Frustrated with Thai Immigration - 90 day online report frustrations

[IvorBiggun2]

9 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I was ecstatic and it actually made my Christmas (sad to report I know) so now I know that it works here it will be my regular process from here on in!!! Merry Christmas!

 

Come back in 5 years, or so, and let us know how many times your online report application has been rejected even though you still fill out the report with the same info as you did in the beginning. I would say 50% of my online reports have been rejected even though nothing has changed over the years.

[KannikaP]

15 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Well here's a positive post as regards 90 day reports, which I have always executed in person at the local immigration office in Patong, but with the traffic being so bad I decided to try the "online" route – – and lo and behold it worked, and I got a reply within a matter of hours saying that my information had been recorded and my next 90 day report was in March of next year!!!

 

I was ecstatic and it actually made my Christmas (sad to report I know) so now I know that it works here it will be my regular process from here on in!!! Merry Christmas!

Online has worked 6 times for me, even after a return from abroad. Before that I only need to take my Passport, no form, to IO in Phitsanulok, in the reader, Receipt came out. Done.

[quake]

On-line reporting,  is only as good as the monkey on the other end.

TIT

 

 

[Tropicalevo]

2 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Last month my online 90 day report was rejected, no reason given, and after wasting much of the day and loads of petrol CW announced that my rejection was because my TM 30 had expired.

 

Your problems seem to have started because of an expired TM 30.

Many folk on this site state that if you live in the same address, you do not need to do a TM 30 when you return from holiday.

Technically, that may be correct but as we always find out, different immigration people interpret the rules differently.

I find life easier and more simple if I always update the TM 30 when I get home.

[ChaiyaTH]

15 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

Your problems seem to have started because of an expired TM 30.

Many folk on this site state that if you live in the same address, you do not need to do a TM 30 when you return from holiday.

Technically, that may be correct but as we always find out, different immigration people interpret the rules differently.

I find life easier and more simple if I always update the TM 30 when I get home.

I always need to do a fresh and new TM30 that is longer than the extension is or at least until the extension... Super weird too because who says i will stay there the entire duration, or know upfront how long and where i will be. I could take a christmas holiday too. This entire system makes no sense but whatever... 

I just use a fixed address now where I have TM30 access myself from the landlord. All they want is these papers, the actual reality or facts is unimportant to them.

 

For the DTV visa nobody seems to need and do it either, even they have to do it they don't.

[JoseThailand]

4 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Should be more overstayers in the future id imagine. They dont make it easy to follow their rules

 

You mean "over-90-day-reporters" ? Nasty criminals

[PJ71]

4 hours ago, proton said:

 

Agents are for the lazy, the clueless and those without the needed funds. Anyone can call themselves an agent, totally unregulated with no accountability. Almost parasites.

hahaha, so basically you're poor - lol

 

Agents remove all hassle, simple.

[billd766]

21 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

You are not alone.  About a year ago I got the same message.  Rejected and come to the office.  I now go in person and do the report.  Transparency and efficiency are not the hallmarks of the Land of Smiles. This would be an issue if one lives far from the nearest immigrtion office.  

Why would this be an issue?

 

I live 70km from the Kamphaeng Phet IO and I have always met with politeness and efficiency there.

 

I had a problem this year when I got my passport replaced but that was my fault and not theirs.

 

They even called my wife several days before but I believed that I was right and that they were wrong.

 

I was fined 500 thb for overstaying 1 day and the IO sorted me out with a 60 day visa to visit my wife and family on the spot. At the end of that period they re-instated my marriage extension without a problem.

 

At 80, I now use a walking stick and have a breathing problem sometimes. The staff always offer to help me in and out of the office from/to the car if I need help.

 

My wife, who is NOT a wifey, usually does that, in addition to being my driver.

[billd766]

Just now, quake said:

On-line reporting,  is only as good as the monkey on the other end.

TIT

 

 

IMHO, it is only as good as the monkey at each end.

[proton]

17 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

hahaha, so basically you're poor - lol

 

Agents remove all hassle, simple.

 

Not poor, but do not support unqualified, unregistered, unaccountable parasites. 

[PJ71]

5 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Not poor, but do not support unqualified, unregistered, unaccountable parasites. 

But willing to sacrifice your own time to deal with morons, ok - up to you.

[HappyExpat57]

Chanthaburi IO is just as bad. Been here over two years, the online reporting system worked ONCE. Not the latest, but the one right before, so I KNOW it's up to human interpretation - in other words, the mood of the frickin' officer that day. I'm fortunate enough to live less than two clicks away and, as it's a smaller place, there's never much of a line. STILL a nuisance.

[PJ71]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I live 70km from the Kamphaeng Phet IO and I have always met with politeness and efficiency there.

 

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

At 80, I now use a walking stick and have a breathing problem sometimes.

Bottom quote is why you're always met with politeness and efficiciency.

[DrJack54]

The online 90 day reporting is a broken system.

Best thing that occured in recent years (June 2020)  was that TM30 was no longer required for stays in another provience or travel abroad.

Only for change of address.

So now we have reports concerning online reports.

Seems down to marrying TM30 with online reporting.

I'm not about to deal with broken system.

No TM30 or TM47 reporting for me.

Same address for 12+ years and travel often including abroad.

Will cop 2000b fine for next annual extension end 2025 happily for not filing TM47..

[sqwakvfr]

21 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Why would this be an issue?

 

I live 70km from the Kamphaeng Phet IO and I have always met with politeness and efficiency there.

 

I had a problem this year when I got my passport replaced but that was my fault and not theirs.

 

They even called my wife several days before but I believed that I was right and that they were wrong.

 

I was fined 500 thb for overstaying 1 day and the IO sorted me out with a 60 day visa to visit my wife and family on the spot. At the end of that period they re-instated my marriage extension without a problem.

