what's left of them anyway) to be released and the terrorists to surrender, and with that the war would end immediately.

The slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians isn’t getting any hostages released.

Maybe Israel needs to try something else.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians isn’t getting any hostages released.

Maybe Israel needs to try something else.

 

 

Maybe the terrorists should have thought of that before slaughtering Israelis. You reap what you sow!

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh the means justifies the ends argument.

 

Even when the means stays into what the ICJ describes as ‘Plausible allegations of genocide’

 

You are wandering die the sewer of morally bankrupt justifications.

‘Plausible allegations of genocide’

 

Perhaps you need to check on that again for an explanation on what they really meant rather than that portrayed through the media and which you have parroted.

 

Former ICJ President clarifies court's ruling on South Africa's case against Israel

https://aseannow.com/topic/1325978-former-icj-president-clarifies-courts-ruling-on-south-africas-case-against-israel

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians isn’t getting any hostages released.

Maybe Israel needs to try something else.

 

 

Maybe Hamas needs to release the hostages, the demonstrators forget that little fact.

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

 

 

Where have I ever suggested that Mr Falter or any other Jew should "hide being Jewish" or that "Jews don't belong in London"?

 

I hope it's not about my allusion to trains in response to @Wobblybob's earlier suggestion that they maybe they should truck Jews out of London during these protests? So many have wrung their hands in despair over that already.

 

   I was asking you a question .

If you deny making statements that were deleted , well , we both know you made those comments 

On 4/27/2024 at 7:35 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

Bottled it 

 

Campaign Against Antisemitism has cancelled its planned counter-protest against a pro-Palestinian march through central London on Saturday.

The group, led by Gideon Falter, had said it wanted to use the “walk together” initiative to support its view that the area around the planned pro-Palestinian march was not safe for Jewish people.

But on Friday afternoon CAA announced that its event had been cancelled amid pressure from those within the Jewish community who feared it could backfire.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/26/campaign-against-antisemitism-cancels-counter-protest-london-pro-palestinian-march

 

    Photos from yesterdays march .

Care to reject your "bottled it" claim ?

How do you feel now ? 🙂

 

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/pro-palestinian-protests-man-arrested-for-carrying-swastika-placard-and-another-held-for-racist-remarks-at-london-march-13124492

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians isn’t getting any hostages released.

Maybe Israel needs to try something else.

 

 

 

  Those civilians must be well hungry by now, they have been starving since October and still haven't died of starvation .

   Seems like the claims of starvation are not true , otherwise there would be some people starving to death 

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

Maybe the terrorists should have thought of that before slaughtering Israelis. You reap what you sow!

The term ‘innocent civilians’ seems to have evaded your outrage.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Those civilians must be well hungry by now, they have been starving since October and still haven't died of starvation .

   Seems like the claims of starvation are not true , otherwise there would be some people starving to death 

Perhaps international journalists should be allowed into Gaza to independently report on what is going on there.

57 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe Hamas needs to release the hostages, the demonstrators forget that little fact.

Do the Demonstrators forget that?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps international journalists should be allowed into Gaza to independently report on what is going on there.

 

   Its too dangerous for them , they could get killed 

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The term ‘innocent civilians’ seems to have evaded your outrage.

Au contraire, there were many 'innocent civilians' celebrating in Gaza when the Innocent civilians in Israel were massacred!

Maybe you should get back on topic!

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do the Demonstrators forget that?

 

 

They don't express it. They don't have placards calling for it. They don't chant free the hostages. Why not?

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its too dangerous for them , they could get killed 

That’s not an argument against giving journalists a choice of whether or not they want to go into Gaza to report on conditions there.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They don't express it. They don't have placards calling for it. They don't chant free the hostages. Why not?

Ah, the sin of alleged omission.