3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Democracy hasn't worked, maybe time to try something else.

Currently, the US has the best system in a world with decreasing freedom. Its not perfect, but Americans can complain about it and other countries currently cannot

8 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Currently, the US has the best system in a world with decreasing freedom. Its not perfect, but Americans can complain about it and other countries currently cannot

I don't give a flying one about the USA, your 'best system' gave you Trump and Biden.

 

Democracy in the EU and UK has flooded our countries with Muslims, turned our police forces into government stormtroopers, removed our rights to free speech, removed housing from the reach of the workers and pensioners, and basically priced white folk out of their own countries.

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't give a flying one about the USA, your 'best system' gave you Trump and Biden.

 

Democracy in the EU and UK has flooded our countries with Muslims, turned our police forces into government stormtroopers, removed our rights to free speech, removed housing from the reach of the workers and pensioners, and basically priced white folk out of their own countries.

When you referred to democracy i assumed you meant the US. I dont consider any of the countries in the EU as democracies

13 hours ago, swissie said:

Globally, autocratic right wingers are being elected into office by "little people".

Don't they know that the dismantling of any Social Security Concept is high on their agenda? Their gospel as far as this is concernd is: "Let them eat s*hit and let them die".

Why do little people vote for their executioners?

 

You misunderstand the motives of the electorate.

In the UK, people voted against the Conservatives and embraced a left leaning collection of irresponsible nitwits in Labour, or an extremist right collection of buffoons or  milquetoast Social Democrats. The British people were frustrated and fed up.

 

In the USA , people voted against the status quo. The Trump vote  was always there. All that happened is that many Democrat voters sat on their hands and did not vote or,  they wanted to send a message to the party that they were fed up with the  double speak and the attempt to be all things to all people. The support for Trump will evaporate in 2 years, because no matter what he does  for their benefit, some voters are chronic complainers and blamers.

 

People are fickle and are unreasonable in their expectations and demands from politicians.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Democracy hasn't worked, maybe time to try something else.

 

They said that in 1930's. 

What could go wrong?

13 hours ago, theblether said:

Why do left wing delusionists forget the murderous regimes of Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao? 

 

The left has murdered far more humans than the right by a country mile, not even close. 

 

But here's the fundamental problem. Left wingers think they are immune. They are and never have been immune, they are the fodder. They always have been and always will be. 

 

And here's what I have to say to the OP. Any European alive during the Soviet era should feel humiliated at posting utter drivel like this on the Internet. Truly shameful. 

 

We witnessed what the Marxists and communists did to Europe. Horrendous. And it will take at least another 50 years for Europe to recover. 

 

Shame on the OP for posting this - utter shame. 

Its typical of the Socialists, an ideology that mandates authoritarian principles, just hurl slogans and ignore National Socialism.

 

Little people dont matter to the Socialists. Led by the vanguard, they are all building the future of humanity, like the workers paradise, and the the aryan volksgemeineshaft. The Future. Everyone is a cog in the piece of history. Only 'they" can lead and others must die.

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

You must be joking.

 

Right wing fear mongering?!?  Who was bleating on and on about Hitler

Vance

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

So everyone is dumb that doesn't think like you, Or is everyone just dumb?

Some people look at policies and details.

But most dont and go by slogans.

Even more worrying is the fact that 74,936,918 Americans actually wanted Harris to be their president!  Let that sink in.  🤦‍♂️

39 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Some people look at policies and details.

But most dont and go by slogans.

Would you be refering to maga?

16 hours ago, swissie said:

The OP is not ashamed. The above mentioned potentates were not democratically elected. As opposed to today, where the little people elect their future autokrats into office.

 

The OP is not thinking straight. I suggest the OP waits a few weeks as the American left are about to pull the largest attack upon democracy since the Civil War. The rule of law will be undermined by the Democrat party. 

 

Shame on any delusionist who supports an attack on the rule of law while calling others authoritarian. Shame. 

51 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Would you be refering to maga?

Not really, but many maga are suckers for the anti trans, deep state, immigrants etc sound bites.

4 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Not really, but many maga are suckers for the anti trans, deep state, immigrants etc sound bites.

I would hazard a guess you are only referring to maga because you think of them all as mulleted dungaree wearing rednecks, as the media portrayed them and brainwashed you into thinking, from in the beginning, when the truth is quite different.

I am not going to check, but i will also hazard a guess that the majority of your posts are on Trump threads

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:44 PM, NoDisplayName said:

On the another hand, why do communistic, socialist left-wing slaves vote for their plantation masters?

 

Responses to post:

 

Confused = 2

Sad = 4

Thumbs Up = 4

Agree = 4

 

Pretty much sums up the recent US election.

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Globally, autocratic right wingers are being elected into office by "little people".

Don't they know that the dismantling of any Social Security Concept is high on their agenda? Their gospel as far as this is concernd is: "Let them eat s*hit and let them die".

Why do little people vote for their executioners?

Maybe little brain, little thought, little education, little lambs mobbing to slaughter.

On 12/5/2024 at 3:17 PM, MalcolmB said:

Not really, but many maga are suckers for the anti trans, deep state, immigrants etc sound bites.

Anti-trans is pro Humanity

On 12/5/2024 at 2:47 PM, theblether said:

 

The OP is not thinking straight. I suggest the OP waits a few weeks as the American left are about to pull the largest attack upon democracy since the Civil War. The rule of law will be undermined by the Democrat party. 

 

Shame on any delusionist who supports an attack on the rule of law while calling others authoritarian. Shame. 

