An inquest has determined that the use of lethal force by SAS soldiers in the 1992 ambush that killed four IRA members in Clonoe, County Tyrone, was unjustified. Kevin Barry O'Donnell, 21, Sean O'Farrell, 22, Peter Clancy, 21, and Patrick Vincent, 20, were shot dead minutes after carrying out a gun attack on Coalisland police station.  

 

The men had arrived at St Patrick’s Church car park in a hijacked lorry fitted with a heavy machine gun welded to the tailgate when SAS soldiers, who had been lying in wait behind a hedgerow, opened fire. Security forces had intelligence that the car park would be used, and 12 soldiers were in position before the men arrived.  

 

 

Following the ruling, Downing Street stated, "Addressing the issues of the past must be done in a way that commands the support of families, survivors and, importantly, the families of those killed serving the state." A spokesperson added that "any veteran who served during the Troubles is provided legal support where appropriate."  

 

 

The IRA unit had fired 60 shots at Coalisland police station about 20 minutes before they were killed, though no one was injured in the attack. When the lorry drove into the car park, SAS soldiers opened fire without warning, discharging more than 500 rounds. The soldiers later stated that their actions were justified to protect their own lives and those of their colleagues.  

 

 

However, coroner Mr Justice Michael Humphreys ruled that the use of lethal force "cannot have been reasonable," noting that there was no attempt to arrest the men, even after they were wounded. He stated that the soldiers would have known the IRA members would need to dismount the machine gun, which would have improved the possibility of an arrest. "The operation was not planned and controlled in such a way as to minimise to the greatest extent possible the need for recourse to lethal force," he said.  

 

Mr Justice Humphreys also criticised state agencies for "perpetuating falsehoods" about the incident, as it had been described at the time as a gun battle, despite the IRA men not having fired on the soldiers. A Ministry of Defence document even referred to the operation as "an excellent security forces success."  

 

Solicitor Niall Murphy responded to the ruling by saying, "Anyone who sat through those months of hearings, the inescapable conclusion, the only conclusion is the verdict the judge has found today." He added, "Whereas truth has been excavated and published today, justice has not." Murphy indicated that legal options would be considered, stating, "We're going to carefully consider this verdict with regards to any prospect of prosecutions."  

Speaking to BBC News NI, Murphy suggested that "the families will expect a file to be prepared for submission to the Public Prosecution Service." Sinn Féin MP Cathal Mallaghan welcomed the decision, calling on the British government to "fully repeal and replace the Legacy Act." He said the ruling "confirms what many in our community knew for a long time; that these four men were executed by the SAS without justification."  

 

However, Ulster Unionist Party justice spokesperson Doug Beattie dismissed the ruling, calling it "ludicrous." He argued, "Instead of dead police officers, civilians and lawful military personnel, four PIRA terrorists were killed. It is ludicrous to say that the shooting was unjustified."

 

Based on a report by BBC 2025-02-08

 

 

This is an outrage. Every one of those terrorist <deleted>bags deserved to burn.

The lads went there in that truck to kill people.

But they died instead.

Oh dear never mind.

 

"Mr Justice Humphreys also criticised state agencies for "perpetuating falsehoods" about the incident, as it had been described at the time as a gun battle, despite the IRA men not having fired on the soldiers"

 

The fact that the IRA had guns, means they were prepared to use them, they didn't have a chance to fire , so it was a win win for the SAS!

Unjustified my arse

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Justice Humphreys also criticised state agencies for "perpetuating falsehoods" about the incident, as it had been described at the time as a gun battle, despite the IRA men not having fired on the soldiers. A Ministry of Defence document even referred to the operation as "an excellent security forces success.

Thank you for your statement and decision.👍

Rewriting history according to the current ultra-liberal climate. Terrorists were dealt with appropriately.

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Justice Michael Humphreys ruled that the use of lethal force "cannot have been reasonable," noting that there was no attempt to arrest the men

I'm confused. Is the SAS a police force, trained and empowered to legally arrest people? Would they also have had the duty to read them their rights?

In essence, if you wanna arrest people for a later trial, use the police. If you are not interested for these people to stand trial, use soldiers. 

