Wrong visa stamp on arrival

[bigt3116]

1 hour ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

.i mean the guest doesnt have it.

 

The guest would count as "possessor" so could file it themself

 

[Caldera]

2 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

The guest would count as "possessor" so could file it themself

 

That depends on the immigration office. While most would probably agree that a longterm tenant with a lease can file as the possessor of the property, that's a bit of a stretch with a hotel guest.

[Liquorice]

3 minutes ago, Caldera said:

 

That depends on the immigration office. While most would probably agree that a longterm tenant with a lease can file as the possessor of the property, that's a bit of a stretch with a hotel guest.

In that case the Immigration Act makes it clear it's the hotels' responsibility.

The OP is staying in Airbnb, which is a private residence, not a hotel or guest house.
She could register and file a TM30 online as the 'foreigner', but would require copies of the owner's Tabien Baan and ID card to do so.

[khunPer]

14 hours ago, miaclarkson03 said:

Hi please can someone advise me/maybe provide some reassurance. 

My boyfriend and i arrived in Thailand last Saturday (13th) through Bangkok and got a flight that day straight to Koh Samui. We’re here for 3 weeks then are moving on to some other islands etc.. anyway we both showed our 60 day tourist visa to the immigration officer and they gave my boyfriend the 60 day stamp but gave me only 30 day stamp. I know i should have checked now when leaving but this is our first time and i didnt know. We have only just noticed luckily by our airbnb host and now the immigration office isnt open until monday and i keep reading online they may say i have to go back to bangkok and i am getting very worried. Flights are costing £250 each all of next week and i really don’t want to have to pay that all for a stamp mistake. Do you think they will fix it at the samui immigration office is there anything i can do to make sure? 
 

Any help would be great please, thanks.

Best thing to do is to visit Samui Immigration in Maenam soi 1, They either can correct your entry stamp, or you can get a 30-days extension of stay for a 1,900 baht fee.

[Liquorice]

5 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Best thing to do is to visit Samui Immigration in Maenam soi 1, They either can correct your entry stamp, or you can get a 30-days extension of stay for a 1,900 baht fee.

The point being, the OP doesn't want a 30-day extension at this point.
They have planned a stay of 150 days, and a 30-day extension at this point would mean extra costs.

[scorecard]

13 hours ago, Liquorice said:

It's a notification to Immigration of a foreigner's residence.
It's the duty of hotel and guest house managers to file the report.

Airbnb are agents, and not their responsibility, unless the owners have left them copies of their ID and house documents.

Ultimate point: by law and serious, Thailand authorities must keep records of the location of everybody in Thailand:

 

- Thai citizens, this is done through a Tabien Baan book kept at the actual residence but when update is needed that's done at a local gov't admin. office. (Tabien Baan book - in English household registration book), which lists the full details of the people who live at the address on the Tabien Baan book.

 

- Permanent Residents - also recorded in the Tabien Baan book for the address where they reside. Updated as per above.

 

- Various visas: long-term often recorded on a different coloured Tabien Baan book but still meaning for the address where they reside.

   Short-term:  This usually means being registered on the hotel / guest house etc., records which are shared continuously with the Thai Immigration Bureau.   

[Liquorice]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Short-term:  This usually means being registered on the hotel / guest house etc., records which are shared continuously with the Thai Immigration Bureau. 

The issue of a Yellow book is nothing to do with Immigration.
An Amphoe will only issue a yellow book if you have long term residency, such as a one-year extension of temporary stay.
Hotels and guest houses are not considered 'permanent' places of residence, and yellow books wouldn't be issued for such addresses.

[Liquorice]

7 minutes ago, scorecard said:

- in English household registration book), which lists the full details of the people who live at the address on the Tabien Baan book.

No idea what you mean by 'English household registration book'.

There are Blue and Yellow house books, both with entries written in Thai. 

[john donson]

I doubt the airbnb willl have tm30 you for short stay as that is still illegal and would be easy to track and fine...

[Liquorice]

Be nice if @miaclarkson03 gave us an update.

[couchpotato]

12 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

No idea what you mean by 'English household registration book'.

There are Blue and Yellow house books, both with entries written in Thai. 

Duh,,he is saying that in English it's called 'Household Registration book' 

[Liquorice]

10 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Duh,,he is saying that in English it's called 'Household Registration book' 

Why not simply state it as you did, without a hyphen in between.

 

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

- Thai citizens, this is done through a Tabien Baan book kept at the actual residence but when update is needed that's done at a local gov't admin. office. (Tabien Baan book - in English household registration book), which lists the full details of the people who live at the address on the Tabien Baan book.