 

At 80, I now use a walking stick and have a breathing problem sometimes. The staff always offer to help me in and out of the office from/to the car if I need help.

 

My wife, who is NOT a wifey, usually does that, in addition to being my driver.

Some are not in great health, are mobility challenged and do not own a car.  Just something to think about.. Also no two Immigration offices are alike.  Some offer great service and some do not.  It's like whatt Forrest Gump said "like a box of chocolates". 

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

 

Bottom quote is why you're always met with politeness and efficiciency.

The guy you quoted deals with Kamphaeng Phet.

The OP is dealing with CW.

The guy you quoted with mobility and breathing issues would have VERY different report if dealing with CW.

The carpark to immigration office would be major task.

The system is broken 

[PJ71]

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The guy you quoted deals with Kamphaeng Phet.

The OP is dealing with CW.

The guy you quoted with mobility and breathing issues would have VERY different report if dealing with CW.

The carpark to immigration office would be major task.

The system is broken 

Anything to do with immigration involves cretins, but thanks for pointing that out.

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

Anything to do with immigration involves cretins, but thanks for pointing that out.

Personally I don't put it onto the immigration officers.

 

More that Thailand has some ridiculous requirements for expats for ongoing living here.

TM30 and TM47 are two standout examples 

Ludicrous if immigration thinks  this  actually provides "tracking" to assist with good guys in bad out...

 

[Airalee]

24 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Personally I don't put it onto the immigration officers.

 

More that Thailand has some ridiculous requirements for expats for ongoing living here.

TM30 and TM47 are two standout examples 

Ludicrous if immigration thinks  this  actually provides "tracking" to assist with good guys in bad out...

 

I think it would be great if we could schedule appointments with immigration for them to come to our homes for any and all necessary services.  I’d gladly pay ฿1,000 for a CW immigration officer to meet me at my condo for my 90 day appointments, tm30s and visa extensions.  
 

It would actually be a great money maker for the government as they could easily pull in more money in revenue than the salaries needed for the additional “mobile immigration officers”

 

On another topic….did I read you correctly that tm30s are no longer required when returning from a trip abroad if returning to the same address? (Owned condo in my case)

[PJ71]

35 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

More that Thailand has some ridiculous requirements for expats for ongoing living here.

yes, this is a fair comment.

[billd766]

Just now, PJ71 said:

 

Bottom quote is why you're always met with politeness and efficiciency.

Wrong again.

 

I have always been always met with politeness and efficiency, both there and at Nakhon Sawan where I used to report before Kamphaeng Phet was opened up. I didn't use a walking stick then and I used to drive myself the 135 km each way.

 

Perhaps it is simply my attitude which may well be different to yours, or perhaps all the IO offices are not the same.

[PJ71]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Wrong again.

 

I have always been always met with politeness and efficiency, both there and at Nakhon Sawan where I used to report before Kamphaeng Phet was opened up. I didn't use a walking stick then and I used to drive myself the 135 km each way.

 

Perhaps it is simply my attitude which may well be different to yours, or perhaps all the IO offices are not the same.

My attitude with IO is great as i never see them...

 

Have a good xmas!

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I have always been always met with politeness and efficiency, both there and at Nakhon Sawan where I used to report before Kamphaeng Phet was opened up.

You are dealing with offices in the sticks.

The OP specifically mentioned CW.

Test your walking stick and breathing and politeness at CW and report back. 

[connda]

I managed to get one out of the last 5 accepted. 

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, Airalee said:

On another topic….did I read you correctly that tm30s are no longer required when returning from a trip abroad if returning to the same address?

That came into effect June 2020.

Recently did back flip to try and sync online reporting with TM30.

Ineptitude 

[billd766]

Just now, DrJack54 said:

You are dealing with offices in the sticks.

The OP specifically mentioned CW.

Test your walking stick and breathing and politeness at CW and report back. 

And the topic is 

 Not a specific office or a specific IO.

[Airalee]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And the topic is 

 Not a specific office or a specific IO.

Try reading the first paragraph instead of just the title 

[DrJack54]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And the topic is 

 Not a specific office or a specific IO.

From OP, first sentence.....

"......and after wasting much of the day and loads of petrol CW announced that my rejection ..."

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Personally I don't put it onto the immigration officers.

 

More that Thailand has some ridiculous requirements for expats for ongoing living here.

 

 

 

Some places, you actually put it onto the office, and their officers

 

Something I was aware of before I got my first long term visa. Still not that bad, just annoying every time they figure something new out, and new excuses because there is a change to the provided proofs of existence or not.

 

If we could finely gain permanent stay after 5 years, it could have been worth it, even paying taxes, but to be honest, there is no reward att the end, just continously insecurity and unpredictable future continue staying here for the future. 

 

 

[0ffshore360]

2 hours ago, PJ71 said:

But willing to sacrifice your own time to deal with morons, ok - up to you.

Have you not yet comprehended the reality that IO Personel can and do only what the system they work in allows them to do?

The "system" is marginally integrated and probably with some deliberation in avoiding centralized oversight for (devious) hidden reason.

In my 20+ years of dealing with several provincial IMM locations if all and any documentations listed in official Thai Immigration website for any particular application is presented I have never had a problem.

One document I always add to the top of the stack for such as annual extension of stay is a printout of said such requirements and a tick mark against each on the list.

After a recent re-entry went in person for a re-set of 90 day which was completed inside of 15 minutes despite a room full of other foreigners .

I actually admire the resilient composure of Immigration staff who have to deal endlessly with individuals who are lacking respect, communication skills, and with too many who interact with your mindset that they are moronic.

And that despite the fact that the Thai system enables people to  stay and live so relatively easily.