But the wording that this was "unjustified" puts the blame on the soldiers, while it should be on the agencies who selected the soldiers for the task.

3 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

I'm confused. Is the SAS a police force, trained and empowered to legally arrest people? Would they also have had the duty to read them their rights?

In essence, if you wanna arrest people for a later trial, use the police. If you are not interested for these people to stand trial, use soldiers. 

But the wording that this was "unjustified" puts the blame on the soldiers, while it should be on the agencies who selected the soldiers for the task.

The SAS were not police, but neither were they judge and jury.

 

Clearly they were executioners

But you are correct:

 

“But the wording that this was "unjustified" puts the blame on the soldiers, while it should be on the agencies who selected the soldiers for the task.”

War does have consequences. The size of the gun welded on the back of the truck tells us they were going to continue the war. Perhaps asking them to surrender was never going to happen but that is the consequence of thinking you are hard men.

1 minute ago, Purdey said:

War does have consequences. The size of the gun welded on the back of the truck tells us they were going to continue the war. Perhaps asking them to surrender was never going to happen but that is the consequence of thinking you are hard men.

 

These events did not occur during a war, civil law was still in place. 
 

 

So just minutes after they had carried out a terror attack as active service members of the IRA, trying to kill police they then get shot and killed themselves by the SAS. Som nam na.

 

Jeremy Corbyn will be pleased with this result. 

 

Absolute farce

1 hour ago, klauskunkel said:

'm confused. Is the SAS a police force, trained and empowered to legally arrest people?

Yes, they had the power of detention.

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, they had the power of detention.

 

I don't know about the SAS, but I do know from personal experience that virtually all army training at the time was tailored to 'IS', or Internal Security. It was essentially police training, months of it before deployment, basic law including arrest grounds and techniques, riot control and so on. All under the motto of 'minimum force required to do the job'. I can honestly say that in '74 my unit lived by that. 

 

I'm not denying by any means that there were many awful egregious and deadly failures on the part of the army on the ground and policy makers. Maybe that's an inevitable side effect  in civil conflicts like that where deadly force is being used on both sides.

 

I also understood back then that if I'd been a young catholic man brought up on the Falls Road, I'd have been looking down the sights of a rifle in exactly the opposite direction to the sights I was looking down as a young Brit soldier. That's what these young guys were doing.

 

It looks like arrests were possible after a lot of experts have had the chance to sift through all the evidence for months on end. I'm sure none of them wanted to come to unfair conclusions and were interested only in the truth of the situation. It has nothing to do with 'woke' or any such garbage. I don't think the SAS is a gang of executioners. I have known some.

 

The article doesn't say but if those guys were carrying small arms as well as that .50 sized monster then I can't guarantee I would have attempted an arrest either.

 

At least those PIRA operatives were acting like soldiers and must have been aware of the risks. I have immense respect for that even if I basically don't like the idea of people running around blasting off on Somali type 'technicals' and would certainly be prepared to kill to prevent it.

 

My deepest consuming utter hatred and contempt is most definitely reserved for those who plant bombs in public places. 

Can't fight urban terrorists with one hand tied behind your back, the IRA should have been shot on sight, that's what they did, even to other Irish, including kids.

errrrrrrrm, oops, sorry.

18 hours ago, Social Media said:

However, coroner Mr Justice Michael Humphreys ruled that the use of lethal force "cannot have been reasonable," noting that there was no attempt to arrest the men, even after they were wounded. He stated that the soldiers would have known the IRA members would need to dismount the machine gun, which would have improved the possibility of an arrest. "The operation was not planned and controlled in such a way as to minimise to the greatest extent possible the need for recourse to lethal force," he said.  

The weapon appears to be a DSHK 12.7mm, normally used in a fire support or antiaircraft mode.  The weapon was welded to the back of the truck and was ready to use; it had been used in such a manner a short time earlier.  It is not something the terrorists would dismount and fire from the hip!  The effective range is 2,4 km and it is capable of penetrating 20 mm of armour up to 500 mtr away!  It would be the height of stupidity and tantamount to suicide to call for the terrorists to surrender as they had already shown they were willing and able to shoot at any target.  