It's still factually incorrect.
All Thais must be registered in a Blue house book, but they don't necessarily reside there.
The registration of all Thais in a Blue book serve as an ongoing 'population census' for the government.

[brianthainess]

16 hours ago, miaclarkson03 said:

We have only just noticed luckily by our airbnb host and now the immigration office isnt open until monday

Yeh same on Koh Chang went to do my 90day yesterday Closed till 22nd. 

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, Liquorice said:

In that case the Immigration Act makes it clear it's the hotels' responsibility.

The OP is staying in Airbnb, which is a private residence, not a hotel or guest house.
She could register and file a TM30 online as the 'foreigner', but would require copies of the owner's Tabien Baan and ID card to do so.

 

Again, it depends on the immigration office. It's first and foremost the landlord's responsibility to notify immigration about foreigners staying at their property. When it becomes the tenant's responsibility and what documentation is required isn't consistently handled.

 

Maybe someone can help with specific information for Ko Samui?

[Liquorice]

2 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Again, it depends on the immigration office. It's first and foremost the landlord's responsibility to notify immigration about foreigners staying at their property.

It is not solely the landlord/owner's responsibility to file a TM30, for a private residential property, which is why foreigners are sometimes fined by Immigration.

The online TM30 registration site permits 'foreigners' to register and file a TM30 for a reason.

 

Hotels and guest houses are clearly responsible for filing, not the foreigner.

For private residential properties it's not entirely down to the owner/landlord or wife to file, the Act makes it clear 'if you reside there in any capacity whatsoever' you are also liable to file a Tm30.

[CFCol]

14 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Then they may have filed a TM30. Only way to find out is to ask them. If they did not, ask them to do so. And print out screenshot. 

For your info, TM 30's are not issued at Samui main immigration office but at their other offic near Chaweng Noi. (Just in case you have to do your own )

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, Liquorice said:

It is not solely the landlord/owner's responsibility to file a TM30, for a private residential property, which is why foreigners are sometimes fined by Immigration.

The online TM30 registration site permits 'foreigners' to register and file a TM30 for a reason.

 

Hotels and guest houses are clearly responsible for filing, not the foreigner.

For private residential properties it's not entirely down to the owner/landlord or wife to file, the Act makes it clear 'if you reside there in any capacity whatsoever' you are also liable to file a Tm30.

 

Which part of "it depends on the immigration office" do you fail to understand? Whatever you think "the act makes clear" might or might not be interpreted differently by your IO.

 

The OP has no other option than (1) to establish if Ko Samui immigration is willing to fix the stamp, and if so, (2) requires a TM30 receipt to do that. If that's the case and the Airbnb host hasn't filed a TM30 notification, checking into a hotel for a night might be a lot easier than trying to get the TM30 sorted with the Airbnb host.

[Sparkling]

Hi, i do not consider myself a specialist on visa issues, but some years ago there was a similar (and even worse) problem for a guest at the same resort. IN SAMUI.

Czech women, travelling together and not the first time. Staying three months as usual and not familiar with any details as the tourist is usually taken care off.

One of them just found out, that her visa wasn't used and she only got the 30 days AND was already on a relevant overstay.

She was nervously telling this to the massage women as she was scared to tell the resort owner (an old man we knew for more than a decade and even called him papa, but the czech woman was afraid, he might be angry.). She asked him and he was urgently telling her to fix it. Now she was more nervous about what to do and the massage women, who also knew us some years, suggested to talk to me. I told her the simple truths, that it is serious, but can be fixed. That she needs to do it as soon as possible, which means today (as it was a normal working day, immigration open). I told her, that she could be arrested and deported in case she gets controlled on the way to nathon, but hardly will happen, and she should not worry, but just go there.

Now  i gave the advice, i think, is the most relevant:

Get dressed properly. Long sleeve, trousers or long skirt. Clean. Wear a bra. No slippers but closed shoes and maybe even socks. It does not matter if you sweat.

When you adress the IO, do not say "You made amistake." Say: "I have a problem, can you please help me." (For my experience over more then three decades, Thais will help you, if asked nicely.)

She went nervously. Came back some time in the afternoon, studying the new stamps with her fellow girls and the massage women, cause they were not sure about the meaning calling me again for help, if this would be OK.

I looked at it and they now stamped the tourist visa (still stickers that time) USED changed the dates and signed extra stamp. Still no expert, to me it looked absolutely fine. I asked her, if the officers were angry, made problems, asked for money or anything uncomfortable happened. She answered: Not at all.

