1 hour ago, susanlea said:

Tell me what % of seats Move Forward won? 

You are demanding %age figures when you admit that your original post was made up based on your personal estimates.  Sounds fair!

Thank God they are in Thailand and not painting our artworks or airports orange!😁😂😓

One reason could be more lefties are illequiped both emotionally and perhaps financially to remain in the USA So they seek refuge in LOS.

3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Fact, he was elected as a national socialist.

 

In fact the Nazi regime murdered ten's of thousands socialists. Hitler did not express Socialist ideology in Mein Kampf. The rich industrialists supported Hitler due to his support for industrial expansion to support the planned war effort. Hitler was not elected as Chancellor, he was appointed by Hindenburg

 

 Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after the parliamentary elections of July and November 1932 had not resulted in the formation of a majority government – despite the fact that Hitler had been Hindenburg's opponent in the presidential election only 9 months earlier. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_rise_to_power#:~:text=Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint,election only 9 months earlier.

 

19 hours ago, mokwit said:

Silly word games are just that. Same applies to the DDR vs BRD. Not really something that proves anything about Germany 33-45.

 

Hitlers power base was the 'common' people, not the Junkerklasse who despised him.

Another example to try and help you understand.

Not silly word games, names chosen to mislead.

You see the "Legitimate Businessman's Social Club" is not what the name would suggest.

 

19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thailand rightwing?

 

National health service, free schooling, heavily subsidized public universities, price controls on fuels and essential foods, government controlled rice and agricultural product markets, large effective civil service, on going centralized government run national development plans.

 

I don’t think Thailand fits western definitions of political right/left.

 

 

 

A bloated and corrupt military that interferes constantly in politics.A feudal establishment that demands obedience on penalty of imprisonment or even death.The dominance of a few gigantic corporations that squeeze smaller concerns.One of the most unequal societies on earth with wealth concentrated in a tiny minority.Structural issues that prevent Thailand from breaking out of the middle income category.

 

I agree the left/right labels don't fit but you have been somewhat selective in identifying the salient factors.Therefore a few other aspects to consider.

To address the OP question, if accurate,  could well be the poor social services for the less fortunate e.g. Non State pensioners only receive 600 baht pcm for support. It seems US citizens have a bee in their bonnet regards providing assistance to the less well off, whereas nearly all other Western countries provide welfare services e.g. universal healthcare which appears to be anathema to many from the US.

 

Not forgetting very poor record for freedom of expression and other issues we are not permitted to reference on this platform.

35 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

 

A fine and moving speech. Love it. Seen it a time or 2 previously. However, cumulatively the facts, many of which Jeff Daniels mentioned, are indisputable. And in a mere 200 years...compared to Eurasia's millennia. No contest. 👍

32 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

It's 75%.....no, hang on, it's 60%..........no, hang on again, it's just an estimate.  You have now completely undermined your original post and shown it to be along the lines of, 'it's not fair, people on here don't agree with me!'.

The Trump is strong in this one - in a Yoda voice.

It doesnt bother me. Just wondering why move to a right wing nation if you are left. I respect people whose actions match their politics.

 

 

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

In fact the Nazi regime murdered ten's of thousands socialists. Hitler did not express Socialist ideology in Mein Kampf. The rich industrialists supported Hitler due to his support for industrial expansion to support the planned war effort. Hitler was not elected as Chancellor, he was appointed by Hindenburg

 

 Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after the parliamentary elections of July and November 1932 had not resulted in the formation of a majority government – despite the fact that Hitler had been Hindenburg's opponent in the presidential election only 9 months earlier. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_rise_to_power#:~:text=Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint,election only 9 months earlier.

He murdered 6m jews mostly capitalists. Your whole argument is flawed.

29 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

You are demanding %age figures when you admit that your original post was made up based on your personal estimates.  Sounds fair!

Elections are documented. Farang opinions are not. It is not rational to compare a formal election with farangs.

30 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

One reason could be more lefties are illequiped both emotionally and perhaps financially to remain in the USA So they seek refuge in LOS.

One reason could be more lefties are better equipped both emotionally and perhaps financially to take care of their Thai wife and offspring and are willing to compromise for their betterment.

1 minute ago, susanlea said:

It doesnt bother me. Just wondering why move to a right wing nation if you are left. I respect people whose actions match their politics.