The OP is not thinking straight⁉️That's rich.

 

Time you grab a mirror and have a good long look. The above post is perhaps the most delusional ever. 

The right wing emergence is fueled by objections to mass  muslim dominated illegal immigration sanctioned by woke politicians

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Why do little people vote for their executioners?

They do so, as they also have in the USA, either because they've been duped by false information or because they actually have some of the same selfish values their executioners have out of a desire for revenge on the supposed and delusional "deep state." 

On 12/5/2024 at 1:58 PM, mdr224 said:

Currently, the US has the best system in a world with decreasing freedom. Its not perfect, but Americans can complain about it and other countries currently cannot

 

Actually, Australia does. Norway is not too bad either.

In the Uk the most popular babies name was Muhammed in 2023.

4600 muslim babies where registered with that name. 

Over 60% of births registered in the UK where born to foreign mothers. in 2023

Dont ask why right wing  opinion is gaining ground in many countries including the Uk. 

10 hours ago, WDSmart said:

They do so, as they also have in the USA, either because they've been duped by false information or because they actually have some of the same selfish values their executioners have out of a desire for revenge on the supposed and delusional "deep state." 

True, almost half the electorate voted Harris/Walz, duped by false information or because they actually have some of the same selfish values their executioners have out of a desire to increase their own wealth and power. Fortunately, that deluded segment lost again this time. 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Globally, autocratic right wingers are being elected into office by "little people".

 

More autocratic than the left-wingers? How so?🤣

 

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Don't they know that the dismantling of any Social Security Concept is high on their agenda?

 

How could they, since you don't know that? Nobody said anything about doing any such thing. You've merely sucked up an old Dem lie they always repeat every election.

 

Left-wingers, however, have already ensured the bankruptcy of USA Social Security in about nine years.🙂

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Their gospel as far as this is concernd is: "Let them eat s*hit and let them die".

 

 

Utter nonsense.

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Why do little people vote for their executioners?

 

Well, you'll have to ask all those Kamala supporters. Many of them, such as teachers' unions, are paid off. Others believe the perennial lie that Dems are going to give them all that free stuff. So they don't mind if Biden spends their money, from the poor and working class, to bail out college kids to took out loans at private unis to major in gender studies, for example.

 

Last Biden pardon of student loans could cost $600,000,000,000

 

WHY? Good question. Or spend all those billions on illegal migrant benefits or allow criminals and homeless to take over the inner cities, or allow drag queens to groom their kids. Or accept all that inflation their salaries haven't kept up with:

 

 

Must be that like yourself they accept the DNC and their media propagandists' assurances that none of it is real, or, if it is, it's somehow Trump's fault.🤣 

 

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 PM, swissie said:

Why do little people vote for their executioners?

 

Because the majority of them are dumb as rocks.

The first step is to understand that people don't see it this way, OP, and that expressing it this way doesn't actually do much to engage those whose minds you wish to change in conversation. 

A lot of the reason is that people just don't have time. They have things to do. And so that will tilt them more into their bias because it's much easier to take the word of someone who already agrees with you and is rationalizing it for you, than it would be for you to be actively engaged in the political process or in any local social systems that are attempting to replace broken political systems.

Now in my opinion, that will always serve the ends of whoever gets power, regardless of their political affiliation. Which means there's an incentive to systematize much more casual participation in social and political systems, especially at scale. 

But additionally, it incentivizes a very particular kind of political landscape; the politician that wins will almost always be one who runs on a simple platform: "The only thing you have to do is vote for me, and I will take care of everything". And that's what we're seeing. People would rather pass the hard work off to someone they believe in, or at least who says the right things, than to take an active role in improving their community and country themselves. It's down to this: the world has gotten big, messy, loud, and complicated. Mass media and social media have made it impossible to quickly tell the difference between a truth and a lie. What do people do when they have no reasonably efficient way to parse reality? They will have to trust their instinct. And their instinct will always lean towards whatever is most self-beneficial: trust the leader because he says that's all you have to do, and you can focus on your family and your work. 

Now, unfortunately, the truth is that the answer to your question is even more complicated than that. But I would definitely say some introspection is in order here.

On 12/4/2024 at 9:50 PM, frank83628 said:

You clearly don't understand that some people don't agree with you. They want a different route, that's what democracy is supposed to be about right? 

That's wrong. Autocratism is not a democracy.

On 12/5/2024 at 10:53 AM, BritManToo said:

Democracy hasn't worked, maybe time to try something else.

Try it. Spend a year or so in Russia, eg lovely Petersburg, and tell us next year about your special time there. ❤️

On 12/4/2024 at 8:50 AM, Walker88 said:

Perhaps a cult member has inside info on "a plan we'll be releasing in two weeks; some people are saying it's the most amazing plan they've ever seen". (Anyone who has listened to 45/47 knows this silly, albeit regularly issued line.)

 

"People are coming up to me with tears in their eyes, they never thought in their lives they would ever see such a plan  . . .  "

Soon, yet again, next week will be infrastructure week, and always will be.

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:41 AM, swissie said:

Globally, autocratic right wingers are being elected into office by "little people".

Don't they know that the dismantling of any Social Security Concept is high on their agenda? Their gospel as far as this is concernd is: "Let them eat s*hit and let them die".

Why do little people vote for their executioners?

Why lie? 

On 12/5/2024 at 4:09 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

Who is it that you have in mind that wants to "do away with democracy" and has stated that as an intention?

I have listed a number of European countries "at risk" above already. Forgot to add Turkey.

Their "party manifests" clearly show where they see the "European Future".