 

for my ten cents: Go there - you are not even on overstay. Mind your appearance. Mind your words. Show trust. And you'll be fine.

 

(The TM30: when your AirBnb asked for your ID, they might have done it. If they didn't and the IO critizises, tell them your true stay, cause it is the duty of the AirBnb, and if they haven't taken care of you, their trouble should not be yours.)

 

regards

Edited April 20 by Sparkling

[Tropicalevo]

18 hours ago, miaclarkson03 said:

We have only just noticed luckily by our airbnb host

This would suggest that the TM 30 has been completed.

Some of the things that hosts need to complete a TM 30 is the visa type and length of stay.

[Liquorice]

4 hours ago, Caldera said:

Which part of "it depends on the immigration office" do you fail to understand? Whatever you think "the act makes clear" might or might not be interpreted differently by your IO.

That is an opinion.
What part of the Immigration Act do you fail to understand.

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

That is an opinion.
What part of the Immigration Act do you fail to understand.

Many examples of immigration offices refusing to correct error of stamp from entry to Thai airports.

No so much in Bangkok where you can attend immigration to have error corrected.

Not sure current office for this however previously was counter K at IT mall.

Certainly the stamp can be altered at BKK airport. 

For the OP, all this is very inconvenient. 

Obviously she will attend Samui immigration Monday.

All the TM30 chit chat is useless.

My guess is Samui will tell her to nick off.

Fall back option is to change plan to achieve 150 days using setv entry.

That's possible without having stamp corrected 

[Liquorice]

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

All the TM30 chit chat is useless.

It is, why?
Because Immigration make exceptions for tourists, or you can't be bothered reading the posts.

 

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

My guess is Samui will tell her to nick off.

My guess is Samui will change the date, given a TM30 has been filed.

 

14 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Fall back option is to change plan to achieve 150 days using setv entry.

That's possible without having stamp corrected 

She entered with an SETV, but the IO only gave her a 30-day stamp, which disrupts their plans and can cause further unforeseen expenses.

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

My guess is Samui will change the date, given a TM30 has been filed.

Very tired of you.

She will receive quick reply Monday.

You posted earlier "no reply from OP"

Clearly she is waiting for immigration to open Monday. 

I hope Samui correct the mistake with her stamp.

She indicated 3 week stay Samui.

They have options to achieve 150 day stay if Samui immigration refuse to alter stamp.

The TM30 will be a minor concern for her situation. 

[Liquorice]

19 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Very tired of you.

Very tired of your disparaging and aloof comments towards members as well.

 

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You posted earlier "no reply from OP"

Yep, she stated she'd check with the owners in the morning if they'd filed a TM30, or if not, if they would.

She as yet hasn't replied as to that objective.

 

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

They have options to achieve 150 day stay if Samui immigration refuse to alter stamp.

They can, as already pointed out, but not without extra inconvenience and expense for two.

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Why not simply state it as you did, without a hyphen in between.

 

It's still factually incorrect.
All Thais must be registered in a Blue house book, but they don't necessarily reside there.
The registration of all Thais in a Blue book serve as an ongoing 'population census' for the government.

Yes, multi functional...

[Maestro]

10 hours ago, Liquorice said:

No idea what you mean by 'English household registration book'...

 

This is one of the rare cases where a missing comma can lead to confusion. Correctly punctuated, it would be 

"Tabien Baan book - in English, household registration book".

 

In other words, what some people refer to as the Tabien Baan, which is an attempt at giving a pronunciation guide for the Thai name of the document, can be translated into English as household registration book. For brevity but less precisely, I tend to call it the house registration book.

[sandyf]

On 4/20/2024 at 12:53 PM, john donson said:

I doubt the airbnb willl have tm30 you for short stay as that is still illegal and would be easy to track and fine...

You should refrain from making false and uninformed statements.

[khunPer]

On 4/20/2024 at 7:21 AM, Liquorice said:

The point being, the OP doesn't want a 30-day extension at this point.
They have planned a stay of 150 days, and a 30-day extension at this point would mean extra costs.

So, please tell us what other options OP has...

[Liquorice]

3 hours ago, khunPer said:

So, please tell us what other options OP has...

Exactly what she is trying to do, get the entry stamp date corrected.

[DrJack54]

4 hours ago, khunPer said:

So, please tell us what other options OP has...

Good question.  Hopefully Samui immigration will correct stamp. Problem solved.

Not convinced that is a guarantee. 

Flights from Samui expensive back to Bangkok.

 

They mention 3 weeks on Samui then to "other islands" 

They can still achieve 150 day stay.

Just involves inconvenience and $$