 

 

My reasons for living where I live are personal, whilst my politics are irrelevant to that choice.  Your assumption that I am a leftist is ridiculous in the extreme.  Not that it's any of your business but I have never voted for a left wing candidate in my life.  An individual should not be defined by which group or person they blindly follow but by their actions as part of society.

Just now, animalmagic said:

My reasons for living where I live are personal, whilst my politics are irrelevant to that choice.  Your assumption that I am a leftist is ridiculous in the extreme.  Not that it's any of your business but I have never voted for a left wing candidate in my life.  An individual should not be defined by which group or person they blindly follow but by their actions as part of society.

I never said you were left. I don't know you.

22 hours ago, susanlea said:

Hitler was a socialist so most people were to his right.

You really don't know history, do you?

 

The Nazis were right wing Fascists, but they put "socialist" in their name to pick up support.

5 minutes ago, susanlea said:

I never said you were left. I don't know you.

How many user names do you have now?

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You really don't know history, do you?

 

The Nazis were right wing Fascists, but they put "socialist" in their name to pick up support.

Left wing totalitarians actually. Mussolini was a left wing fascist.

 

I'm always correcting you.

17 minutes ago, susanlea said:

It doesnt bother me. Just wondering why move to a right wing nation if you are left. I respect people whose actions match their politics.

 

 

Your assertion that Thailand is right wing is based on ........?

Because true patriots do not abandon their country and become immigrants in another country.

Just now, susanlea said:

Left wing totalitarians actually. Mussonlini was a left wing fascist.

 

I'm always correcting you.

Mussolini started as a socialist but changed his position when he was older, and became a right wing Fascists.

 

The Nazis were extreme right wingers.

 

Ever heard of a Nazi DEI hire?

3 minutes ago, PBob said:

Because true patriots do not abandon their country and become immigrants in another country.

I assume you have never been to Thailand.

46 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

One reason could be more lefties are illequiped both emotionally and perhaps financially to remain in the USA So they seek refuge in LOS.

I assume you have never been to Thailand.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

I assume you have never been to Thailand.

Thailand is great for right wingers. Loads of freedom. Loads of pure capitalism.

20 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Elections are documented. Farang opinions are not. It is not rational to compare a formal election with farangs.

It's not rational to declare an election rigged without documentation; especially after multiple failed court cases alleging that fact!

On 8/1/2024 at 9:12 AM, susanlea said:

Thailand is more right wing than left but it appears that 75% of farangs are centre left to far left. Why move to a right wing nation? Why spend 8 years whingeing about Trump?

 

 

 

Oh! Look mum! Another Trump thread!!!!

15 minutes ago, PBob said:

Because true patriots do not abandon their country and become immigrants in another country.

Every one of your ancestors did!

22 hours ago, susanlea said:

Google it. 

I did and i can't find it!

17 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Thailand is great for right wingers. Loads of freedom. Loads of pure capitalism.

Where is your "right to bear arms" here?

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

 

Another example to try and help you understand.

Not silly word games, names chosen to mislead.

You see the "Legitimate Businessman's Social Club" is not what the name would suggest.

 

Look, if I am talking about control of the means of production, a defining feature of Socialism, then I would have thought it would indicate that I have not just seen "Socialism" in the name and assumed it was socialism. The controlled what was produced and which sectors the banks could lend to - there is a detailed description as to how they controlled the financial system out there. It was the fact that they were controlling the financial system for the benefit of their country that put them at odds with another system. For sure it might not be Socialism as defined by a political science academic.

 

Volkswagen means people's car - a car for the masses. People were promoted to positions that only the aristocracy and junkerklasse previously held. Again it might not be Socialism as defined by a political science academic, but it was de facto socialism.

 

I don't need your help to understand because I already do, it is you who don't and thinks because it had Socialism in the name I am thinking it must be socialism purely on that basis. You think I am unaware as to how names are used to pretend something is not what it is, and yes I know Hitler himself is on record as saying we should never have called ourselves "socialist", but they did that to attract votes, but it was much closer to means of production Socialism than laissez faire capitalism or the protection of the privileges of an elite class like South American 1970's right wing Governments.

 

Perhaps it would be better if you stopped simplistically "correcting" me and explained what German National socialism actually was in your understanding.

 

 

Easy one.

 

"America love it or leave it"

 

So they here.