The police force I worked in had regulations stating firearms could be used to protect yourself or any other person from death or serious bodily injury; that includes shooting before the bad guy pulls the trigger.  We could also use firearms to effect the arrest of any person who had committed a serious and violent crime and use of force was the only means to do so.  Both scenarios apply to the four terrorists who were in possession of a very powerful weapon that they had already used to attack a different location and were turning up to a new location for another go. 

That coroner is talking out of his.....'autopsy'!

Who cares?

 

All that effort fighting the English then they roll over for immigrants for fear of being called racist.

 

What a fate. 😀

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Who cares?

 

All that effort fighting the English then they roll over for immigrants for fear of being called racist.

 

What a fate. 😀

They weren’t fighting the English’ Jonny, they were fighting the British.

 

Scottish regiments in particular doing their part to disgrace any claims the British had of a ‘just cause’.

 

 

 

On 2/8/2025 at 3:11 AM, ukrules said:

This is an outrage. Every one of those terrorist <deleted>bags deserved to burn.

Yep, one wonders who would want to join the forces when such rulings are made...

 

Bibi please protect Tsahal from such idiots.

who cares about the judges ruling ? Those terrorists had superior weapon and armour(from the truck) and showed intent to kill. That they didnt get a shot off - is of SAS superior training and intel.Futhermore there were no more episodes  of powerful machine guns inside lorry's pointing at police stations.The soldiers followed their training.Their commanding officer is the only one who should be prosecuted if at all. I'd say he earned a medal.The british public will not accept this ruling.It will be overturned -any attempt to incarcerate those troops will be met with stiff opposition from the general public.Send the judge to the Ukrainian front line and ask him to arrest Russians .If he makes no attempt to arrest the russians - let him serve the time.

In my opinion if you're a terrorist every night when you go to sleep you should expect some soldier to attempt to sneak into your house undetected and cut your throat while you sleep.

I would find this completely acceptable and if I was in charge, there would be no terrorists, only cemeteries full of them.

 

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They weren’t fighting the English’ Jonny, they were fighting the British.

 

Scottish regiments in particular doing their part to disgrace any claims the British had of a ‘just cause’.

 

 

 

 

Showing your lack of knowledge again.

 

Stop pretending to be British and stick to what you know. SoCal Wokeism. 

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Showing your lack of knowledge again.

 

Stop pretending to be British and stick to what you know. SoCal Wokeism. 

Put it to the test.

 

Feel free to make corrections of anything I’ve said.

 

 

 

On 2/8/2025 at 3:06 AM, proton said:

Can't fight urban terrorists with one hand tied behind your back, the IRA should have been shot on sight, that's what they did, even to other Irish, including kids.

This is not how liberal democracies should be handling things. 

17 minutes ago, TedG said:

This is not how liberal democracies should be handling things. 

 

Exactly the type of limp wristed, weak minded attitude that allow terrorists to get the upper hand. 

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

In my opinion if you're a terrorist every night when you go to sleep you should expect some soldier to attempt to sneak into your house undetected and cut your throat while you sleep.

I would find this completely acceptable and if I was in charge, there would be no terrorists, only cemeteries full of them.

 

Unfortunately, Irish Republicans who regarded themselves as patriots had other ideas.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unfortunately, Irish Republicans who regarded themselves as patriots had other ideas.

 

Yeah, ideas are fine but sometimes they lead to actions and as we all know - actions have consequences.

If you raise a gun to a foreign army don't be surprised if they attack.

8 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

Yeah, ideas are fine but sometimes they lead to actions and as we all know - actions have consequences.

If you raise a gun to a foreign army don't be surprised if they attack.

Are you forgetting the British Army in Northern Ireland were not ‘foreign’?

 

Well at least that was the opinion of the British Government and the Unionists.

 

Putting armed troops on the streets was an action, it had consequences.

 

They weren’t good.

 

A lesson for our times for those who care to learn it.

The woke way things are going Keir and Rachel from accounts will be demanding payment for 496 wasted rounds 🤔