6 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Congratulations on forming an opinion, what is its relevance to the price of fish and chips ?

To fish and chips nothing other than perhaps recycled vegetable oil . But I understand the question raised is when will Govts. introduce an identified  levy ( tax ) on EV charging stations ? And will that extend to the  home charger plug in wall socket arrangements people have?

 

2 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

But safe in yours… 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I never said that, another EV twist........🤔

1 minute ago, 0ffshore360 said:

To fish and chips nothing other than perhaps recycled vegetable oil . But I understand the question raised is when will Govts. introduce an identified  levy ( tax ) on EV charging stations ? And will that extend to the  home charger plug in wall socket arrangements people have?

 

If governments choose to levy electricity they will.

i very much doubt they will levy electricity I produce

Even if somehow electricity was taxed to the point where ev cost the same per km to run as an ice the ev still has better performance and lower maintenance costs, so what exactly is your problem ?

12 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Even if somehow electricity was taxed to the point where ev cost the same per km to run as an ice the ev still has better performance

 

The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. 

 

GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio.

3 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

If governments choose to levy electricity they will.

i very much doubt they will levy electricity I produce

Even if somehow electricity was taxed to the point where ev cost the same per km to run as an ice the ev still has better performance and lower maintenance costs, so what exactly is your problem ?

Whoah Neddy ! Less assumptive aggression please! I am merely adding opinion to an aspect of ev operating costs that I have never seen mentioned  or "factored in ". I do not own an ev but I do agree that in most ways they have an advantage over ICE  vehicles. The simplist explanation  to support my approval is explained  just the same as  EV versus ICEV.

But more to the point of  road/highway taxes to offset  costs of creation or maintaining I have yet to see mention of  such imposed on ev.

The historical imposition of fuel taxes theoretically based on providing  transport corridors has long  been made illegitimate by use of  public taxpayer funds to create toll roads operated for profit .  OSY !

Regardless it is road user levies that keep wheels turning.

Best efficiency  is  rail !

9 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. 

 

GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio.

Does the typical owner of an ev require 100 kph in seconds in urban streets?

^ No, so mythical better performance is not an issue.

Why can't  rational people come to terms with the fact that "horses for courses" still applies ?

Somewhere I recall reading that the average speed of a horse and carriage along the main street of New York in  the early  1900's was about  16 mph. 

Now supercars in traffic  average about  4 mph.

41 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them

Lack of parts,  Long period off the road waiting for parts from China ,No documentation on how to repair vehicles, mismatch in the viability of repairs Chinese costs vs European Costs

No Supply Chain

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/

Sounds like chaos in the BYD/MG after market service centers. Is it any different in Thailand 🇹🇭 or are the Chinese brands hanging their customers out to dry?

3 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

^ No, so mythical better performance is not an issue.

In "real " terms of usage for that majority? IMO  no.

 

4 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Does the typical owner of an ev require 100 kph in seconds in urban streets?

 

answer: no ...

 

neither a porsche, ferrari, lamborghini, mb or  even a transam ... but it is nice to have it ...

1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Sounds like chaos in the BYD/MG after market service centers. Is it any different in Thailand 🇹🇭 or are the Chinese brands hanging their customers out to dry?

Or are well funded lobby groups countering  competition  with  propaganda and bureaucratic  obstruction?

Perhaps not dis-similar to initial resistance to Japan then Korea then Taiwan then Chinese whatevers?

3 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

answer: no ...

 

neither a porsche, ferrari, lamborghini, mb or  even a transam ... but it is nice to have it ...

Lol. True for those who desire the image. Unfortunately the reality so often featured not only in Thailand is that money .does not purchase driving competency .

20 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Whoah Neddy ! Less assumptive aggression please! I am merely adding opinion to an aspect of ev operating costs that I have never seen mentioned  or "factored in ". I do not own an ev but I do agree that in most ways they have an advantage over ICE  vehicles. The simplist explanation  to support my approval is explained  just the same as  EV versus ICEV.

But more to the point of  road/highway taxes to offset  costs of creation or maintaining I have yet to see mention of  such imposed on ev.

The historical imposition of fuel taxes theoretically based on providing  transport corridors has long  been made illegitimate by use of  public taxpayer funds to create toll roads operated for profit .  OSY !

Regardless it is road user levies that keep wheels turning.

Best efficiency  is  rail !

“Most” fuel tax simply goes into consolidated revenue, wherever it actually gets spent is anyone’s guess, most would agree that not enough is actually spent on actual roads.

As ice decline and ev increase (or hydrogen, fairy dust, moon rocks etc) obviously money will be required from someone, somewhere to maintain road infrastructure.

Im of the opinion that over the next 20 yrs ice are going to be taxed to the point of oblivion, people want and need to breathe clean air.

At that point, will ev or other options be seen as cash cows to be harvested… likely yes, or we can walk.

3 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

“Most” fuel tax simply goes into consolidated revenue, wherever it actually gets spent is anyone’s guess, most would agree that not enough is actually spent on actual roads.

As ice decline and ev increase (or hydrogen, fairy dust, moon rocks etc) obviously money will be required from someone, somewhere to maintain road infrastructure.

Im of the opinion that over the next 20 yrs ice are going to be taxed to the point of oblivion, people want and need to breathe clean air.

At that point, will ev or other options be seen as cash cows to be harvested… likely yes, or we can walk.

Take it to the extreme then ...Will we be allowed outside ?

Just now, 0ffshore360 said:

Take it to the extreme then ...Will we be allowed outside ?

Of course we will

3 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Of course we will

I  feel...reassured !

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Real cars make vroom vroom, every toddler knows that! 😉 

What a nonsenses. Just stay beside a high-class ICE Car, hardly to hear the Engine running.

43 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Does the typical owner of an ev require 100 kph in seconds in urban streets?

 

This would be the only reason why I would buy one.

 

Would love a Lucid Sapphire, sadly my pockets are not deep enough .

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, UWEB said:

What a nonsenses. Just stay beside a high-class ICE Car, hardly to hear the Engine running.

Thanks for sharing your superior knowledge. 

The anti-EV amongst us are constantly arguing…

 

This could happen or that could happen or this will happen and that will happen….

 

The reality is nothing has happened and nothing probably will.

 

All the doom and gloom is nothing more than fantastic imagination.

1 hour ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Or are well funded lobby groups countering  competition  with  propaganda and bureaucratic  obstruction?

Perhaps not dis-similar to initial resistance to Japan then Korea then Taiwan then Chinese whatevers?

Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

 

24 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

 

I think the majority of parts for EV's  are supplied from China 

There will be a EV supply chain park opening at the end of this year

In current terms of economy, jobs supply chain ICE is the key provider example toyota hilux built in Thailand as built 90% from locally supported parts

https://aseannow.com/topic/1325045-chinese-firms-eye-ev-supply-chain-in-thailand’s-smart-park/#comment-18846391

 

2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

 

The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. 

 

GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio.

You’ve obviously never sat in an EV, much less driven one.

 

You should try it sometime, before common here and exposing your ignorance.

 

 

 

Reality can bite.

"Will hydrogen overtake batteries in the race for zero-emission cars?", by Jasper Jolly Feb. 13, 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/business/

• Batteries are already the post-petrol choice for almost every manufacturer.
• Batteries’ domination is likely to be extended as the money pouring into research and infrastructure addresses questions of range and charging times. Compared with that flood of investment, hydrogen is a trickle.
• Toyota acknowledges that hydrogen in cars has so far “not been successful”, mainly because of the lack of fuel supply, according to its technical chief, Hiroki Nakajima

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

You’ve obviously never sat in an EV, much less driven one.

 

You should try it sometime, before common here and exposing your ignorance.

 

 

 

Great video, very balanced.

4 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

 

Maybe, maybe not.  I recently had an accident in my wife's Honda HR-V. Nothing major, but a rear ender in traffic. It took six weeks to fix, and when I got it back the radiator was leaking so they took it back for another 10 days.

You have to wait for parts, I didn't go whining to a FB group.

Is 32 days too long? It would definitely be nice to be quicker, but it is a relatively new brand expanding quickly in Thailand. And my legacy brand took longer for less damage than that.

Aren't we really scraping the barrel now with this post finding a single person who thought their repair took too long?? She has some pretty extensive panel damage. Do they keep those body panels sitting around in all colours in warehouses? No. Do Honda? No. Do BMW? No. She also looks to have some not insignificant A pillar damage, not an easy fix.

 

32 days "without fixing a nut"? They order parts, wait for them to arrive then fix everything, just as they did with my HR-V.

It is just nonsense.

Maybe the new more reasonable EOW is no more?

 

 

33 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Maybe, maybe not.  I recently had an accident in my wife's Honda HR-V. Nothing major, but a rear ender in traffic. It took six weeks to fix, and when I got it back the radiator was leaking so they took it back for another 10 days.

You have to wait for parts, I didn't go whining to a FB group.

Is 32 days too long? It would definitely be nice to be quicker, but it is a relatively new brand expanding quickly in Thailand. And my legacy brand took longer for less damage than that.

Aren't we really scraping the barrel now with this post finding a single person who thought their repair took too long?? She has some pretty extensive panel damage. Do they keep those body panels sitting around in all colours in warehouses? No. Do Honda? No. Do BMW? No. She also looks to have some not insignificant A pillar damage, not an easy fix.

 

32 days "without fixing a nut"? They order parts, wait for them to arrive then fix everything, just as they did with my HR-V.

It is just nonsense.

Maybe the new more reasonable EOW is no more?

 

 

 

 

Too late to edit, but for @ExpatOilWorker if you smashed your BMW, bent the wheels, had significant body panel damage and A pillar damage would you have to wait for parts? More than 32 days? How long would your "Performance Motors" stickers take to be reprinted? That is obviously the most important thing, as a BMW is nothing without the stickers....

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Too late to edit, but for @ExpatOilWorker if you smashed your BMW, bent the wheels, had significant body panel damage and A pillar damage would you have to wait for parts? More than 32 days? How long would your "Performance Motors" stickers take to be reprinted? That is obviously the most important thing, as a BMW is nothing without the stickers....

You should try one of those BMWs - if you can afford them.

Most of them are fun, even without stickers.

 

 

 

 

23 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There should be no government support for BEVs, charging stations, end of life of real cars, etc.

If people want to buy EVs, ok, let them buy them. And if people choose real cars, that is also fine. Up to each individual.

Greata can walk. 

Agreed, nothing to do with climate control, I still believe it is all part of the future control. 15 minute cities, CBDC, etc. People may tell me to adjust the tin hat, but you only have to look towards the banks to see what is happening.